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I've been watching videos of Bhai Sewa Singh Tarmala, Bhai Simranjeet Singh and Bhai Dharamjit Singh, they constantly point out this concept of being able to leave body, it does make sense to me, I wanted to know if anyone has been able to experience this? Not just like out of body experience but being able to go to where we all go at night, remembering all the instructions given on how to play the game.

 

Regarding my experience and spiritual level, I've started recently after some awakening experiences.

I am able to be awake while my body has fallen asleep i.e body is almost paralysed, mind is awake, I do naam simran but do not know how to leave body, similar to described in this video 

 

Also am able to hear some shabads(similar to which has been described in some old posts) and possibly 1-2 times naad but not sure if that was it or just shabad only.

 

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These powers come, but to use them is insult to God's hukam.

Right now we have hukam to live in this body and perform our duties, seva to the world. It is wrong to leave this body lying as dead body and wonder around with just soul.

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1 hour ago, Guest Singh said:

These powers come, but to use them is insult to God's hukam.

Right now we have hukam to live in this body and perform our duties, seva to the world. It is wrong to leave this body lying as dead body and wonder around with just soul.

Brother Guest Singh,

The only hukum of God is purify yourself with the bhakti of Nam and return back into me.

For the rest of things we have a limited free will as long as also we do not incur in more karam.

Though it is also true, that unless one is blessed with deep true love for His lotus feet, thus wanting Him only at all times, people do have higher fantasies,  that only shows how weak and low one is, for leaving aside that one eternal and changeless highest Truth, we still have other desires... But brother that also as seen in the Bani, it is in no one's hands to want and love Him above all and everything, and at the same time by fulfilling our duties with our fellow beings.

SSA.

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7 hours ago, Guest far below this stage said:

heard and read a lot but far away from this stage, would love to know more about personal experiences

So I'm practicing daily, made early gains in terms of various experiences in meditation, even if one thinks they are far away I believe most just haven't tried it properly, so I'd recommend daily before sleep(or power nap) just trying to relax body(like really do it, little by little keep relaxing), dhyan state can only come from doing naam simran(breath + chanting) and listening to yourself(like minds ears, eventually some of the 5 shabads come here) otherwise there is no dhyan, beat the stage of thoughts, it maybe your breathing itself that might distract you, do it per breath with concentration and as you keep relaxing your body will fall asleep(it is astonishing and various Anand's can be felt which will feel unreal and amazing). Also I didn't read about this on the internet or from anyone this was an awakening experiences where I randomly meditated for 6+ hours(without simran, didn't know much about it) where I learnt that this was real and then saw 7-8 months later Bhai Simranjeet Singh talking about this as the right thing to do(a vidhi, technique), to me it is like Akaal Purakh waking me up from deep manmukh slumber, I was also able to sleep like 2 hours and wake up refreshed but eventually due to no naam simran I lost the avastha.

I've experienced and witnessed my own body fixing itself(rare times painful to watch it stitch parts damaged in gym), quite blissful experience overall and makes it easy to do naam simran even at night(and now understand how 8 pehar is actually possible but so hard and intense, only in deep true love will one do it like that).

 

4 hours ago, Guest Singh said:

These powers come, but to use them is insult to God's hukam.

Right now we have hukam to live in this body and perform our duties, seva to the world. It is wrong to leave this body lying as dead body and wonder around with just soul.

I'm sorry but I do not agree here, I'm not trying to get Riddhi, Siddhi here, from what I have understood what Bhai Sewa Singh has disclosed using only gurbani is that we daily leave our bodies(I'm sure everyone here knows about Dasam Dwaar), and we may even get instructions there, drink amrit(hence mind wakes up refreshed), even rehras can be looked at finding the path back to where our mind enters body every day. So if you daily leave your body and daily come back only issue here is bhakti is low so we forget or drown in thoughts. The path here is to do 8 pehar naam simran or however max and this itself will take the mind to the gate of dasam dwaar and eventually there is prakash, none of this is outside hukum and I'd even argue this is the best karam, to wait outside the dasam dwaar outside thoughts, vichaar(given by 5 thieves), dhyaan always at feet of waheguru doing naam simran until there is prakash. Humai is significantly reduced so you do not want Riddhi Siddhi, there is barely you, like water in milk your mind slowly instead of feeling like a point in our head feels like immersed in something and can't point where it is/you are.

I just haven't reached the prakash stage, real hukum according to me is to not forget what happened when your mind left and came back, what was the dhyan related experience of begumpura and not to go into random dreams by kaal(thanks to 5 thieves).

Of course I'm new to all this, 1-2 years max, been researching many religions(left atheism and to spirituality) until realized what Sikhi itself was actually talking about, all practical from my current understanding and love it.

 

3 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

Brother Guest Singh,

The only hukum of God is purify yourself with the bhakti of Nam and return back into me.

For the rest of things we have a limited free will as long as also we do not incur in more karam.

Though it is also true, that unless one is blessed with deep true love for His lotus feet, thus wanting Him only at all times, people do have higher fantasies,  that only shows how weak and low one is, for leaving aside that one eternal and changeless highest Truth, we still have other desires... But brother that also as seen in the Bani, it is in no one's hands to want and love Him above all and everything, and at the same time by fulfilling our duties with our fellow beings.

SSA.

Only bhakti, only purify mind, remove humai as that itself is false hood, agreed about deep love for lotus feet, I've not reached deep love state but I've been able to reach sehaj and do naam simran with some love as of now, I want the love to increase, even fear to be remembered. All that can and does happen is within Hukum and up to Waheguru.

 

4 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

Sometimes. When your soul has been cleaned with the simran and applying gurbani to your life, You can start having a lot of these experiences. You’re shown how to navigate the khel, perhaps for a time when you’ll need to. A lot of people have this who don’t do bhagti aswell. Which is why spiritual experiences like these are not always indicative of progress. However there are experiences which show and reassure you that you’re on the right path and to keep going. Also messages are given in your dreams and experiences like these sometimes. 
 

Blind faith, is the best type of faith. Then one doesn’t need these experiences. That’s when the real test begins. The astral and third world (earth) are projections, symbolic reflections of the Nothingness, where there is no color, form etc, the silence from which we are all derived. 
 

Don’t get caught up with experiences for Truth is beyond image, form, color, gender, caste, the material etc. 

Yes I agree with what you said, I do not want astral projection as well just to not get caught up in dreams of kaal, agreed about messages in dreams want to retain it more due to naam simran one is ever present and aware, to actually remember where the mind went while doing naam simran and if possible take it to the right path while doing bhagti not having desires for any supernatural or cool experience, no haumai, vichaar. Yes craving experiences is bad and I did learn it the hard way but listening to shabads during meditation did enhance my experience, my aim is to only follow Gurbani nothing else.

Thank you all for responding 🙏


Sat Sri Akal 

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6 hours ago, zereraz said:

So I'm practicing daily, made early gains in terms of various experiences in meditation, even if one thinks they are far away I believe most just haven't tried it properly, so I'd recommend daily before sleep(or power nap) just trying to relax body(like really do it, little by little keep relaxing), dhyan state can only come from doing naam simran(breath + chanting) and listening to yourself(like minds ears, eventually some of the 5 shabads come here) otherwise there is no dhyan, beat the stage of thoughts, it maybe your breathing itself that might distract you, do it per breath with concentration and as you keep relaxing your body will fall asleep(it is astonishing and various Anand's can be felt which will feel unreal and amazing). Also I didn't read about this on the internet or from anyone this was an awakening experiences where I randomly meditated for 6+ hours(without simran, didn't know much about it) where I learnt that this was real and then saw 7-8 months later Bhai Simranjeet Singh talking about this as the right thing to do(a vidhi, technique), to me it is like Akaal Purakh waking me up from deep manmukh slumber, I was also able to sleep like 2 hours and wake up refreshed but eventually due to no naam simran I lost the avastha.

I've experienced and witnessed my own body fixing itself(rare times painful to watch it stitch parts damaged in gym), quite blissful experience overall and makes it easy to do naam simran even at night(and now understand how 8 pehar is actually possible but so hard and intense, only in deep true love will one do it like that).

 

I'm sorry but I do not agree here, I'm not trying to get Riddhi, Siddhi here, from what I have understood what Bhai Sewa Singh has disclosed using only gurbani is that we daily leave our bodies(I'm sure everyone here knows about Dasam Dwaar), and we may even get instructions there, drink amrit(hence mind wakes up refreshed), even rehras can be looked at finding the path back to where our mind enters body every day. So if you daily leave your body and daily come back only issue here is bhakti is low so we forget or drown in thoughts. The path here is to do 8 pehar naam simran or however max and this itself will take the mind to the gate of dasam dwaar and eventually there is prakash, none of this is outside hukum and I'd even argue this is the best karam, to wait outside the dasam dwaar outside thoughts, vichaar(given by 5 thieves), dhyaan always at feet of waheguru doing naam simran until there is prakash. Humai is significantly reduced so you do not want Riddhi Siddhi, there is barely you, like water in milk your mind slowly instead of feeling like a point in our head feels like immersed in something and can't point where it is/you are.

I just haven't reached the prakash stage, real hukum according to me is to not forget what happened when your mind left and came back, what was the dhyan related experience of begumpura and not to go into random dreams by kaal(thanks to 5 thieves).

Of course I'm new to all this, 1-2 years max, been researching many religions(left atheism and to spirituality) until realized what Sikhi itself was actually talking about, all practical from my current understanding and love it.

 

Only bhakti, only purify mind, remove humai as that itself is false hood, agreed about deep love for lotus feet, I've not reached deep love state but I've been able to reach sehaj and do naam simran with some love as of now, I want the love to increase, even fear to be remembered. All that can and does happen is within Hukum and up to Waheguru.

 

Yes I agree with what you said, I do not want astral projection as well just to not get caught up in dreams of kaal, agreed about messages in dreams want to retain it more due to naam simran one is ever present and aware, to actually remember where the mind went while doing naam simran and if possible take it to the right path while doing bhagti not having desires for any supernatural or cool experience, no haumai, vichaar. Yes craving experiences is bad and I did learn it the hard way but listening to shabads during meditation did enhance my experience, my aim is to only follow Gurbani nothing else.

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Sat Sri Akal 

The thing is, that God gives us guidance in our dreams and waking life as visions, messages etc. So respect them. But I know a Brahmgyani who lived a few years in blind faith, and hasn’t fallen. Very rare as many of us use visions to believe and accept gyan. Blind faith is applying and practicing gurbani without the need for visions etc. It shows that true love isn’t dependent on anything, it’s just Love. You feel it, you don’t need to see it or be attached to an image for it. 
 

Someone on here had a good point in that, were here to experience Life living in the 3rd energy.. the astral realm is there when we die. The lessons we learn here can be so profound. On earth, you can realise that the realms, this world, are false. It is a dream and an illusion. We live a story. You realise there is Only Truth, which existed before image and will continue to exist. This is partly how you come to realise Oneness of all things and beings. To accept in humility, that there’s only Truth. There’s only True Love. You live your story, but you’re not attached to the highs and lows, realising it all to just be Him/ Truth. 

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2 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

The thing is, that God gives us guidance in our dreams and waking life as visions, messages etc. So respect them. But I know a Brahmgyani who lived a few years in blind faith, and hasn’t fallen. Very rare as many of us use visions to believe and accept gyan. Blind faith is applying and practicing gurbani without the need for visions etc. It shows that true love isn’t dependent on anything, it’s just Love. You feel it, you don’t need to see it or be attached to an image for it. 
 

Someone on here had a good point in that, were here to experience Life living in the 3rd energy.. the astral realm is there when we die. The lessons we learn here can be so profound. On earth, you can realise that the realms, this world, are false. It is a dream and an illusion. We live a story. You realise there is Only Truth, which existed before image and will continue to exist. This is partly how you come to realise Oneness of all things and beings. To accept in humility, that there’s only Truth. There’s only True Love. You live your story, but you’re not attached to the highs and lows, realising it all to just be Him/ Truth. 

I agree with blind faith, simply loving and doing naam simran is best and supreme but don't just assume I'm talking about simply dreaming and astral world.

I'm trying to follow Gurbani but using the interesting interpretation or khulasa done by Bhai Sewa Singh, I hear what he says, he quotes Bani and he is not talking about dreams and visions, that is all. 

There is only Truth, only Oneness, only Akal Purakh, yes all is within Hukum, high lows all him, even you writing and me writing all comes from+within+by Waheguru.

Many people with blind faith may have incorrect idea about Akal Purakh, when Gurus and Gursikhs were literally able to see him Hadra Hadoor(nirakar, not saying some image here), all around and do Bhakti there what is even blind faith when one can see, hear nothing but Waheguru and I do not believe Sikhi talks about just blind faith but talks about experiencing Waheguru while alive and get out of reincarnation(equivalent to merging with Akal Purakh), but I'm new to most of this so can be wrong. I do believe Sikhi is practical, experiential and not only does one know by "Gyaan" and bhakti that this is illusion but also experientially.

 

SSA

 

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6 hours ago, zereraz said:

I agree with blind faith, simply loving and doing naam simran is best and supreme but don't just assume I'm talking about simply dreaming and astral world.

I'm trying to follow Gurbani but using the interesting interpretation or khulasa done by Bhai Sewa Singh, I hear what he says, he quotes Bani and he is not talking about dreams and visions, that is all. 

There is only Truth, only Oneness, only Akal Purakh, yes all is within Hukum, high lows all him, even you writing and me writing all comes from+within+by Waheguru.

Many people with blind faith may have incorrect idea about Akal Purakh, when Gurus and Gursikhs were literally able to see him Hadra Hadoor(nirakar, not saying some image here), all around and do Bhakti there what is even blind faith when one can see, hear nothing but Waheguru and I do not believe Sikhi talks about just blind faith but talks about experiencing Waheguru while alive and get out of reincarnation(equivalent to merging with Akal Purakh), but I'm new to most of this so can be wrong. I do believe Sikhi is practical, experiential and not only does one know by "Gyaan" and bhakti that this is illusion but also experientially.

 

SSA

 

Yes, you can only experience it, and it’s beyond logic. Hence we apply the gyan and learn as we move on the never ending path. 

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19 hours ago, zereraz said:

So I'm practicing daily, made early gains in terms of various experiences in meditation, even if one thinks they are far away I believe most just haven't tried it properly, so I'd recommend daily before sleep(or power nap) just trying to relax body(like really do it, little by little keep relaxing), dhyan state can only come from doing naam simran(breath + chanting) and listening to yourself(like minds ears, eventually some of the 5 shabads come here) otherwise there is no dhyan, beat the stage of thoughts, it maybe your breathing itself that might distract you, do it per breath with concentration and as you keep relaxing your body will fall asleep(it is astonishing and various Anand's can be felt which will feel unreal and amazing). Also I didn't read about this on the internet or from anyone this was an awakening experiences where I randomly meditated for 6+ hours(without simran, didn't know much about it) where I learnt that this was real and then saw 7-8 months later Bhai Simranjeet Singh talking about this as the right thing to do(a vidhi, technique), to me it is like Akaal Purakh waking me up from deep manmukh slumber, I was also able to sleep like 2 hours and wake up refreshed but eventually due to no naam simran I lost the avastha.

I've experienced and witnessed my own body fixing itself(rare times painful to watch it stitch parts damaged in gym), quite blissful experience overall and makes it easy to do naam simran even at night(and now understand how 8 pehar is actually possible but so hard and intense, only in deep true love will one do it like that).

 

I'm new to all this, 1-2 years max, been researching many religions(left atheism and to spirituality) until realized what Sikhi itself was actually talking about, all practical from my current understanding and love it.

 

Only bhakti, only purify mind, remove humai as that itself is false hood, agreed about deep love for lotus feet, I've not reached deep love state but I've been able to reach sehaj and do naam simran with some love as of now, I want the love to increase, even fear to be remembered. All that can and does happen is within Hukum and up to Waheguru.

 

Sat Sri Akal 

zereraz Bro,

your post above is amazing, you have proven that with enthusiasm, determination and persistance , the highest of goals can be achieved, the thing is in doing it.

Well, I am very much glad for you, may Waheguru bless you and you go still further and farther, until merging in Him.

You see, when I said deep love for Him, i did not meant to understimate you in any way, but I meant wanting Hm alone above and before anything, that is it.

Do not worry nor be in a haste for any visible progress, but just pray to Him to guide you towards Him, and bless you stay in His bhaana at all times.

I have herad, that He is more eager to give Himself to us, than we wanting Him, so just trust Him, and remain as a kookar at His door with your love and devotion, without expecting anything, for He knows best what, when and whom to give, our main preocupation is to keep checking ourselves that we have not got derailed from the path of bhakti.

As it is said, if we believe He has the power to give, that it is also true, He also knows whta and when to give, it is only we have to remain receptive to His grace.

So, what is to remain receptive to His grace or kirpa?

It is in trying to please Him with that what He most likes.

So what is that He likes most?

As per Bani, it is to constantly remember Him through His simran,  apart from doing daily meditative practices of His simran.

You are right, Gurbani is a practical manual of instructions so to say, for efficiently loving Him and reuniting our surtees with Him.

Any praises of Gurbani are just limited and poor expressions, the beauty of Gurbani can only be felt, when we devoutly workout as per its pure and undiluted teachings,  as seen in the following verse

"JIN HAR JAPEEYA SE HAR HOEEYA"

Stay blessed.

SSA.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

zereraz Bro,

your post above is amazing, you have proven that with enthusiasm, determination and persistance , the highest of goals can be achieved, the thing is in doing it.

Well, I am very much glad for you, may Waheguru bless you and you go still further and farther, until merging in Him.

You see, when I said deep love for Him, i did not meant to understimate you in any way, but I meant wanting Hm alone above and before anything, that is it.

Do not worry nor be in a haste for any visible progress, but just pray to Him to guide you towards Him, and bless you stay in His bhaana at all times.

I have herad, that He is more eager to give Himself to us, than we wanting Him, so just trust Him, and remain as a kookar at His door with your love and devotion, without expecting anything, for He knows best what, when and whom to give, our main preocupation is to keep checking ourselves that we have not got derailed from the path of bhakti.

As it is said, if we believe He has the power to give, that it is also true, He also knows whta and when to give, it is only we have to remain receptive to His grace.

So, what is to remain receptive to His grace or kirpa?

It is in trying to please Him with that what He most likes.

So what is that He likes most?

As per Bani, it is to constantly remember Him through His simran,  apart from doing daily meditative practices of His simran.

You are right, Gurbani is a practical manual of instructions so to say, for efficiently loving Him and reuniting our surtees with Him.

Any praises of Gurbani are just limited and poor expressions, the beauty of Gurbani can only be felt, when we devoutly workout as per its pure and undiluted teachings,  as seen in the following verse

"JIN HAR JAPEEYA SE HAR HOEEYA"

Stay blessed.

SSA.

 

 

 

Thank you so much for the beautiful message filled with blessings, love and gyaan. You are absolutely correct in every line that you said. May we all keep getting more Naam daan.

You are exactly right about deep love, may it keep growing and we jaap naam with more and more love. As you said he is more eager, Bhai Gurdas Ji had these beautiful lines
 

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ਚਰਨ ਸਰਨ ਗੁਰੁ ਏਕ ਪੈਂਡਾ ਜਾਇ ਚਲ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੋਟਿ ਪੈਂਡਾ ਆਗੇ ਹੋਇ ਲੇਤ ਹੈ ॥
charan saran gur ek pai(n)ddaa jai chal satigur koT pai(n)ddaa aage hoi let hai ||
A disciple who walks one step towards Guru to take his refuge and goes to him with devotion and humility, Guru advances to receive him (devotee) by taking million steps.

 

Akal Sahai

 

5 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

@zereraz Veer ji dass is really happy and proud to have you as a fellow member on this great site for which i would like to welcome you.

 

Here is a thread dass made in connection to the thread you made

 

Thank you so much for welcoming me here on this great site and linking the thread, will go over all the gyaan. Will keep adding more info as I learn.

 

This forum helped me since past many months when I was beginning my practical journey, many of this Sangat's past posts helped me in the journey and will remain ever grateful.

Guru Ki Saji Nivaji Guru Khalsa Roop Pyaari Sadh Sangat Ji Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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10 hours ago, zereraz said:

Thank you so much for the beautiful message filled with blessings, love and gyaan. You are absolutely correct in every line that you said. May we all keep getting more Naam daan.

You are exactly right about deep love, may it keep growing and we jaap naam with more and more love. As you said he is more eager, Bhai Gurdas Ji had these beautiful lines
 

 

Akal Sahai

 

Thank you so much for welcoming me here on this great site and linking the thread, will go over all the gyaan. Will keep adding more info as I learn.

 

This forum helped me since past many months when I was beginning my practical journey, many of this Sangat's past posts helped me in the journey and will remain ever grateful.

Guru Ki Saji Nivaji Guru Khalsa Roop Pyaari Sadh Sangat Ji Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Dass is really happy to see you as a member on here as this website is like a second home for me. Dass is glad to share as there not many people who want to learn about simran and the stages linked with it. 

 

Its really good veer ji that this site helped build up your simran and concentration as its really hard to find the right sangat especially on the message boards like this site.

 

Dass will also liked to recommend a few books on bhagati and simran by Bhai Ragbir Singh Ji Bir such as Bandgi Nama they have written a lot about this subject.

 

Here is a few more links with good book lists

 

 

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16 hours ago, zereraz said:

For everyone interested if you can understand Punjabi, please watch this

some audio issues but this is truly the best!

 

Now I know how to leave body, I had incorrect understanding/assumption. I haven't left so far but I'll keep practicing daily now.

Step 1. comfortable position, start Waheguru simran, saas giraas(as described in this video as well), aim significantly reduce the thoughts to reach chautha padh(turiya), call out Waheguru with certain belief that he is right there, with you, even all is Waheguru, call out with love and some bairag(yearning, craving)

         2. If you can hear anhad shabad then start listening to it and full concentration, still hearing Waheguru with breath or in anhad shabad itself, if you can't hear anhad shabad go back to step 1, read more Gurbani, it will start eventually.
         3. After hearing anhad shabad for some time now, with actual concentration(reducing thoughts even further and settling down in sehad ghar, forehead, house of mind), there you may get amrit as needed, the anhad shabad should keep increasing in sound with more successful concentration and lack of thoughts(you have separated from wind, thoughts and if a thought or 2 comes its easier to let go and stay in the chautha padh)

         4. This is what was missing for me, your Waheguru should be going on inside now, so light, so subtle, body is very relaxed now, almost about to sleep, anhad shabad is quite loud, this is Naam, your aim is to take your concentration to like the sound, this is the marriage that Gurbani talks about, of Concentration(surti) with Dhun(sounds). Power of Naam is so much it is supposed to take you in(like entering sleep but you are barely awake, a bit of shock happens like electric shock). Now you have successfully left the body, it is not like astral projection, it is concentration entering sound world, marriage of mind's concentration to the anhad shabads(Waheguru's voice i.e Naam).

The other side is a game of Concentration and sounds. I shall update as my own experience reaches closer, I'm working on the Step 4, electric shock info came from my father who was able to do the last part once. But do watch the video all is step by step explained.

started just to see what has been posted, but it is very addictive and full of WAHEGURU love. 

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