Feeling Tingling And Nothingness when going into sunn

[Guest Samarbir Singh]

This morning when i was listening to katha of Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana at the end of the video he explained how to do simran correctly and slowly slowly i believe i went into sunn because i couldnt feel my body and had antargat simran going BUT i still thoughts coming in and i did about a hour simran during amritvela is that supose to be happening please let me know if this was sunn and if should do more simran during amritvela because i wake up at 3 and shower and begin my amritvela. Im am not Amritdari but are practicing to take amrit in 2 years.

[Sat1176]

Sunn is a state when there are no thoughts, just awareness exists very subtly. You will be numb almost like your just about to dose off. You won’t be able to even jap gurmantar at that time. Trying to maintain that state is very hard because you will most likely dose off and go into a sleep state known as sehaj.

[sevak]

These kind of states come and go. Try not to pay attention to them, dwell too much in them. Classic example is where a person gets attached to being in such states and then that bcomes reality of the bandagi. Rather focus only on the prem aspect of bhagti and forget the rest.

[seattlesingh]

Hey Sat1176, in your opinion what are we supposed to do after entering sunn? just sit in the void, try to listen to internal naad? 

[gsm52]

8 hours ago, sevak said:

Classic example is where a person gets attached to being in such states and then that bcomes reality of the bandagi. Rather focus only on the prem aspect of bhagti and forget the rest.

Sevak ji it will be great if you explain little more in simple way

Thank you

[sevak]

26 minutes ago, gsm52 said:

Sevak ji it will be great if you explain little more in simple way

Thank you

gsm52,  Myself I know very little about such things. But there can be an example like -- where one might have an experience of a mental state and find great pleasure, then the next time that person again tries only to reach and feel that same mental state, slowly and steadily the mental state becomes an attachment and not to soon the aspirant thinks that this is the Final End.

I see all mental states as illusions of the mind and deception of maya. For example, when you dive in water.. you slowly feel the water around your body and then as you keep diving deeper you start feeling the pressure of water around your body. But you never get attached to these feelings. Similarly during Naam Simran / MEDITATION a person will definitely feel different things and experience different things but those are not final end and those are not required to be paid attention. Just observe and let them go. The moment you put a label on them, then you are attaching yourself to it. 

The original poster --- sunn smaadh is a SUPER HIGH CONCENTRATED FOCUS of the mind. The mind is fine tuned and the focus so sharp its like a knife pushing onto a single point with infinite force. At such super high concentration all PERCEPTION OF TIME AND SPACE is lost. You will feel that Time itself was false. There is no past or future. When the mind is super high focus you begin to realize that even the breath is tied in with the mechanism of thinking. When fernay in the mind stop completely even the breath stops. Bodily functions begin to stop. I have had glimpses of these states several decades ago.  In order to reach such super high concentrations, you have to start splitting time. For example seconds to micro-seconds, to micro-micro-micro-seconds and the more splitting you keep doing the more focussed your mind gets, ultimately you will realize that when time stops even the breathing stops. With this I was finally able to reach the conclusion that the all bodily functions and body itself is a product of the thinking mind. 

The end result is that --- these are states, samadhis it does NOT really matter, unless and until you are able to implement in your day to day life. Again, these states are useless without the Love Prema Bhagti of God. How will a gulab jamun taste if I give it to you without adding sugar in it. In the someway mental states experienced through meditation w.o. prema bharti are fikka (bland taste). Ultimately, if you get tooo much attached and focussed on sitting in these states all the time, then you loose out on Guru Kirpa which is the final quest. Once you get Guru Kirpa (Gur parsaad as in Mool Mantar, that is the final goal to be strived for). These states can also be ego boasters. If I experience any state I just let it pass on. 

Please read kathas of Baba Nand Singh Sahib ji. Every time you notice that his focus was on simplicity, prema, respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. He did not dwell to much on the inner mechanism and workings of the mind. Similarly, if you read Gurbani the focus is always on prem and ustat of Waheguru all the time. Waheguru is bhukha of love and emotion. That is the food you need to give to Waheguru.  If you want to sit in Samadhi, that you can also sit and Waheguru dont care much about it either, there are Yogis sitting for 100s years in Samadhi. They practiced and perfected the art of focussing and concentrating the mind, but still they did not get Waheguru. 

 

[gsm52]

3 hours ago, seattlesingh said:

Hey Sat1176, in your opinion what are we supposed to do after entering sunn? just sit in the void, try to listen to internal naad? 

are we able to do any thing in this situation (entering sunn)? Because in this situation abhyaaasi will be out of Buddi Mandal, if he has a power of thinking and then he is not in sunn.

Please correct me if I wrongly interpreted the seattlesingh quarry

 

[sevak]

12 minutes ago, gsm52 said:

are we able to do any thing in this situation (entering sunn)? Because in this situation abhyaaasi will be out of Buddi Mandal, if he has a power of thinking and then he is not in sunn.

Please correct me if I wrongly interpreted the seattlesingh quarry

 

Please see my edited response above. 

[Sat1176]

All I can tell you is what my teacher said to me. If the state comes let it happen. All you can do is surrender. You will barely even be aware that it is happening. Only when your going in and out of that state do you some what realise that it is happening.

I’m not able to hold sunn state very long, as I find myself going into sehaj frequently. My teacher said I won’t be able to force sunn, so if I go into sehaj that is fine. In fact he said learn to go into this state faster and faster. If I can just go there by saying Waheguru once and boom your gone that should be the goal. Takes me much longer than that. Anything from 15 to 30 mins at the moment and that to if I lay down. If I’m sitting up it will probably take longer as relaxing is harder as legs feel the pain which keeps mind in the body.

If you can hear any kind of sehaj dhun at that time then latch on to it if you can.

I need to properly listen to this video but I think this bibi talks about sunn/sehaj.

 

[Mooorakh]

21 hours ago, sevak said:

gsm52, "> Myself I know very little about such things. But there can be an example like -- where one might have an experience of a mental state and find great pleasure, then the next time that person again tries only to reach and feel that same mental state, slowly and steadily the mental state becomes an attachment and not to soon the aspirant thinks that this is the Final End.

I see all mental states as illusions of the mind and deception of maya. For example, when you dive in water.. you slowly feel the water around your body and then as you keep diving deeper you start feeling the pressure of water around your body. But you never get attached to these feelings. Similarly during Naam Simran / MEDITATION a person will definitely feel different things and experience different things but those are not final end and those are not required to be paid attention. Just observe and let them go. The moment you put a label on them, then you are attaching yourself to it. 

The original poster --- sunn smaadh is a SUPER HIGH CONCENTRATED FOCUS of the mind. The mind is fine tuned and the focus so sharp its like a knife pushing onto a single point with infinite force. At such super high concentration all PERCEPTION OF TIME AND SPACE is lost. You will feel that Time itself was false. There is no past or future. When the mind is super high focus you begin to realize that even the breath is tied in with the mechanism of thinking. When fernay in the mind stop completely even the breath stops. Bodily functions begin to stop. I have had glimpses of these states several decades ago.  In order to reach such super high concentrations, you have to start splitting time. For example seconds to micro-seconds, to micro-micro-micro-seconds and the more splitting you keep doing the more focussed your mind gets, ultimately you will realize that when time stops even the breathing stops. With this I was finally able to reach the conclusion that the all bodily functions and body itself is a product of the thinking mind. 

The end result is that --- these are states, samadhis it does NOT really matter, unless and until you are able to implement in your day to day life. Again, these states are useless without the Love Prema Bhagti of God. How will a gulab jamun taste if I give it to you without adding sugar in it. In the someway mental states experienced through meditation w.o. prema bharti are fikka (bland taste). Ultimately, if you get tooo much attached and focussed on sitting in these states all the time, then you loose out on Guru Kirpa which is the final quest. Once you get Guru Kirpa (Gur parsaad as in Mool Mantar, that is the final goal to be strived for). These states can also be ego boasters. If I experience any state I just let it pass on. 

Please read kathas of Baba Nand Singh Sahib ji. Every time you notice that his focus was on simplicity, prema, respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. He did not dwell to much on the inner mechanism and workings of the mind. Similarly, if you read Gurbani the focus is always on prem and ustat of Waheguru all the time. Waheguru is bhukha of love and emotion. That is the food you need to give to Waheguru.  If you want to sit in Samadhi, that you can also sit and Waheguru dont care much about it either, there are Yogis sitting for 100s years in Samadhi. They practiced and perfected the art of focussing and concentrating the mind, but still they did not get Waheguru. 

 

Amazing! 

Very well explained. Thank you Worldly chores doesn't allow me to sit in Samaadhi for long and I always wondered will I hv to come back? Thank you. You made my day. I know my answer now. 

On 2/5/2021 at 2:57 AM, Guest Samarbir Singh said:

This morning when i was listening to katha of Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana at the end of the video he explained how to do simran correctly and slowly slowly i believe i went into sunn because i couldnt feel my body and had antargat simran going BUT i still thoughts coming in and i did about a hour simran during amritvela is that supose to be happening please let me know if this was sunn and if should do more simran during amritvela because i wake up at 3 and shower and begin my amritvela. Im am not Amritdari but are practicing to take amrit in 2 years.

That's a starting stage veerji.. way to go! You will get different experiences as you would learn to sit in sunn.. one day you may feel u r flying, other day you may be expanding or contracting or falling... Sometimes we feel a suction on the head.. I perceive all these are ways of HIM letting us know of his presence

[Samarbir Singh]

On 2/6/2021 at 12:00 PM, sevak said:

The end result is that --- these are states, samadhis it does NOT really matter, unless and until you are able to implement in your day to day life. Again, these states are useless without the Love Prema Bhagti of God. How will a gulab jamun taste if I give it to you without adding sugar in it. In the someway mental states experienced through meditation w.o. prema bharti are fikka (bland taste). Ultimately, if you get tooo much attached and focussed on sitting in these states all the time, then you loose out on Guru Kirpa which is the final quest. Once you get Guru Kirpa (Gur parsaad as in Mool Mantar, that is the final goal to be strived for). These states can also be ego boasters. If I experience any state I just let it pass on. 

 

So do you mean that i should listen to more kirtan and love god also with Guru Ji's kirpa i used to belif in guruji 100% and i dont why im starting to lose my faith in guru ji and believing in Waheguru 100% and i think because of this im not progressing because everyday in my personal hukamnamas i do ardaas to Waheguru and to Guru Gobind singh ji to tell how to live this this day and over over again Gur Amar Das Ji is saying without belief in the guru i am ruined and i know that Guru and God are one but i dont why im losing faith in guru. PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO LOVE MY GURU. Also i am beginner simran abyaissi so how should i jap because bhai simranjit singh tohana said atleast 4 hours waheguru simran is needed at first stage but im having trouble foucusing (to many thoughts) and going into sunn.

[sevak]

Here are some of the notes that I made on prema-bhakti, which I copied from the site srigurugranthsahib.org which is run by Guru Nanak Data Baksh leh mission. The notes have all your answers. Dont waste your time in reaching mental states such as sunn, nothingness, emptyness—- focussing on avasthas and mental states is not the goal. Look for the qualities that are pleasing to the Guru.

NOTES ON PREMA BHAKTI:

taken from srigurugranthsahib.org 

“Complete surrender is an essential pre-requisite, pre-condition to enter the arena of the spiritual field of Divine Love. And then opens the door, the entrance to the Supreme Mansion of the Beloved Satguru.

Father invariably proclaimed in every congregation that Sri Guru Granth Sahib was the Living Lord, that Sri Guru Nanak Sahib was realisable, attainable from within the Divine Body of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, that the blessed ones could perceive Him physically and commune with Him and that humility and Prema Bhagti was the essential pre-requisite to attain Him. Utter Humility and intense yearning and Love was his own direct and personal experience. Communion with the Supreme Lord Sri Guru Nanak Sahib can be established through Prema, through intense and earnest devotional love, through humility, through strong impulse of rock-like faith in Him, through His benign Grace and so on, but certainly not on the basis of dry intellectualism.“

Key points from above: 
Guru Nanak is attainable. Possible for ordinary persons. This is good news.

Pre-Requisite for prema-Bhakt:

Complete surrender
Utter Humility
Intense & Earnest devotional Love
Rock-Like Faith
Intense yearning

Be Authentic, admit your faults before the Guru. If you have no faith admit it.

[Samarbir Singh]

44 minutes ago, sevak said:

Here are some of the notes that I made on prema-bhakti, which I copied from the site srigurugranthsahib.org which is run by Guru Nanak Data Baksh leh mission. The notes have all your answers. Dont waste your time in reaching mental states such as sunn, nothingness, emptyness—- focussing on avasthas and mental states is not the goal. Look for the qualities that are pleasing to the Guru.

NOTES ON PREMA BHAKTI:

taken from srigurugranthsahib.org 

“Complete surrender is an essential pre-requisite, pre-condition to enter the arena of the spiritual field of Divine Love. And then opens the door, the entrance to the Supreme Mansion of the Beloved Satguru.

Father invariably proclaimed in every congregation that Sri Guru Granth Sahib was the Living Lord, that Sri Guru Nanak Sahib was realisable, attainable from within the Divine Body of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, that the blessed ones could perceive Him physically and commune with Him and that humility and Prema Bhagti was the essential pre-requisite to attain Him. Utter Humility and intense yearning and Love was his own direct and personal experience. Communion with the Supreme Lord Sri Guru Nanak Sahib can be established through Prema, through intense and earnest devotional love, through humility, through strong impulse of rock-like faith in Him, through His benign Grace and so on, but certainly not on the basis of dry intellectualism.“

Key points from above: 
Guru Nanak is attainable. Possible for ordinary persons. This is good news.

Pre-Requisite for prema-Bhakt:

Complete surrender
Utter Humility
Intense & Earnest devotional Love
Rock-Like Faith
Intense yearning

Be Authentic, admit your faults before the Guru. If you have no faith admit it.

Thank you much Gurmukh Piare Ji Guru Saroop ji

[Sat1176]

20 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:

So do you mean that i should listen to more kirtan and love god also with Guru Ji's kirpa i used to belif in guruji 100% and i dont why im starting to lose my faith in guru ji and believing in Waheguru 100% and i think because of this im not progressing because everyday in my personal hukamnamas i do ardaas to Waheguru and to Guru Gobind singh ji to tell how to live this this day and over over again Gur Amar Das Ji is saying without belief in the guru i am ruined and i know that Guru and God are one but i dont why im losing faith in guru. PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO LOVE MY GURU. Also i am beginner simran abyaissi so how should i jap because bhai simranjit singh tohana said atleast 4 hours waheguru simran is needed at first stage but im having trouble foucusing (to many thoughts) and going into sunn.

 

Not sure why your saying your loosing faith in SGGS. On the contrary your faith in your Guru should be increasing because your are learning about the hidden gems contained within Gurbani and how it is pointing you in the direction of Waheguru Nirankar.  If you want to do sargun bhagti of saroop of SGGS then that is slightly different to bhagti of nirgun nirankar which what Bhai Simranjeet Singh is teaching. Your getting yourself confused. That journey is more about following the instructions of Gurbani and trying to walk on the practical path for yourself and reaching the states gurbani talks about. Surely that is the ultimate goal right?

 

 

[Samarbir Singh]

2 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

 

Not sure why your saying your loosing faith in SGGS. On the contrary your faith in your Guru should be increasing because your are learning about the hidden gems contained within Gurbani and how it is pointing you in the direction of Waheguru Nirankar.  If you want to do sargun bhagti of saroop of SGGS then that is slightly different to bhagti of nirgun nirankar which what Bhai Simranjeet Singh is teaching. Your getting yourself confused. That journey is more about following the instructions of Gurbani and trying to walk on the practical path for yourself and reaching the states gurbani talks about. Surely that is the ultimate goal right?

 

 

Yes i want to be become 1 with Waheguru and fill this hole of seperation i feel. But i then i begin to worrying about going into suun and wait for anhad bani but i began to lose the love for guru and became to techinal i dont what to follow because i want to love my guru and experience him. I am trying to listen to Asa ki vaar and realised the anand of guru ji i was missing out on But according to you what do you think i should do. Will i get darshan of my beloved if i love him?

[Samarbir Singh]

3 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

 

Not sure why your saying your loosing faith in SGGS. On the contrary your faith in your Guru should be increasing because your are learning about the hidden gems contained within Gurbani and how it is pointing you in the direction of Waheguru Nirankar.  If you want to do sargun bhagti of saroop of SGGS then that is slightly different to bhagti of nirgun nirankar which what Bhai Simranjeet Singh is teaching. Your getting yourself confused. That journey is more about following the instructions of Gurbani and trying to walk on the practical path for yourself and reaching the states gurbani talks about. Surely that is the ultimate goal right?

 

 

Should i know the in and outs of akath katha (truth) and prema bakti or just do as Bhai simranjeet singh say "Practical". Or am i just confused and should do practical with love? Please explain, this moorak is lost...

[Sat1176]

50 minutes ago, Samarbir Singh said:

Should i know the in and outs of akath katha (truth) and prema bakti or just do as Bhai simranjeet singh say "Practical". Or am i just confused and should do practical with love? Please explain, this moorak is lost...

Do both and don't stress yourself. There will be days when you feel like doing one or the other, so just go with that. You need to enjoy the journey. This is a marathon not a sprint. Learning akath katha takes years of repeated listening till it all begins to make sense. However it will be just theory if you don't have practical to go with it, which will be of no use in the end.

How old are you veer if you don't mind me asking?

[Samarbir Singh]

29 minutes ago, Sat1176 said:

Do both and don't stress yourself. There will be days when you feel like doing one or the other, so just go with that. You need to enjoy the journey. This is a marathon not a sprint. Learning akath katha takes years of repeated listening till it all begins to make sense. However it will be just theory if you don't have practical to go with it, which will be of no use in the end.

How old are you veer if you don't mind me asking?

Im a 15 year old.

[Samarbir Singh]

Just now, Samarbir Singh said:

Im a 15 year old always kept hair on head and never cut my beard. Recently about 3 to 4 months ago began keeping all my kesh and wake up at 3 a.m everyday. My parents say you can do this once your older and free but i feel like thats cheating with Akaal Purkh and began having intense yearning for waheguru ji.

lol my beard is that of a 19/20 year old person most people say i dont look my age.

[sevak]

Watch this katha video. It explains what prema-bhakti is and how its done.

 

[Sat1176]

1 hour ago, Samarbir Singh said:

Im a 15 year old.

Waheguru. Your blessed if your already on the path at such a young age. 

[Samarbir Singh]

3 minutes ago, Sat1176 said:

Waheguru. Your blessed if your already on the path at such a young age. 

Gurmukh Ji blessed are those who have the darshan of Guru Ji I am nothing

[Samarbir Singh]

On 2/6/2021 at 1:43 PM, Sat1176 said:

All I can tell you is what my teacher said to me. If the state comes let it happen. All you can do is surrender. You will barely even be aware that it is happening. Only when your going in and out of that state do you some what realise that it is happening.

I’m not able to hold sunn state very long, as I find myself going into sehaj frequently. My teacher said I won’t be able to force sunn, so if I go into sehaj that is fine. In fact he said learn to go into this state faster and faster. If I can just go there by saying Waheguru once and boom your gone that should be the goal. Takes me much longer than that. Anything from 15 to 30 mins at the moment and that to if I lay down. If I’m sitting up it will probably take longer as relaxing is harder as legs feel the pain which keeps mind in the body.

If you can hear any kind of sehaj dhun at that time then latch on to it if you can.

I need to properly listen to this video but I think this bibi talks about sunn/sehaj.

 

Bibi Ji has lot of giaan but i am new to akath katha so if someone can explain what shes talking about. Whats the first stage of prema bhakti?

[SunnySingh]

On 2/10/2021 at 8:13 PM, Samarbir Singh said:

Gurmukh Ji blessed are those who have the darshan of Guru Ji I am nothing

Brother as usual, we fail to recognize His blessings, for from Him, we receive nothing but blessings, that also countless.

It is we who have closed our eyes and our petty hands, thus we say Guru Jee bless me with this or that ..... when the truth is whatever He had to give us, He has already given us, it is just a matter of realizing them, more than enough of them

For example, first of all we are blessed with a human form in this life, which is the highest of blessings which one can receive,  for it is an open door for more blessings to be received, and in this human life, we can get out from maya by holding His strong arm.

Then, He has given us 24 hours in a day, where we can purify ourselves by reciting His holy Name within our minds with no such boundaries of space and time. 

Safal is the gharee/moment, and safal is the place, when we remember Him.

Then, he has given us buddhi, to lead a truthfil life; He has given us a soul, so that we can love Him wholeheartedly....

Brother just think, what else do we need when He has already given us so much, for our spiritual realization/developement in order to atain  union with Him?

Being thankful to him at each step in life, is how we can realize how much blessed we are already.

[Samarbir Singh]

13 minutes ago, SunnySingh said:

Brother as usual, we fail to recognize His blessings, for from Him, we receive nothing but blessings, that also countless.

It is we who have closed our eyes and our petty hands, thus we say Guru Jee bless me with this or that ..... when the truth is whatever He had to give us, He has already given us, it is just a matter of realizing them, more than enough of them

For example, first of all we are blessed with a human form in this life, which is the highest of blessings which one can receive,  for it is an open door for more blessings to be received, and in this human life, we can get out from maya by holding His strong arm.

Then, He has given us 24 hours in a day, where we can purify ourselves by reciting His holy Name within our minds with no such boundaries of space and time. 

Safal is the gharee/moment, and safal is the place, when we remember Him.

Then, he has given us buddhi, to lead a truthfil life; He has given us a soul, so that we can love Him wholeheartedly....

Brother just think, what else do we need when He has already given us so much, for our spiritual realization/developement in order to atain  union with Him?

Being thankful to him at each step in life, is how we can realize how much blessed we are already.

True Gurmukh piarre ji