Will be doing 125,000 Mool Mantar Jaap

[paapiman]

On 3/31/2021 at 1:21 PM, Jageera said:

What time you usually sit for Jaap? You do it in the dark or with light on?

JFYI (you might already know this), but some Jaaps have a recommended time period.

Most likely, Sri Mool mantar, Sri Gurmantar, Sri Sukhmani Sahib, etc, can be recited anytime.

Morning Nitnem must not be done after sunset.

Sri Rehraas Sahib must not be done in the morning.

There are more examples.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

2 hours ago, sevak said:

I dont have much experience to share, but was listening to Bhai Vir Singh ji's tape in which he said japan should be done through out day and sometimes same jaap can get boring, can make a sikh egoistic, can create monotonous boredom. In this case he advised to do altering jaaps of gurbani tuks to keep the mind engaged and keep the bhav going. 

Best of Luck

Baba Vir Singh jee has a great point, but you need to remember bro that one has to stick to one Jaap for a very long time period, in order to start feeling/realizing its powers.

Let's look at an example. Suppose, you are digging a well. Now, the water is at 20 ft, below the surface, but you don't know that. You start digging at one spot. You dig for 10 ft and then stop, as you suspect that you may have chosen the wrong spot. Then, you move to a different spot. You dig there for 15 ft and then again stop, as you suspect again that you don't have the right spot. Therefore, you switch the spot again and start digging over there. If you keeping doing this again and again, you will never ever be able to reach the water.

Similarly, if a person keeps switching Jaaps, he/she might be engaging in something similar to the example (of the well) above.

Gyani Thakur Singh jee gave a similar analogy to the above, in his katha.

That's why it is always great to meet a Gurmukh Brahamgyani and then practice Gurbani Mantar Sidhi under his/her guidance.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[sevak]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Baba Vir Singh jee has a great point, but you need to remember bro that one has to stick to one Jaap for a very long time period, in order to start feeling/realizing its powers.

Let's look at an example. Suppose, you are digging a well. Now, the water is at 20 ft, below the surface, but you don't know that. You start digging at one spot. You dig for 10 ft and then stop, as you suspect that you may have chosen the wrong spot. Then, you move to a different spot. You dig there for 15 ft and then again stop, as you suspect again that you don't have the right spot. Therefore, you switch the spot again and start digging over there. If you keeping doing this again and again, you will never ever be able to reach the water.

Similarly, if a person keeps switching Jaaps, he/she might be engaging in something similar to the example (of the well) above.

Gyani Thakur Singh jee gave a similar analogy to the above, in his katha.

That's why it is always great to meet a Gurmukh Brahamgyani and then practice Gurbani Mantar Sidhi under his/her guidance.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Isn't Gurbani, Gurmantar, Mool Mantar all the same? Thanks for the reply. I will definitely look into this. 

[paapiman]

3 hours ago, sevak said:

Isn't Gurbani, Gurmantar, Mool Mantar all the same? Thanks for the reply. I will definitely look into this. 

What do you mean bro?

Sri Gurmantar and Sri Mool Mantar are also Gurbani.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sajjan_Thug]

11 hours ago, paapiman said:

Bro, do you listen to Sri Mool Mantar, while you are sleeping, eating, etc?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Waheguru Ji

If you mean listen using a mp3 player or audio, no dass doesn't do that as that will become a distraction.  You might be listening to a audio jaap but the mind will still be thinking and you might be under the illusion that you are accomplishing your goal.  The mind has to do the jaap with intention and listen without anyother interference.

Dass only try's to listen to own voice internally or externally while sleeping, eating, or doing any other activities.  It's easy with some activities, hard with others.  It's all a play of dhyan/attention. The more you do the jaap and sadhana the easier it is.

Waheguru Waheguru

[paapiman]

23 minutes ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Waheguru Ji

If you mean listen using a mp3 player or audio, no dass doesn't do that as that will become a distraction.  You might be listening to a audio jaap but the mind will still be thinking and you might be under the illusion that you are accomplishing your goal.  The mind has to do the jaap with intention and listen without anyother interference.

Dass only try's to listen to own voice internally or externally while sleeping, eating, or doing any other activities.  It's easy with some activities, hard with others.  It's all a play of dhyan/attention. The more you do the jaap and sadhana the easier it is.

Waheguru Waheguru

wjkk wjkf

Please do listen to the audio clip below. While you are sleeping, it would be a good idea for you to keep listening to the Jaap of Sri Mool Mantar (as you have chosen this mantar for recitations). It might help in implanting the Sri Mool Mantar into your subconscious mind.

Also, remember that vices and negative thoughts/emotions can possibly attack you, while you are sleeping (vulnerable state). The Jaap on an audio player might help with that too.

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Waheguru Ji

If you mean listen using a mp3 player or audio, no dass doesn't do that as that will become a distraction.  You might be listening to a audio jaap but the mind will still be thinking and you might be under the illusion that you are accomplishing your goal.  The mind has to do the jaap with intention and listen without anyother interference.

Dass only try's to listen to own voice internally or externally while sleeping, eating, or doing any other activities.  It's easy with some activities, hard with others.  It's all a play of dhyan/attention. The more you do the jaap and sadhana the easier it is.

Waheguru Waheguru

Also, please have a look at the topic below too.

 

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sajjan_Thug]

Waheguru Ji

Week 5 update

Day 29-520 Jaaps
Day 30-550 Jaaps
Day 31-460 Jaaps
Day 32-590 Jaaps
Day 33-580 Jaaps
Day 34-470 Jaaps
Day 35-390 Jaaps

Total completed this week 3,560

Total completed since started 21,493

103,507 left till 125,000

Sangat Ji please share your experience while doing Simran or any other Jaap to encourage the Sangat members, so they can start Naam Simran.

 

[Ragmaala]

Moolmantra Jaap completed for month of march, 30x6x108= 19,440. 
Month of April started . I shy away from posting because often I face obstacles in some way afterwards. Maybe just my bharam. Hopefully , others join in too.

[sevak]

I also shy away from posting, bcoz if u share ur experience you loose that kamai. It could be my braham. 

[sevak]

 

"Its all about technique. If you use the right technique you can get the treasure of naam."

Once Baba Harnam Singh Jee (Rampur Khera) was walking through the village and came across a farm worker who had recently taken Amrit. Baba jee asked how much Bani he recited. The singh replied that he was uneducated and unable to read so he did 11 malas of mool mantar daily. Baba jee enquired further and said “but out of the 11 malas that you do how many mool mantars do you actually listen too?” the singh replied that he did not understand so baba jee asked him to sit with him while he explained. They said that until you have heard the Bani with your ears you will not achieve much. suniyee saat santokh gyaan.  Baba jee said that he continues to recite mool mantar as he has been – without listening to it or contemplating on it then you could continue for 100 years and nothing will come out of it. Now instead, listening with your ears and make sure your mann has heard. Recite slowly and check that you have heard and understood each syllable." ----> https://kathanotes.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/sukhmani-sahib-part-22/

 

Wondering what jug or how you are japing? Are you concentrating fully on the jaap. Are you contemplating each syllable as you jaap through it or do you repeat at super fast speed? 

I feel if I have to do as per Baba Harnam Singh Ji's instruction, 6 malas would take me forever as I would just remain stuck over Ek-Ongkaar for many seconds. 

Here is Sant Ishar Singh ji Rara Sahib wale doing jaap : 

 

 

Note the speed. 

[Sat1176]

2 hours ago, sevak said:

 

"Its all about technique. If you use the right technique you can get the treasure of naam."

Once Baba Harnam Singh Jee (Rampur Khera) was walking through the village and came across a farm worker who had recently taken Amrit. Baba jee asked how much Bani he recited. The singh replied that he was uneducated and unable to read so he did 11 malas of mool mantar daily. Baba jee enquired further and said “but out of the 11 malas that you do how many mool mantars do you actually listen too?” the singh replied that he did not understand so baba jee asked him to sit with him while he explained. They said that until you have heard the Bani with your ears you will not achieve much. suniyee saat santokh gyaan.  Baba jee said that he continues to recite mool mantar as he has been – without listening to it or contemplating on it then you could continue for 100 years and nothing will come out of it. Now instead, listening with your ears and make sure your mann has heard. Recite slowly and check that you have heard and understood each syllable." ----> https://kathanotes.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/sukhmani-sahib-part-22/

 

Wondering what jug or how you are japing? Are you concentrating fully on the jaap. Are you contemplating each syllable as you jaap through it or do you repeat at super fast speed? 

I feel if I have to do as per Baba Harnam Singh Ji's instruction, 6 malas would take me forever as I would just remain stuck over Ek-Ongkaar for many seconds. 

Here is Sant Ishar Singh ji Rara Sahib wale doing jaap : 

 

 

Note the speed. 

This post just hit the nail on the head. When beginners start the jaaps all the emphasis is put on the number of repetitions and we believe that if your repeat x number then it will bare fruits. We have discussed this concept of dhun Mei dhyan in a number of threads especially the meditation experiences thread. 
 

Yes you will definitely gain benefit of learning to devote x amount of time to jaaps but was it done with full dhyan and concentration? Probably not because your trying to race to the finish line and just be done with it. We have all made this mistake when we didn’t know any better. The dhun mai dhyan is so simple yet so hard to achieve for many. If a jaap is done with so much dhyan you may notice yourself going into sehaj / sleep.

[sevak]

1 hour ago, Sat1176 said:

If a jaap is done with so much dhyan you may notice yourself going into sehaj / sleep.

Thanks Sat1176. 

I get the picture when u say “dhun mein dhyaan”.  

[paapiman]

8 hours ago, sevak said:

I feel if I have to do as per Baba Harnam Singh Ji's instruction, 6 malas would take me forever as I would just remain stuck over Ek-Ongkaar for many seconds. 

wjkk wjkf

IMHO, it is better to do 1 or 2 malas with full concentration, love, devotion, knowledge, etc, than do 6 or 8 malas without any focus, love, etc.

You can also choose a smaller Mantar, if you think you might be able to focus on that better. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Ragmaala]

So I had this conundrum for a long time. Reciting it loud, and fully listening to it.  So I experimented to see how much time it takes me. My goal was to atleast follow the bachan of finishing atleast 1 sehaj path equivalent per month. So first I started to do 80 malas Gurmantra Antarghat/day. That took me approximately 1hr and 40 mins. Then I tried to do by chanting and listening to it. That would take me around ~ 4 hrs which was not possible to take out that much time. Then I switched to Moolmantra 6 mala/day. If I do it Antarghat it takes around 1 hr and if I chant it loud it will take 30 mins/mala. 

So what helps me is finishing 6 malas moolmantar antarghat in about 1 hr. This gives me a sense of completion and mind feels satisfied. And then whatever extra time I have left, I listen to Waheguru Gurmantra and chant it slowly Waaaaaaahe Guroooooo or listen to Moolmantra. This time the focus is on just listening, and not on repetitions. This is what has worked for me.  

Whenever my mind feels dull whether reading Gurbani or Moolmantar antarghat, I start chanting loud in a high note and that infuses a new sense of Freshness. But yes, my goal would be to spend more and more time chanting loud and listening to it. ... Dhun me Dhyan... 

 

[sevak]

15 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

If a jaap is done with so much dhyan you may notice yourself going into sehaj / sleep.

I think this is what might be happenning to me, maybe @paapiman or @ragmaala can advise.

If I do mool mantar with full dhyaan, focus, love & not concern myself with finishing it. Here is what happens :

Say “Ikongkaar” in antargat ... mind gets “ras”....”waheguru presence” - hajoori feeling and mind enters a trance like state.... after sometime then move onto “satnaam”.... sometimes the same phrase gets in repetition mode “satnaam satnaam satnaam”  basically the mind tries to hold onto the last syllabe as long as possible and sometimes in between a feeling of “awe” triggers & “waheguru jaap” start by itself. So this basically happening after 4-5 month of 6 mala practice with a few days missed here and there. 

If I chant loud. I get the dhun mein dhyaan and “Waheguru presence” feel in the mantar. Chanting becomes silent after 1st mala and mantar goes on in mind at a point in the head. Able to finish 6 malas in 1 hour 40 mins. I use a 108 mala and figured that if I dont use a mala at all. I can concentrate better, bcoz part of the attention goes into untangling the mala and moving the bead as the mala gets caught in knots here and there. 
 

Overall been doing 6 malas on an average for 4-5 months. There have been rough periods.
 

Kal Yug does get stronger and tries to de-rail you. Certain issues made me miss my amrit velas, but then caught up on it. Kaam does gets stronger. I experienced some flashes of dark entities in my vision too with angry faces, who looked beat up and were mad at me. Then noticed there was a trend of the mind to start thinking mundane and routine things related to career, job, finances only and only during amrit velas. This all goes to show that kal yug tries to pull u back.

Like @ragmaala I also aim to do one sehaj path a month as per Baba Ji’s bachan. I think I might end up doing what you are doing, chant it out loud and spend the rest time on Gurmantar. 

[Guest ragamala]

@sevak eventually the goal is to get rid of mala and get absorbed into the mantar/dhun... if mala is a distraction, dont use it, just focus on time listening and getting absorbed. end goal of all is to get absorbed into jaap instead of rushing.  if you can get 2.5 + hrs of getting absorbed, imo you will not need to count...

mala and counting is for beginners like me

[paapiman]

40 minutes ago, sevak said:

Say “Ikongkaar” in antargat ... mind gets “ras”....”waheguru presence” - hajoori feeling and mind enters a trance like state.... after sometime then move onto “satnaam”.... sometimes the same phrase gets in repetition mode “satnaam satnaam satnaam”  basically the mind tries to hold onto the last syllabe as long as possible and sometimes in between a feeling of “awe” triggers & “waheguru jaap” start by itself. So this basically happening after 4-5 month of 6 mala practice with a few days missed here and there. 

It is possible bro that you have reached a stage, where you do not need to worry about counting. Just keep enjoying the trance like states, which you have experienced.

Leave the Mala (as said above), if it is becoming a distraction for you.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[sevak]

40 minutes ago, paapiman said:

It is possible bro that you have reached a stage, where you do not need to worry about counting. Just keep enjoying the trance like states, which you have experienced

Leave the Mala (as said above), if it is becoming a distraction for you.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Actually, the trance states are intermittent, they dont last long enough... come and go sort of and please dont say “reached a stage”. I dont believe in stages and Im in the beginning stage. I have 5 doots (Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh & Ahinkaar) ALL inside me.
 

The mala I still want to do as I want to keep with Baba Ji’s bachan of 1 Sehaj path a month.

[sevak]

58 minutes ago, Guest ragamala said:

@sevak eventually the goal is to get rid of mala and get absorbed into the mantar/dhun... if mala is a distraction, dont use it, just focus on time listening and getting absorbed. end goal of all is to get absorbed into jaap instead of rushing.  if you can get 2.5 + hrs of getting absorbed, imo you will not need to count...

mala and counting is for beginners like me ">

As per Baba Jis bachan I need to get 1 sehaj path a month. So I will keep the mala. Yes its become a distraction, keep track and movement of beads and Im a beginner too in this.

[WaheguruDaGulam]

I learned a interesting fact from my ustadji for santhya, If you paka your santhya 25 times it equals some sehaj paths I can't remember right now the exact number but its pretty cool.

[WaheguruDaGulam]

Everytime I do jaap of mool mantar or gurmantar and close my eyes why do I feel like I am being watched or I am seriously paranoid.

[WaheguruDaGulam]

Or I brought back the ghost with me while on this ghost hunt thing lol. akaal..

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, WaheguruDaGulam said:

Everytime I do jaap of mool mantar or gurmantar and close my eyes why do I feel like I am being watched or I am seriously paranoid.

wjkk wjkf

Do you get that feeling any other time?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[sevak]

1 hour ago, WaheguruDaGulam said:

Everytime I do jaap of mool mantar or gurmantar and close my eyes why do I feel like I am being watched or I am seriously paranoid.

This use to happen me. The awareness increases many many folds. It can also be kalyug -if negative feelings. Overtime for me it resolved on its own. Put more concentration on the mantar. Dont allow the mind to waiver outside the mantar. Also, keep a jot On.