Will be doing 125,000 Mool Mantar Jaap

[Soulfinder]

@Kaur1510well done bhen ji and may waheguru keep doing kirpa on yoi.

[Jageera]

7 hours ago, Kaur1510 said:

Started but struggling to do at fixed time. Taking about 30 mins for one 108 mala of Mool Mantar, doing about 2 malas daily. Getting better in crossed leg position and focusing in between the eye brows. Feeling focused in dark,  so I close the blinds or use thick shawl to cover my head and eyes if seeing the light.  

If i am doing it very slowly by listening with ears and translating the meaning in my brain or heart then i get lost in my thoughts.  May be because it is the beginning!  

If I am doing it faster in my mind,  then it helps me to concentrate and i could go on autopilot for naam jaap for an hour. It is giving me good feeling even though i am not translating its meanings. I am doing jaap mostly at one place and I feel my body goes in jaap mode when I sit there with my mala. 

Next step is to set up a place on floor with cushion to sit on,  facing east charda paasa and having little water next to me. 

I was doing mool mantar in the shower too, but couldn't do on the day I shaved my hair. I was feeling guilty and thinking I must start wearing full sleeves like Muslim girls.  

Repeated actions build up habit and doing mool mantar repeatedly would be the only way to go ahead on my spiritual journey.  

 

Keep it up! Autopilot experience is awesome. Any feeling on the top of your head, like someone is pulling you up with a hook in the top of the head?

[sevak]

7 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

 Please do share your experiences

The only experience after all this jaap, was that my jaap-ing is nothing more than a dog bark in front of His door. I am nothing more than a beggar with torn clothes doing all this jaap. 

Any experience is / was due to His mercy - kindness on the beggar & definitely NOT due to repeating malas and recitations.
 

You ALL are blessed, fortunate, and have immense kirpa that you ALL are doing these jaaps.

“Sey Simreh Jin Aap Simrahiye

Nanak, Taa kay lago paiye”

[Kaur10]

On 6/5/2021 at 8:08 PM, Jageera said:

Keep it up! Autopilot experience is awesome. Any feeling on the top of your head, like someone is pulling you up with a hook in the top of the head?

agree, it is awsm feeling. It does stop mind wandering off for sure. 

I started keeping my head covered at home too. I do love WAHEGURU and now pushing towards mool mantar simran. I am japping while doing chores, driving, gardening etc with head covered or uncovered (at work).  Whenever I remember then it continues from there. 

[paapiman]

On 6/5/2021 at 7:31 AM, Kaur1510 said:

I couldn't do jaap on the day I shaved my arms,  feeling guilty and thinking I must start wearing full sleeves like Muslim girls.  

Aren't you a non-Amritdhari sis?

If yes, then why were you so worried about it?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Kaur10]

Yes, I am non-Amritdhari Sikh.

I started doing mool mantar in shower too, but couldn't do jaap while shaving. 

It was guilty feeling. 

[paapiman]

52 minutes ago, Kaur1510 said:

Yes, I am non-Amritdhari Sikh.

I started doing mool mantar in shower too, but couldn't do jaap while shaving. 

It was guilty feeling. 

IMHO, don't worry too much about outer Rehat, as you are non-Amritdhari.

Please keep focusing on Naam/Gurbani Simran as much as you can. Along with that, keep fighting the 10 vices, 5 Kaleshs, etc.

But, please do remember sis that consuming Khande da Amrit is mandatory for people born in Sikh families, in order for you to have a chance at salvation. You probably already know that.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Trimandeep Singh]

15 hours ago, paapiman said:

Aren't you a non-Amritdhari sis?

If yes, then why were you so worried about it?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Shaving hairs is a universal Paap because it means violating the hukam of the creator.

Noone should alter the appearance given by the creator to us. Changing our appearance means an insult to Vaheguru that he didn't make us perfect and it is because of 'my' effort that I look 'better' now.

Hindus, Muslims, Christians should not cut hairs from any part of their body because even their prophets/isht  (33 crore devte, Prophet Muhammad, Jesus Christ) didn't cut their hairs. Unshorn hairs are not exclusive to Sikhi. Hindus,Muslims and Christians can keep unshorn hair while remaining faithful to their religions.

Trimandeep Singh 

[Trimandeep Singh]

16 hours ago, Kaur1510 said:

Yes, I am non-Amritdhari Sikh.

I started doing mool mantar in shower too, but couldn't do jaap while shaving. 

It was guilty feeling. 

Bhenji, I would say don't feel discouraged. Even this guilty feeling is the kirpa of guru sahib!

Many amritdharis engage in Manmati kalyugi things and instead of accepting their mistakes, blame other gursikhs who sincerely follow the hukams of guru sahib.

Try to read saakhis of Soorbir Sikh Bibiyaan who smacked the faces of those evil Mughals who underestimated the power of women. Or you can do jaap of kes related hukams from Rehatnamey.

 

Edit: Here are some panktis from Bhai Desa Singh Ji's Rehatnama

 

ਕੇਸਨ ਧੂਪ ਦੇਇ ਸੁਚ ਪਾਵਨ ॥
Dry your hair in the sun, keep them clean and pure;

ਹੈ ਇਹ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਮੋਹਰ ਸੁਹਾਵਨ ॥੬੯॥
For this is the beautiful seal of the Guru.

 

ਤਨ ਇਸ ਕੇ ਸਿਰ ਕੇਸ ਜ ਦੀਨੋ ॥ 
Upon the head this body hair was given; 

ਸੋ ਇਹ ਤਨ ਸਿੰਗਾਰਹਿ ਕੀਨੋ ॥੭੯॥
Which was an adornment on his body.

ਦਾੜ੍ਹਾ ਮੁਛ ਸਿਰ ਕੇਸ ਬਨਾਈ ॥
The beard, mustache, and hair upon the head was fashioned ; upon him;

ਹੈ ਇਹ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹ ਜਿਹ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਰਜ਼ਾਈ ॥ 
This was firmly will of God.

ਮੇਟ ਰਜ਼ਾਇ ਜੁ ਸੀਸ ਮੁੰਡਾਵੈ ॥ 
One who erases this will by shaving his head;

ਕਹੁ ਤੇ ਜਗ ਕੈਸੇ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੮੦॥ 
Tell me, how will he find God in this world?

ਪਾਂਖਹੁ ਬਿਨ ਬਿਹੰਗ ਜਿਮ ਹੋਹੀ ॥

Like a bird without its wings,

ਊਰਬ ਬਿਨਾ ਭੇਡ ਜਿਮ ਕੋਈ ॥
Like a sheep without it's wool;

ਬਸਨ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਨਾਰੀ ਹੈ ਜੈਸੇ ॥ 
Like a woman without her clothes;

ਕੇਸਨ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੋਇ ਨਰ ਤੈਸੇ ॥੮੧॥ 
Such is a man without his Kes.

ਕੇਸਨ ਨਰ ਧਾਰੇ ਹੈ ਜਬਹੀ ॥ 
When man retains his Kes;

ਪੂਰਨ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਹੈ ਤਬਹੀ ॥ 
Only then he is in his complete and perfect form.

ਕੇਸ ਏਕ ਪੁਨ ਰਹਤ ਜੁ ਪਾਈ ॥ 
The Kes is one virtuous Rehit to have.

ਤਾਂ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਕਹੀ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੮੨॥
It's entire glory cannot be described.

ਬੇਦ ਰਹਤ ਜਿਮ ਦਿਜ ਨ ਸੁਹਾਵਤ ॥
As Without the Vedas the dij (twice-born) is not exalted; 

ਸੀਲ ਰਹਤ ਕੁਲ ਨਾਰਿ ਨ ਭਾਵਤ ॥
As without gentleness a woman is disliked by her children;

ਬੇਗ ਰਹਤ ਜਿਮ ਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਹੀਨ ॥
As without swiftness a horse is useless;

ਰਹਤ ਬਿਨਾ ਇਹ ਕੇਸ ਮਲੀਨ ॥੮੩॥
In the same way, the Kes are defiled without the Rehit.
 

Trimandeep Singh 

[Kaur10]

16 hours ago, paapiman said:

IMHO, don't worry too much about outer Rehat, as you are non-Amritdhari.

Please keep focusing on Naam/Gurbani Simran as much as you can. Along with that, keep fighting the 10 vices, 5 Kaleshs, etc.

But, please do remember sis that consuming Khande da Amrit is mandatory for people born in Sikh families, in order for you to have a chance at salvation. You probably already know that.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes, i know Amrit is must for a Sikh. Let's see where my heart goes after 6 months of reciting mool mantar. 

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Trimandeep Singh said:

Shaving hairs is a universal Paap because it means violating the hukam of the creator.

Noone should alter the appearance given by the creator to us. Changing our appearance means an insult to Vaheguru that he didn't make us perfect and it is because of 'my' effort that I look 'better' now.

Isn't there a Rehtanama which says that Sehajdharis Sikhs can cut their hair?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Kaur10]

@Trimandeep Singh thank you very much for the panktis from gurbani. 

I do think what if I got cancer and lose my hair during chemo,  would that be good? What if I were involved in a car accident and got my face deformed as a result? What if I would have a major family problem and so on...

As @paapiman bro has advised, at this current time I would focus on fighting other vices. Reciting mool mantar has turned  evils into saadhu, it would definitely take me somewhere.

My experiment of mool mantar is going well.  Feeling calmer than before, bit detached from friends.  

[Kaur10]

6 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Isn't there a Rehtanama which says that Sehajdharis Sikhs can cut their hair?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Not sure.  I would search in the evening.  

 

[Trimandeep Singh]

10 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Isn't there a Rehtanama which says that Sehajdharis Sikhs can cut their hair?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

It's Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji's rehatnaama which contains a lot of adulteration.

It also says serve Langar more to Sikhs of Brahman caste. It also says one who gets a female of his household get Amrit is a tankhaiya. So, I mean to say it was may be altered by some false Sikhs who followed Brahman caste system.

Also, on this sehajdhaari SIKH topic, I have come across multiple opinions. Currently, my belief is that anyone who cuts hair cannot call himself a SIKH.

From my meagre understanding, a Sehajdhaari Sikh is someone who wants to become a devoted Amritdhari Sikh. He/she is trying to keep Rehat and follow Gurbani but sometimes, under the influence of Maaya commits bajjar paaps. They demand more time (sehej) to follow the teachings of Gurbani. Means, slowly slowly, with time, they are coming towards the path of spirituality.

Bhul chuk maaf

Trimandeep Singh 

[Trimandeep Singh]

27 minutes ago, Kaur1510 said:

I do think what if I got cancer and lose my hair during chemo,  would that be good? What if I were involved in a car accident and got my face deformed as a result? What if I would have a major family problem and so on...

Family opinions don't matter because if they are your boss, then Vaheguru is the Founder. (in the context of a business company) Do ardaas to Guru Sahib to give Bibek Budhi to family members who are unintentionally acting as a hindrance in your spiritual journey.

Car accidents and cancer are a concern. Mostly, I have heard that gursikhs don't think it is bad to get hair cut when it comes to your life. But there have also been cases when Sikhs didn't cut their hairs even when it meant losing their lives.

Endless examples from puraatan times and during evil period of Mughal Raj.

A modern example- Sant Kartar Singh Ji Khalsa mukhi of Damdami Taksaal. He was severely injured in a car accident. The doctors said he could be saved if he would allow shaving hairs on his chest to proceed for a surgery. He didn't allow this and happily accepted death and went for Sachkhand.

Another modern example of a Sikh Freedom Fighter during British Rule in India. When Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji met Bhagat Singh, he mentioned the name of a Sikh Freedom Fighter who refused to dye his beard or cut it when the Britishers put a large amount on his head. 

Dhan Guru Dhan Guru Pyaare! 

Trimandeep Singh 

[Trimandeep Singh]

24 minutes ago, Kaur1510 said:

As @paapiman bro has advised, at this current time I would focus on fighting other vices. Reciting mool mantar has turned  evils into saadhu, it would definitely take me somewhere

Paapiman Ji's advice is really good. However do try to keep Rehat and follow as much hukams of Guru Gobind Singh Ji as you can because they will protect your Kamaayi and help you to fight distractions.

Trimandeep Singh

[paapiman]

16 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said:

A modern example- Sant Kartar Singh Ji Khalsa mukhi of Damdami Taksaal. He was severely injured in a car accident. The doctors said he could be saved if he would allow shaving hairs on his chest to proceed for a surgery. He didn't allow this and happily accepted death and went for Sachkhand.

Another modern example of a Sikh Freedom Fighter during British Rule in India. When Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji met Bhagat Singh, he mentioned the name of a Sikh Freedom Fighter who refused to dye his beard or cut it when the Britishers put a large amount on his head. 

Both, Sant Baba Kartar Singh jee Khalsa and Bhai saab Bhai Randhir Singh jee were Gurmukh Brahamgyanis.

We should try to learn from their life events, but, IMHO, we should not apply such extremely HIGH standards (from their life stories) to ordinary Amritdhari Sikhs. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Kaur10]

8 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said:

From my meagre understanding, a Sehajdhaari Sikh is someone who wants to become a devoted Amritdhari Sikh. He/she is trying to keep Rehat and follow Gurbani but sometimes, under the influence of Maaya commits bajjar paaps. They demand more time (sehej) to follow the teachings of Gurbani. Means, slowly slowly, with time, they are coming towards the path of spirituality.

That is exactly what my plan and dream is.  

My family does not stop me from taking Amrit, but I am personally not prepared yet. I am building strong foundation by taking smaller steps every day.  

 

[Kaur10]

Does anyone else on this forum would like to join Mool Mantar Recitation as an experiment to get rid of their vices?

Especially beginners like me , let's just test the power of  Gurbani even though we know it is the Universal Truth. 

We do have good moral support on this form, let's get the most out of it.  

[Kaur10]

Update: There were days when i couldn't get up in the morning and was feeling guilty.  Now started again last week aiming for 40 continuous days of mool mantar jaap in the morning.  I never stopped reading biography of Sant Baba MahaHarnaam Singh Ji before bedtime and now reading volume 8. 

I am more aware of tinnitus as focus going on in between the ears during the jaap,  sometimes it jumps to front of eyes or on hirda. Concentration getting better each day,  listened to Bhai Balbir Singh USA , a naam abyiyaasi, and his advice worked for me. Long way to go but i am glad i am on the right track.  

Gurbaani makes more sense now,  feeling calm and little detached from world.  Feeling like i should focus on naam abhyiaas and gurbaani as don't know how long to live. Must earn this treasure before the death or the end of human life. 

[Jageera]

On 7/4/2021 at 7:25 PM, Kaur10 said:

Update: There were days when i couldn't get up in the morning and was feeling guilty.  Now started again last week aiming for 40 continuous days of mool mantar jaap in the morning.  I never stopped reading biography of Sant Baba MahaHarnaam Singh Ji before bedtime and now reading volume 8. 

I am more aware of tinnitus as focus going on in between the ears during the jaap,  sometimes it jumps to front of eyes or on hirda. Concentration getting better each day,  listened to Bhai Balbir Singh USA , a naam abyiyaasi, and his advice worked for me. Long way to go but i am glad i am on the right track.  

Gurbaani makes more sense now,  feeling calm and little detached from world.  Feeling like i should focus on naam abhyiaas and gurbaani as don't know how long to live. Must earn this treasure before the death or the end of human life. 

Good job penji.Keep it up.You are an inspiration.

[Kaur10]

Received this on Prabh Milne Ka Chao Telegram app,  very nice illustration. 

[Kaur10]

Another nice one for those who are practicing naam abhiyaas or want to do.   This group is very good and mind opening,  audios are later saved on their you tube or Facebook page.  

[sevak]

One Q. I have been following this thread. Is all this science, techniques, methods necessary to do Naam Jap (Recite God’s Nam)?

What about the poor illiterate, moorakh who has no education, who dont understand this intricate things? How do they Naam Jap? This means person who dont know such science / techniques- God is inaccessible to them?

[GurjantGnostic]

46 minutes ago, sevak said:

One Q. I have been following this thread. Is all this science, techniques, methods necessary to do Naam Jap (Recite God’s Nam)?

What about the poor illiterate, moorakh who has no education, who dont understand this intricate things? How do they Naam Jap? This means person who dont know such science / techniques- God is inaccessible to them?

Hah. I used to think that when I'd look at reflexology charts of the foot and the points and what health benefit and organ they stimulate etc, and I'd think that's incredible they figured all this out, and I believe them really but.... can't I just press my whole foot especially the parts that hurt?

Different Shaheeds used different Pangtis and maintained their equipose while Akal demonstrated supernatural feats. For some it was Japji, others just the Gurmantar. But what they all had in common was a lot, a lot, of recititation, a lot of repetition, amazing amounts of focus and Prem Bhagti. 

Everybody learns differently and internalizes information and grows differently.  Anyone who embraces Naam will taste it's perfection and the perfection of all its' fruits.