question about bani (Tav Parsaadh Sava'ye)

[Samarbir Singh]

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What does this shabad mean? Is guru sahib ji sahib saying there's no point in doing simran? Surely it doesn't mean that, i just dont have buddi to understand, if someone can help it would great.

kahaa bhayo jo dhouoo lochan moo(n)dh kai baiTh rahio bak dhiaan lagaio ||

Of what use it is if one sits and meditates like a crane with his eyes closed.

Bhul chuk maaf

[ragnarok]

It means if you look like you are meditating on the outside but nothing going on inside then what you are doing is useless. i.e. if you are faking it.

[Guest Satnaam]

True. Guru Nanak said it about communicating with God/ prayer. There is no point in doing it if you’re thinking about something else. The mind must quieten  and the focus should be on Truth with your heart.

[paapiman]

2 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:

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What does this shabad mean? Is guru sahib ji sahib saying there's no point in doing simran? Surely it doesn't mean that, i just dont have buddi to understand, if someone can help it would great.

kahaa bhayo jo dhouoo lochan moo(n)dh kai baiTh rahio bak dhiaan lagaio ||

Of what use it is if one sits and meditates like a crane with his eyes closed.

Bhul chuk maaf

That verse exposes hypocrisy (pakhand) among fake holy men. The crane sits with his eyes closed, in order to catch its prey (fish, etc). The prey is unaware that the crane is about to kill it. Similarly, some imposters pretend to be holy men, but in reality, some of them may be just looking to entrap gullible people for worldly gains (financial, etc.).

Please listen to the katha below for more details.

013 Katha Tvae Prasad Savaeyae Svaeya9 1 Giani Kulwant Singh Ji - YouTube

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

[SunnySingh]

4 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:

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What does this shabad mean? Is guru sahib ji sahib saying there's no point in doing simran? Surely it doesn't mean that, i just dont have buddi to understand, if someone can help it would great.

kahaa bhayo jo dhouoo lochan moo(n)dh kai baiTh rahio bak dhiaan lagaio ||

Of what use it is if one sits and meditates like a crane with his eyes closed.

Bhul chuk maaf

 

Samarbir Jee,

to understand in the right perspective the question you are asking in this thread, I believe let us see what else is said in the following 2 verses to the one you have presented above, though since the start to the end, the whole bani should be read and understood, for it contains countless pearls, diamonds and  rubies of highest spiritual value..

Here it goes:

ਕਹਾ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਦੋਊ ਲੋਚਨ ਮੂੰਦ ਕੈ ਬੈਠਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਬਕ ਧਿਆਨ ਲਗਾਇਓ ॥
kahaa bhayo jo dhouoo lochan moo(n)dh kai baiTh rahio bak dhiaan lagaio ||
Of what use it is if one sits and meditates like a crane with his eyes closed.

 

ਨ੍ਹਾਤ ਫਿਰਿਓ ਲੀਏ ਸਾਤ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਗਯੋ ਪਰਲੋਕ ਗਵਾਇਓ ॥
nhaat firio le'ee saat samudhran lok gayo paralok gavaio ||
If he takes bath at holy places upto the seventh sea, he loses this world and also the next world.

 

ਬਾਸ ਕੀਓ ਬਿਖਿਆਨ ਸੋਂ ਬੈਠ ਕੈ ਐਸੇ ਹੀ ਐਸੇ ਸੁ ਬੈਸ ਬਿਤਾਇਓ ॥
baas keeo bikhiaan so(n) baiTh kai aaise hee aaise su bais bitaio ||
He spends his life in such performing evil actions and wastes his life in such pursuits.

 

* In these verses above, Guru Jee is telling us, that when one sits as a crane , pretending to be absorbed in deep meditation (without actually trying to be absorbed in His Name), is like wanting to cheat and impress others, this is useless and being fake.

Or someone takes baths at so called holy places, that also is useless, because the water is  "jarr" = insentient element; which  can at most wash the physical dirt, but not the dirty subtle mind,  and this is the reason why that person as seen in the words of Guru Jee, shamelessly continues doing evil deeds.

 

Guru Jee also informs/warns us against other practices which people proudly do which in the end are futile, for maybe in the eyes of the world this holds some sort of importance, but, in reality  takes us not even  an inch towrds Him.

ਕਾਹੂ ਲੈ ਪਾਹਨ ਪੂਜ ਧਰਯੋ ਸਿਰ ਕਾਹੂ ਲੈ ਲਿੰਗੁ ਗਰੇ ਲਟਕਾਇਓ ॥
kaahoo lai paahan pooj dharayo sir kaahoo lai li(n)g gare laTakaio ||
Someone worshipped stone and placed it on his head. Someone hung the phallus (lingam) from his neck.

ਕਾਹੂ ਲਖਿਓ ਹਰਿ ਅਵਾਚੀ ਦਿਸਾ ਮਹਿ ਕਾਹੂ ਪਛਾਹ ਕੋ ਸੀਸੁ ਨਿਵਾਇਓ ॥
kaahoo lakhio har avaachee dhisaa meh kaahoo pachhaeh ko sees nivaio ||
Someone visualized God in the South and someone bowed his head towards the West.

ਕੋਊ ਬੁਤਾਨ ਕੋ ਪੂਜਤ ਹੈ ਪਸੁ ਕੋਊ ਮ੍ਰਿਤਾਨ ਕੋ ਪੂਜਨ ਧਾਇਓ ॥
kouoo butaan ko poojat hai pas kouoo mritaan ko poojan dhaio ||
Some fool worships the idols and someone goes to worship the dead.

ਕੂਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਉਰਝਿਓ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਕੋ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ॥੧੦॥੩੦॥
koor kriaa urajhio sabh hee jag sree bhagavaan ko bhedh na paio ||10||30||
The whole world is entangled in false rituals and has not known the secret of Lord-God 10.30.

 

Moreover Guru Jee goes a step further, and tells us something about those avatars,  deites, incarnatiions, gods, godesses to which many take them as equal to the ultimate reality /Truth of Satnam, but which is far from reality cause they too can not escape the noose of death.

Death does not only exist at our physiacl level, but also at those subtle realms below Sach Khand, where countless souls in different bodies, and the rulers of those khands, brahmands, realms, rule, such as the well known trinty of Brahma, Vishnu ( and consecuently his avatars on earth plane) and Shiva.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹੇਸਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਚੀਪਤਿ ਅੰਤ ਫਸੇ ਜਮ ਫਾਸ ਪਰੈਂਗੇ ॥
braham mahesar bisan sacheepat a(n)t fase jam faas parai(n)ge ||
Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu and Consort of Sachi (Indra) would ultimately fall in the noose of death.

ਏਕ ਸਿਵ ਭਏ ਏਕ ਗਏ ਏਕ ਫੇਰ ਭਏ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ੍ਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਕੇ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਭੀ ਅਨੇਕ ਹੈਂ ॥
ek siv bhe ek ge ek fer bhe raamacha(n)dhr kirasan ke avataar bhee anek hai(n) ||
There was one Shiva, who passed away and another one came into being there are many incarnations of Ramchandra and Krishna.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਅਰੁ ਬਿਸਨ ਕੇਤੇ ਬੇਦ ਔ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੇਤੇ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਮੂਹਨ ਕੈ ਹੁਇ ਹੁਇ ਬਿਤਏ ਹੈਂ ॥
brahamaa ar bisan kete bedh aau puraan kete si(n)mirat samoohan kai hui hui bite hai(n) ||
There are many Brahmas and Vishnus, there are many Vedas and Puranas, there have been the authors of all the Smritis, who created their works and passed away.

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
kite kirasan se keeT koTai upaae ||
He (the Lord) hath Created millions of Krishnas like worms.

ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜ੍ਹੇ ਫੇਰ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ ॥
ausaare gaRhe fer meTe banaae ||
He (the Lord)Created them, annihilated them, again destroyed them, still again Created them.

 

Finally He reveals us, the only way to wash our sins/countless karmas and merge in Him forever:

ਫੋਕਟੋ ਸਰਬ ਧਰਮਾ ਬਿਹੀਨ ॥੨੦॥੧੪੦॥
fokaTo sarab dharamaa biheen ||20||140||
All the religious rituals are useless! 20. 140

ਬਿਨੁ ਏਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਇਕ ਚਿੱਤ ਲੀਨ ॥
bin ek naam ik chi't leen ||
Without the single-minded absorption in he Lord’s Name !

 

Now going back. to the question of the OP, of  if we are not engaged  in His name, that is useless  ......  I would say, doing His simran, is the only thing what we can do to be receptive to His barpoor grace, daya meher, in order to move forward towards Him.

We have been born countless times, we have huge amount of dirt on our heads, so it is normal that our mind wanders and does all sort of tricks to block us in trying to go back to Him.

But we too, we are no less, we are sikhs of Guru Jee, so we should also follow His orders diligently and make the mind eat the antidote of His Name(Simran), in order to defeat that naughty wicked  mind.

We are all sick, unless we take the medicine of His Name, how can we ever get well?

Waht sense does it make saying that, unless I get well, I will not take the medicine?  Would that not be foolish?  So, how can we say, if we see nothing within or our mind is not with us in Simran, it is useless to do it.

You see, we are mixing 2 things. One, when someone is trying to behave as religious by showing us that they are in meditation, that is false and cheating.

But, what cheating can it be called,  or useless practice,  if we are trying sincerely to fight with the mind by trying to give it the medicine of His Name? 

We have been wandering since countless births, so how can we ever control the mind in some days, months or even a life span of time? 

Our duty is to be truthful to Guru Jee, by faithfully carrying the devotion desribed by Him to be done, then He the Almighty  and mercifull Lord, will definetely pull us out with His strong arms.

Our duty is only to please Him and extend out our arms,  so that He may pull us out.  

Only that much is in our hands. 

For if it was not for His mercy to forgive our sins, then even countless lives doing 24/7/365  any devotion from our side, would simply not be enough to wash all the load of sins, which we have been collecting since we stepped in the mayavee creation and left our home in Sach Khand.

The Bani clearly says: 

Baha pakar kar Guru kadeeya. 

The Guru pulled me out by holding my arm.