Hirsutism facial hair on women

[GurjantGnostic]

The Bhenji who loves her Guru so much that she takes his Roop proudly in the face of what we know is world ridicule? Vah vah. 

I'm telling you. You see a Bibi like this, demonstrating Gursikhi? Call the vichola. Have your family talk to her family. Beg Vaheguru. Don't be sleeping on this Veers. 

Does she understand collaborating as a family, does she use Shastar? Bro. 

If our Ahankar makes us unworthy or unready for Bibi like this? That's okay but that's on us being fools. 

E v e r y t h i n g t h e y s o l d y o u a b o u t l o v e b e u t y s u c c e s s i s a l i e !

Reprogram yourself today through Gurmat. Cut off your Sis and beg Guru Ji to take it. 

I have looked in all places and there is only pain without Gurmat. Even those places they tell you to go and even doing it how they say to do it. 

We have damaged our minds and bodies with a lifetime of delusional programming. 

Dan dan Guru Nanak Dev Ji! Raj Kharega Khalsa! Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Vaheguru! Vaheguru! 

No Sharda for Guru? No sharda for you. You're just playing a role in their ego narrative whether your role is long or short. 

Utmost importance no pornogrpahy ever young bros. It's poison as those women are trafficked and under duress or drug addicted. You're witnessing a crime. 

Two words to avoid like the plague in Kalyug, everybody and normal. 

[GurjantGnostic]

I was driving with friends and they started to laugh at a young girl we passed for having some very visible facial hair. They're nice people but I had to stop them and say hey.. that's a real alpha female right there. That's a girl whose got some guts, good for her and she looks lovely I'm proud of her. That's my spirit animal today. 

This girl has that much strength and no Guru yet. 

[paapiman]

37 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

True in a way bro. But one could argue all the Kakars represent a potential loss of income, we have to rely on hard work and Guru's Kirpa for what underlies our Maya. 

Kalyug uses many forms of situational ethics to get us to concede bits of our integrity for Maya. 

We must stay Nirmal to receive the continued Kirpa of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharajah, and pick our work and set our expectations and priorities appropriately. 

It's okay if Bhenji is not at that place where she can handle that task. But the Rehit remains. 

I'm no better. Having not taken Amrit yet, when my company rolled out an aggressive anti weapon campaign rather than try and stand up and argue my Shastar are Kakar I hide them in my bag on the clock. When I take Amrit I will begin carrying a new Kirpan openly and stand up for our rights, but I won't be looking for is a Jatha to tell me neglecting to carry Shastar on my person at all times is Rehit, or laugh at Rehit with my little manmind. 

If a legitimate medical issue exists and is treated and the Kesh changes so be it. 

But having more hair than your Ahankar likes is not a medical condition, it's part of the point. The Ahankar is the Rog not the Kesh. 

But still bro, Beards and Moustaches are not meant for females.

The Panth needs to find a solution to this facial hair problem facing our females. This wasn't a big problem when my mum was growing up. She never saw any lady with facial hair.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

22 minutes ago, paapiman said:

But still bro, Beards and Moustaches are not meant for females.

The Panth needs to find a solution to this facial hair problem facing our females. This wasn't a big problem when my mum was growing up. She never saw any lady with facial hair.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

If there is a shift it's most likely hormones in western food. 

Women have always had varying degrees of hair though. They've just been plucking, bleaching, waxing, lasering it off. 

And yes. Some have no facial or arm hair. Some have barely visible fuzz, some have arm hair but no facial hair, sometimes it's darker. 

One of my cousins hit puberty early from chicken hormones though too. 

Or maybe surviving genocide increases testosterone in women for a few generations. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Those Bibis that are keeping Kesh fully we should support fully though. 

[Trimandeep Singh]

Saabat Soorat Rab Di Panneh Beyimaan 

Simple as that. Vaheguru has given you a perfect body. Every miniscule of it is perfect. Whosoever alters his/her appearance through facial products, makeup, cutting hairs etc is doing bajjar qurehit. You are saying, "Hey Vaheguru, YOU have made me ugly. I need to cut my hairs or else noone's gonna marry me. I can't get a job because of these. So it would be better if you do something or else I am gonna cut these!"

Even those non Sikhs don't have any idea by what they have done by cutting their hairs. Whosoever violates Guru sahib's hukam will be punished.

Thank you Guru Gobind Singh Ji, you introduced us to Sikhi or else jamdoots would have fried us in hot oil and make our pakodas.lol

Trimandeep Singh 

[Kaur10]

@Trimandeep Singh may I know what would be your reaction if your wife would grow beard?  Apologies for asking this, just wanted to know. 

If I would grow beard in future when I would be Amritdhari or in higher Sikhi spiritual state,  then  I would accept it happily. If it would be a issue at work or community,  then to make things easy for my family I would probably move to area with higher population of Sikhs.  

Bhul Chuk Maaf

[Trimandeep Singh]

9 hours ago, Kaur1510 said:

@Trimandeep Singh may I know what would be your reaction if your wife would grow beard?  Apologies for asking this, just wanted to know. 

If I would grow beard in future when I would be Amritdhari or in higher Sikhi spiritual state,  then  I would accept it happily. If it would be a issue at work or community,  then to make things easy for my family I would probably move to area with higher population of Sikhs.  

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Though I am currently not married and right now, in my age, we need to focus on studies and try to balance out our Paath Simran and study life. I can't say anything because I haven't been in that situation. 

However, in a life partner, I would only be concerned about her Rehat and bhagti and family background (their love and cooperation towards Sikh principles in case they are non Sikhs). Beard isn't much of a concern for me. Manmukhs get in 'love' by only seeing outer appearance. However, gursikhs see the inner appearance.

Bhul chuk maaf

Trimandeep Singh 

[Inderpal1994]

I know I am late to the party but this thread is a great highlight of what is the current state of the panth. 

We have lost sight of dharam, we have lost sight of spirituality. Instead we have turned in to a religion. 

Rather than taking this topic with an open mind, we have become more like "what is haram, and what is halal" "what is a sin, and what is not".

Like bruh. Rather than exploring this topic we pretty much end it with silly hypothetical questions. 

[Inderpal1994]

On 5/25/2021 at 1:12 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

This is maybe a result of your previous life karams. If you cut/remove your hairs then surely you can't get liberation as you violated hukam and tried to escape that punishment

Hukam and karma is not the same for everyone. I agree with suffer based on our actions in our previous life. But, does that mean we should stay silent and accept it. 

As we like using hypothetical question. Let me use this one. What response would you give to a child who is being abused? Should we tell the kid to accept it, and if they run off they are escaping their punishment. 

Honestly, this response so silly and absurd. We suffer from our past actions, but it doesn't mean we sit and fully accept. We are allowed to seek help, guidance or choose what path is best for us. If the sister is in some sort self-conscious on her appearance than I think she should do what's best for her. Who are we to say what she can and cannot do.

Also, if I'm clear I believe keeping kes is applied to singh's.

On 5/25/2021 at 1:12 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

Just imagine Guru Sahib saying

A silly hypothetical statement. The use of this statement is to provoke emotions. Also, if you ask me to imagine what Maharaj would say, you are asking me to use my mat (manmat)

 

On 5/25/2021 at 1:12 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

you will again get the same punishment or maybe more severe than that

How would you know?

 

On 5/25/2021 at 2:03 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

ਵਾਹੁਵਾਹੁਕਰਹਿਸੇਈਜਨਸੋਹਣੇਤਿਨ੍ਹਕਉਪਰਜਾਪੂਜਣਆਈ॥
Most beautiful are those persons who chant Waaho! Waaho! ; people come to venerate them.

In the shabad you've mentioned in your post, it speaks of those who decorate their body to please Sri Akaal Purakh. Maharaj has made it clear that the will of Satguru is naam simran. How many times had Maharaj talked about simran and bhagti.

We already know that the Divine lives within this vessel. So ask Sikhs or those who practise dharam seek to purify the soul and consciousness. 

On 5/25/2021 at 4:02 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

The Bhenji with the Dhari gets the cred. 

What credit does she get? Sikhi is about bhagti, not I keep my kes so I am a great sikh.

[Inderpal1994]

On 5/28/2021 at 8:58 AM, paapiman said:

The Panth needs to find a solution to this facial hair problem facing our females

I don't think the panth needs to anything. My issue with this topic is how we are telling women what to do, and how we evaluate if someone is a sikh. If a women wishes to keep complete kes that's cool. If she does not, than that is also cool. 

We should not be making statement to reduce women to a rehat that I believe was only intended for Singhs.

On 5/28/2021 at 9:24 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

Those Bibis that are keeping Kesh fully we should support fully though

We should support all and not put one above another. This may be a reason why some women feel excluded from the qaum. 

 

On 5/29/2021 at 5:15 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

Whosoever alters his/her appearance through facial products, makeup, cutting hairs etc is doing bajjar qurehit

What about bodybuilder, or people who hit the gym everyday, or people who practice martial arts. Don't you think there body doesn't change as well.

 

On 5/30/2021 at 9:47 AM, Trimandeep Singh said:

Manmukhs get in 'love' by only seeing outer appearance

That's a huge generalisation of people. 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 9/3/2022 at 4:19 AM, Inderpal1994 said:

We should not be making statement to reduce women to a rehat that I believe was only intended for Singhs.

Females and males are both Singh bro. Amritdhari is Guru Ki Fauj, leadership branch. Men and women have the same rules in a fauj. Only reason women not to keep kesh is vanity. Same stumbling block for men. Now in the mona community? Equal opportunity to fall short on rehit. 

[Premi]

Been told by elders who lived in the Pind in earlier generations that facial hair was not much of a thing in the past.

They say that modern foods/chemicals etc are contributing.

[Mbad]

Bhenji it is a very awkward position you are in and I completely understand as even my MIL who is amritdhari will criticise women with facial hair . I hit menopause which caused a hormonal imbalance causing chin hairs. I eat home made food no processed food (natural fresh products as much as possible and cheese only 1x a month) and by using homeopathic it has taken 1.5 years for the hairs to become very fine and barely noticeable. 
I hope you find a solution that will help you but you should find the root cause first which is normally hormonal- PCOS  or menopause as even laser removal is not permanent for some people.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

15 hours ago, Mbad said:

Bhenji it is a very awkward position you are in and I completely understand as even my MIL who is amritdhari will criticise women with facial hair . I hit menopause which caused a hormonal imbalance causing chin hairs. I eat home made food no processed food (natural fresh products as much as possible and cheese only 1x a month) and by using homeopathic it has taken 1.5 years for the hairs to become very fine and barely noticeable. 
I hope you find a solution that will help you but you should find the root cause first which is normally hormonal- PCOS  or menopause as even laser removal is not permanent for some people.

 

Maybe correct your mother in law for speaking against Saroop. 

Amritdhari should come with a set of these a lot of times. 

"   "

Your mil is a Mona, Sehajdhari at best. And there's nothing wrong with that except she's posing as Amritdhari which are our leaders, not everyone. Who lead by the example of their feminine Dhari. 

[paapiman]

On 9/3/2022 at 7:19 AM, Inderpal1994 said:

We should not be making statement to reduce women to a rehat that I believe was only intended for Singhs.

Keeping of beard and moustache is primarily meant for Singhs.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, paapiman said:

Keeping of beard and moustache is primarily meant for Singhs.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Show me in Gurbani. I see Keshdhari. That gender division is imposed by manmukh norms. 

[sarabatam]

Please listen to sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale for excessive facial here for woman. 

[GurjantGnostic]

If it's a medical condition, treat the underlying cause. If you shave or laser, be honest and don't lead. 

If you aren't full Keshdhari you aren't in the chain of command. 

You're Mona or Sehajdhari. 

[GurjantGnostic]

And if you're a casteist or a racist you left the Paanth entirely. 

ਅਕਾਲਪੁਰਖਬਾਚਇਸਕੀਟਪ੍ਰਤਿ॥

akaal purakh baach is keeT prat ||

The Words of the Non-temporal Lord to this insect:

 

ਚੌਪਈ॥

chauapiee ||

CHAUPAI

 

ਜਬਪਹਿਲੇਹਮਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਬਨਾਈ॥

jab pahile ham sirasaT banaiee ||

 

ਦਈਤਰਚੇਦੁਸਟਦੁਖਦਾਈ॥

dhieet rache dhusaT dhukh dhaiee ||

When I created the world in the beginning, I created the ignominious and dreadful Daityas.

 

ਤੇਭੁਜਬਲਬਵਰੇਹ੍ਵੈਗਏ॥

te bhuj bal bavare havai ge ||

 

ਪੂਜਤਪਰਮਪੁਰਖਰਹਿਗਏ॥੬॥

poojat param purakh reh ge ||6||

Who became mad with power and abandoned the worship of Supreme Purusha.6.

 

ਤੇਹਮਤਮਕਿਤਨਕਮੋਖਾਪੇ॥

te ham tamak tanik mo khaape ||

 

ਤਿਨਕੀਠਉਰਦੇਵਤਾਥਾਪੇ॥

tin kee ttaur dhevataa thaape ||

I destroyed them in no time and created gods in their place.

 

ਤੇਭੀਬਲਿਪੂਜਾਉਰਝਾਏ॥

te bhee bal poojaa aurajhaae ||

 

ਆਪਨਹੀਪਰਮੇਸਰਕਹਾਏ॥੭॥

aapan hee paramesur kahaae ||7||

They were also absorbed in the worship of power and called themselves Omnipotent.7.

 

ਮਹਾਦੇਵਅਚੁੱਤਕਹਾਯੋ॥

mahaadhev achut kahavaayo ||

 

ਬਿਸਨਆਪਹੀਕੋਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ॥

bisan aap hee ko ttaharaayo ||

Mahadeo (Shiva) was called Achyuta (blotless), Vishnu considered himself the Supreme.

 

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਆਪਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮਬਖਾਨਾ॥

brahamaa aap paarabraham bakhaanaa ||

 

ਪ੍ਰਭਕੋਪ੍ਰਭੂਨਕਿਨਹੂੰਜਾਨਾ॥੮॥

prabh ko prabhoo na kinahoo(n) jaanaa ||8||

Brahma called himself Para Brahman, none could comprehend the Lord.8.

 

ਤਬਸਾਖੀਪ੍ਰਭਅਸਟਬਨਾਏ॥

tab saakhee prabh asaT banaae ||

 

ਸਾਖਨਮਿਤਦੇਬੇਠਹਿਰਾਏ॥

saakh namit dhebe ttahiraae ||

Then I created eight Sakshis in order to give evidence of my Entity.

 

ਤੇਕਹੈਕਰੋਹਮਾਰੀਪੂਜਾ॥

te kahai karo hamaaree poojaa ||

 

ਹਮਬਿਨਅਵਰੁਨਠਾਕੁਰੁਦੂਜਾ॥੯॥

ham bin avar na ttaakur dhoojaa ||9||

But they considered themselves all in all and asked the people to worship them.9.

 

ਪਰਮਤੱਤਕੋਜਿਨਨਪਛਾਨਾ॥

param tat ko jin na pachhaanaa ||

 

ਤਿਨਕਰਿਈਸਰਤਿਨਕਹੁਮਾਨਾ॥

tin kar ieesur tin kahu maanaa ||

Those who did not comprehend the Lord, they were considered as Ishvara.

 

ਕੇਤੇਸੂਰਚੰਦਕਹੁਮਾਨੈ॥

kete soor cha(n)dh kahu maanai ||

 

ਅਗਨਿਹੋਤ੍ਰਕਈਪਵਨਪ੍ਰਮਾਨੈ॥੧੦॥

aganahotr kiee pavan pramaanai ||10||

Several people worshipped the sun and the moon and several others worshipped Fire and Ait.10.

 

ਕਿਨਹੂੰਪ੍ਰਭੁਪਾਹਨਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ॥

kinahoo(n) prabh paahin pahichaanaa ||

 

ਨ੍ਹਾਤਕਿਤੇਜਲਕਰਤਬਿਧਾਨਾ॥

nrahaat kite jal karat bidhaanaa ||

Several of them considered God as stone and several others bathed considering the Lordship of Water.

 

ਕੇਤਿਕਕਰਮਕਰਤਡਰਪਾਨਾ॥

ketik karam karat ddarapaanaa ||

 

ਧਰਮਰਾਜਕੋਧਰਮਪਛਾਨਾ॥੧੧॥

dharam raaj ko dharam pachhaanaa ||11||

Considering Dharmaraja as the Supreme representative of Dharma, several bore fear of him in their actions. 11.

 

ਜੋਪ੍ਰਭਸਾਖਨਮਿਤਠਹਿਰਾਏ॥

je prabh saakh namit ttaharaae ||

 

ਤੇਹਿਆਂਆਇਪ੍ਰਭੂਕਹਵਾਏ॥

te hiaa(n) aai prabhoo kahavaae ||

All those whom God established for the revelation of His Supremacy, they themselves were called Supreme.

 

ਤਾਕੀਬਾਤਬਿਸਰਜਾਤੀਭੀ॥

taa kee baat bisar jaatee bhee ||

 

ਅਪਨੀਅਪਨੀਪਰਤਸੋਭਭੀ॥੧੨॥

apanee apanee parat sobh bhee ||12||

They forgot the Lord in their race for supremacy. 12

 

ਜਬਪ੍ਰਭਕੋਨਤਿਨੈਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ॥

jab prabh ko na tinai pahichaanaa ||

 

ਤਬਹਰਿਇਨਮਨੁਛਨਠਹਿਰਾਨਾ॥

tab har in manuchhan ttaharaanaa ||

When they did not comprehend the Lord, then I established human beings in their place.

 

ਤੇਭੀਬਸਿਮਮਤਾਹੁਇਗਏ॥

te bhee bas mamataa hui ge ||

 

ਪਰਮੇਸਰਪਾਹਨਠਹਿਰਏ॥੧੩॥

paramesur paahan ttahare ||13||

They also were overpowered by ‘mineness’ and exhibited the Lord in statues.13.

 

ਤਬਹਰਿਸਿੱਧਸਾਧਠਹਿਰਾਏ॥

tab har sidh saadh ttahiraae ||

 

ਤਿਨਭੀਪਰਮਪੁਰਖਨਹੀਪਾਏ॥

tin bhee param purakh neh paae ||

Then I created Siddhas and sadhs, who also could not realize the Lord.

 

ਜੇਕੋਈਹੋਤਭਯੋਜਗਿਸਿਆਨਾ॥

je koiee hot bhayo jag siaanaa ||

 

ਤਿਨਤਿਨਅਪਨੋਪੰਥੁਚਲਾਨਾ॥੧੪॥

tin tin apano pa(n)th chalaanaa ||14||

On whomsoever wisdom dawned, he started his own path. 14.

 

ਪਰਮਪੁਰਖਕਿਨਹੂੰਨਹਪਾਯੋ॥

param purakh kinahoo(n) neh paayo ||

 

ਬੈਰਬਾਦਅਹੰਕਾਰਬਢਾਯੋ॥

bair baadh ha(n)kaar baddaayo ||

None could realise the Supreme Lord, but instead spread strife, enmity and ego.

 

ਪੇਡਪਾਤਆਪਨਤੇਜਲੈ॥

pedd paat aapan te jalai ||

 

ਪ੍ਰਭਕੈਪੰਥਨਕੋਊਚਲੈ॥੧੫॥

prabh kai pa(n)th na kouoo chalai ||15||

The tree and the leaves began to burn, because of the inner fire.None followed the path of the Lord.15.

 

ਜਿਨਿਜਿਨਿਤਨਿਕਸਿੱਧਕੋਪਾਯੋ॥

jin jin tanik sidh ko paayo ||

 

ਤਿਨਤਿਨਅਪਨਾਰਾਹੁਚਲਾਯੋ॥

tin tin apanaa raahu chalaayo ||

Whosoever attained a little spiritual power, he started his own path.

 

ਪਰਮੇਸਰਨਕਿਨਹੂੰਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ॥

paramesur na kinahoo(n) pahichaanaa ||

 

ਮਮਉਚਾਰਤੇਭਯੋਦਿਵਾਨਾ॥੧੬॥

mam auchaar te bhayo dhivaanaa ||16||

None could comprehend the Lord, but instead became mad with ‘I-ness’.16.

 

ਪਰਮਤੱਤਕਿਨਹੂੰਨਪਛਾਨਾ॥

param tat kinahoo(n) na pachhaanaa ||

 

ਆਪਆਪਭੀਤਰਿਉਰਝਾਨਾ॥

aap aap bheetar aurajhaanaa ||

Nobody recognized the Supreme Essence, but was entangled within himself.

 

ਤਬਜੇਜੇਰਿਖਰਾਜਬਨਾਏ॥

tab je je rikh raaj banaae ||

 

ਤਿਨਆਪਨਪੁਨਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਚਲਾਏ॥੧੭॥

tin aapan pun si(n)mirat chalaae ||17||

All the great rishis (sages), who were then created, produced their own Smritis.17.

 

ਜੇਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਨਕੇਭਏਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ॥

je si(n)mratan ke bhe anuraagee ||

 

ਤਿਨਿਤਿਨਿਕ੍ਰਿਆਬ੍ਰਹਮਕੀਤਿਆਗੀ॥

tin tin kiraa braham kee tiaagee ||

All those who became followers of these smritis, they abandoned the path of the Lord.

 

ਜਿਨਮਨਹਰਿਚਰਨਨਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ॥

jin man har charanan ttaharaayo ||

 

ਸੋਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਨਕੇਰਾਹਨਆਯੋ॥੧੮॥

so si(n)miratan ke raeh na aayo ||18||

Those who devoted themselves to the Feet of the Lord, they did not adopt the path of the Smritis.18.

 

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਚਾਰਹੀਬੇਦਬਨਾਏ॥

brahamaa chaar hee bedh banaae ||

 

ਸਰਬਲੋਕਤਿਹਕਰਮਚਲਾਏ॥

sarab lok teh karam chalaae ||

Brahma composed all the four Vedas, all the people followed the injunctions contained in them.

 

ਜਿਨਕੀਲਿਵਹਰਿਚਰਨਨਲਾਗੀ॥

jin kee liv har charanan laagee ||

 

ਤੇਬੇਦਨਤੇਭਏਤਿਆਗੀ॥੧੯॥

te bedhan te bhe tiaagee ||19||

Those who were devoted to the Feet of the Lord, they abandoned the Vedas.19.

 

ਜਿਨਮਤਬੇਦਕਤੇਬਨਤਿਆਗੀ॥

jin mat bedh kateban tiaagee ||

 

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮਕੇਭੇਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ॥

paarabraham ke bhe anuraagee ||

Those who abandoned the path of the Vedas and Katebs, they became the devotees of the Lord.

 

ਤਿਨਕੇਗੂੜਮੱਤਜੇਚਲਹੀ॥

tin ke gooR mat je chalahee ||

 

ਭਾਂਤਿਅਨੇਕਦੁਖਨਸੋਦਲਹੀ॥੨੦॥

bhaat anek dhookh so dhalahee ||20||

Whosoever follows their path, he crushes various types of sufferings.20.

 

ਜੇਜੇਸਹਿਤਜਾਤਨਸੰਦੇਹਿ॥

je je sahit jaatan sa(n)dheh ||

 

ਪ੍ਰਭਕੇਸੰਗਿਨਛੋਡਤਨੇਹ॥

prabh ke sa(n)g na chhoddat neh ||

Those who consider the castes illusory, they do not abandon the love of the Lord.

 

ਤੇਤੇਪਰਮਪੁਰੀਕਹਜਾਹੀ॥

te te param puree keh jaahee ||

 

ਤਿਨਹਰਿਸਿਉਅੰਤਰੁਕਛੁਨਾਹੀਂ॥੨੧॥

tin har siau a(n)tar kichh naahee ||21||

When they leave the world, they go to the abode of the Lord, and there is no difference between them and the Lord.21.

 

ਜੇਜੇਜੀਯਜਾਤਨਤੇਡਰੇ॥

je je jeey jaatan te ddare ||

 

ਪਰਮਪੁਰਖਤਜਿਤਿਨਮਗਪਰੈ॥

param purakh taj tin mag pare ||

Those who fear the castes and follow their path, abandoning the Supreme Lord.

 

ਤੇਤੇਨਰਕਕੁੰਡਮੋਪਰਹੀ॥

te te narak ku(n)dd mo parahee ||

 

ਬਾਰਬਾਰਜਗਮੋਬਪੁਧਰਹੀ॥੨੨॥

baar baar jag mo bap dharahee ||22||

They fall into hell and transmigrate again and again.22.

 

ਤਬਹਰਿਬਹੁਰਿਦੱਤਉਪਜਾਇਓ॥

tab har bahur dhat aupajaio ||

 

ਤਿਨਭੀਅਪਨਾਪੰਥੁਚਲਾਇਓ॥

tin bhee apanaa pa(n)th chalaio ||

Then I created Dutt, who also started his own path.

 

ਕਰਮੋਨਖਸਿਰਜਟਾਸਵਾਰੀ॥

kar mo nakh sir jaTaa savaaree ||

 

ਪ੍ਰਭਕੀਕ੍ਰਿਆਨਕਛੂਬਿਚਾਰੀ॥੨੩॥

prabh kee kiraa kachh na bichaaree ||23||

His followers have long nails on their hands and matted hair on their heads . They did not understand the ways of the Lord.23

 

ਪੁਨਿਹਰਿਗੋਰਖਕੋਉਪਰਾਜਾ॥

pun har gorakh ko auparaajaa ||

 

ਸਿੱਖਕਰੇਤਿਨਹੰੂਬਡਰਾਜਾ॥

sikh kare tin hoo badd raajaa ||

Then I created Gorakh, who made great kings his disciples.

 

ਸ੍ਰਵਨਫਾਰਿਮੁਦ੍ਰਾਦੁਐਡਾਰੀ॥

sravan faar mudhraa dhuaai ddaaree ||

 

ਹਰਿਕੀਪ੍ਰਤਿਰੀਤਿਨਬਿਚਾਰੀ॥੨੪॥

har kee prat reet na bichaaree ||24||

His disciples wear rings in their ears and do not know the love of the lord.24.

 

ਪੁਨਿਹਰਿਰਾਮਾਨੰਦਕੋਕਰਾ॥

pun har raamaana(n)dh ko karaa ||

 

ਭੇਸਬੈਰਾਗੀਕੋਜਿਨਧਰਾ॥

bhes bairaagee ko jin dharaa ||

Then I created Ramanand, who adopted the path of Bairagi.

 

ਕੰਠੀਕੰਠਿਕਾਠਕੀਡਾਰੀ॥

ka(n)ttee ka(n)tt kaatt kee ddaaree ||

 

ਪ੍ਰਭਕੀਕ੍ਰਿਆਨਕਛੂਬਿਚਾਰੀ॥੨੫॥

prabh kee kiraa na kachhoo bichaaree ||25||

Around his neck he wore necklace of wooden beads and did not comprehend the ways of the Lord.25.

 

ਜੇਪ੍ਰਭੁਪਰਮਪੁਰਖਉਪਜਾਏ॥

je prabh param purakh aupajaae ||

 

ਤਿਨਤਿਨਅਪਨੇਰਾਹਚਲਾਏ॥

tin tin apane raeh chalaae ||

All the great Purushas created by me started their own paths.

 

ਮਹਾਦੀਨਤਬਪ੍ਰਭਉਪਰਾਜਾ॥

mahaadheen tab prabh auparaajaa ||

 

ਅਰਬਦੇਸਕੋਕੀਨੋਰਾਜਾ॥੨੬॥

arab dhes ko keeno raajaa ||26||

Then I created Muhammed, who was made the master of Arabia.26.

 

ਤਿਨਭੀਏਕੁਪੰਥੁਉਪਰਾਜਾ॥

tin bhee ek pa(n)th auparaajaa ||

 

ਲਿੰਗਬਿਨਾਕੀਨੇਸਭਰਾਜਾ॥

li(n)g binaa keene sabh raajaa ||

He started a religion and circumcised all the kings.

 

ਸਭਤੇਅਪਨਾਨਾਮੁਜਪਾਯੋ॥

sabh te apanaa naam japaayo ||

 

ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁਕਾਹੂੰਨਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ॥੨੭॥

sat naam kaahoo(n) na dhiraRaayo ||27||

He caused all to utter his name and did not give True Name of the Lord with firmness to anyone.27.

 

ਸਭਅਪਨੀਅਪਨੀਉਰਝਾਨਾ॥

sabh apanee apanee aurajhaanaa ||

 

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮਕਾਹੂਨਪਛਾਨਾ॥

paarabraham kaahoo(n) na pachhaanaa ||

Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend the Supreme Brahman.

 

ਤਪਸਾਧਤਹਰਿਮੋਹਿਬੁਲਾਯੋ॥

tap saadhat har moh bulaayo ||

 

ਇਮਕਹਿਕੈਇਹਲੋਕਪਠਾਯੋ॥੨੮॥

eim keh kai ieh lok pattaayo ||28||

When I was busy in the austere devotion, the Lord called me and sent me to this world with the following words.28.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Bachithr Naatak - 57

[Soulfinder]

22 hours ago, sarabatam said:

Please listen to sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale for excessive facial here for woman. 

Veer ji do you have the link for the audio katha on the subject ?

[Soulfinder]

Has anyone heard of Harnam Kaur ? Dass feels very sorry for her

 

[sarabatam]

On 9/6/2022 at 7:54 PM, sarabatam said:

Please listen to sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale for excessive facial here for woman. 

Check out rec0rding Above

[GurjantGnostic]

7 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Has anyone heard of Harnam Kaur ? Dass feels very sorry for her

 

Why bro. She 111 rocks it? She has marriage offers I'm sure. 

[GurjantGnostic]

7 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Has anyone heard of Harnam Kaur ? Dass feels very sorry for her

 

I feel sorry for women that have her dhari but not her sharda.