paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 @Trimandeep Singh - Bro, can you please list all the benefits of following the Sarabloh and Bibek Maryadas? Thanks a lot Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 ਪਾਤ੍ਰ ਸਰਬ ਸੁ ਲੋਹ ਕੇ, ਭੁਗਤੇ ਅਸਨ ਸੁਆਦਿ ਲੱਕੜੀ ਕੋ ਭੋਜਨ ਭਖੇ, ਨੀਲ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਰਜਾਦ…ਲੋਹ ਪਾਤ੍ਰ ਮੈਂ ਛਕੈ… (ਭਾਈ ਦਯਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਰਹਿਤਨਾਮਾ, ਪੰਨਾ 75 – ‘ਰਹਿਤਨਾਮੇ’, ਸੰਪਾਦਕ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਪਦਮ)“Using utensils of sarbloh, one eats tasty food…one should eat in Sarbloh utensils” (Rehitnama Bhai Daya Singh Ji – Piara Singh Padam, pg. 75) Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Quote On a much perceptive scale however iron is famed, amongst the orthodox Sikhs, for it’s ability to retain vibration. Along with being a natural conductor, iron retains extensively high-pitched vibrations in it’s structure which according to spiritual scientists are passed onto it’s user. In simple terms this allows an orthodox Sikh to influence orthodoxy amongst his fellow Sikhs by feeding them in iron. Human emotions are obviously expressed via sound and as such the vibrations are retained by iron, an orthodox Sikh would surely recite non-specific passages from Gurbani and/or chant ‘Vaheguru’ which would birth the same spiritual emotions in a fellow Sikh; who would consume food from his hands in iron utensils. Unquote[1] [1] - https://www.sikhanswers.com/why-do-some-sikhs-insist-on-cooking-and-eat-of-sarbloh-iron-utensils/ Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 TAKEN FROM WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM **************************** Sarbloh Bibek - People who don't keep Sarbloh but have High Avastha What about People who don't keep Sarbloh but have High Avastha? Original Text: ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਤਨਕ ਮਾਤਰ ਟਕੋਰ ਲਗਣ ਨਾਲ ਜੋ ਕਚ-ਬਿਰਤੀਏ ਹੋਰਸ ਸਰਬ ਰਹਿਤਾਂ ਬਹਿਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਛਡਿ ਬਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਬੁਸ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਓਹ ਕਿਣਕੇ ਮਾਤ੍ਰ ਕਮਾਈ ਓਥੇ ਦੀ ਓਥੇ ਹੀ (ਥਾਂਓ ਦੀ ਥਾਂਓ ਹੀ) ਖੜੋ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਰਹਿਣੀ ਦੇ ਅਸੂਲ ਪਰੇ ਤੋਂ ਪਰੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਏਹਨਾਂ ਸਰਬ ਅਸੂਲਾਂ ਦਾ ਕਮਾਉਣਾ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਨੀ ਅਰਥਾਤ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਹੈ। (Gurmat Bibek, page 259). Humble Translation: People with unripe-concentration, who after a mild stroke of Naam give up other Rehits and styles (Bahit), their little bit of Kamaaee (spiritual earning) stays stuck there. The Rehits and styles of Gursikhi are beyond of the beyond and to earn all principles (of Gurmat) is called Bibek Karni i.e. Gurmat Bibek. Vichaar: Sometimes, due to massive Bhagti from previous lives or other spiritual reasons, some individuals experience mystical spiritual states without keeping full Rehit. Some fortunate ones like Bibi Nand Kaur (sister of Bhai Gurdeep Singh Ranglay Sajjan) experienced Jyot Vigaasi Avastha even before Amrit Chhak. This was because of her Dasam-Duaari brother's wish to have her sister experience Guru Sahib's Kala. But this does not mean that Rehit and other Hukams of Guru Sahib should be ignored, nor did Bibi Nand Kaur ignore to take Amrit and keep Rehit. She did take Amrit later on. If such fortunate individuals who have high mystical experiences due to previous Kamaayee, don't obey Hukams of Guru Sahib and keep Rehit, their mystical experiences either stop getting enhanced or totally cease to occur, as previous Kamaayee fades out. This is based on a writing of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee. He has written that a Sikh should strive to obey all Hukams of Guru Sahib. ******************************** Well, the opinion of Bhai sahib Randhir Singh Ji on high avastha gursikhs who keep less Rehat is absolutely on point. However, the motive of this article (written by X gursikh) was to prove that without sarbloh, one cannot reach brahmgyan. I do not completely agree with this because Nanaksar Mahapurush were not strict sarblohis and as per my knowledge, ate from non Sikhs also. Not sure of this but they did reach brahmgyani avastha. But 'Khalse di Roti Beti di Saanjh Khalse Naal' is mandatory Rehat of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. @paapiman @Ragmaala Was Baba Nand Singh Ji a sarblohi? Did he also eat from the hands non amritdharis? Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 TAKEN FROM WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM ************************** Sarbloh Bibek - Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars Original Text: ਸਾਨੂੰ ਅਤਿਅੰਤ ਅਫਸੋਸ ਨਾਲ ਕਹਿਣਾ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਾਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕ ਜਥਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਸਾਰ ਮੁਖੀ ਸਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਪੰਜ ਕਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਵਣ ਲਈ ਭੀ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ। ਪਰੰਤੂ ਉਕਤ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦਾ ਸਪਸ਼ਟ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਜਾਣਾ ਏਸ ਗੱਲ ਦਾ ਸਬੂਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਅਸੂਲ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ। (Gurmat Bibek, Page 252) Humble Translation: We have to say this with extreme disappointment that a lot of our Amrit Administering Jathas too have not recognized the supreme importance of Sarbloh otherwise, similar to Punj Kakaars, on the Rehit of Sarbloh too an emphasis would have been applied. But the failure by the aforementioned Amrit Preachers, to clearly preach the Rehit of Sarbloh, is not a proof that Sarbloh is not a Gurmat principle. Vichaar: In the above passage Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee has made it clear that Sarbloh Bibek is a very important Gurmat principle and just because it is not widely preached and followed, is not a proof that it's not a Rehit of Guru Sahib or that we can choose to ignore it. Wearing Dastaar is a Hukam of Guru Sahib but a majority of Sikh women don't wear a Dastaar and from this we should not deduce that wearing a Dastaar is not mandatory for women. Bhai Sahib is clearly saying that Sarbloh Bibek is just as important as wearing Kakaars is. ***************************** Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 TAKEN FROM WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM **************************** Sarbloh Bibek - How bad it is to not keep Sarbloh Bibek How bad it is to not keep Sarbloh Bibek Original Text: ਕੈਸੀ ਅਚਰਜ ਅਣਹੋਣੀ ਅਤੇ ਨਾਕਾਬਲਿ ਬਰਦਾਸ਼ਤ ਵਾਰਤਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਗੁੜ੍ਹਤੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦੀ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਮਿਲੇ, ਗਫੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭੋਜਨ ਦੇ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਵਿਖੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਜਾਣ ਅਤੇ ਕਰਦ ਭੇਟ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਭੁੰਚਣ ਯੋਗ ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ਾਦ ਨੂੰ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭੋਜਨ ਕਰਕੇ, ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕੇ ਜਾਣ ਦੀ ਸਿਖਛਾ ਸਿਖਾਈ ਸ਼ਰਧਾਈ ਜਾਵੇ।… ਪਰੰਤੂ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਮੰਡਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰ ਨਿਕਸਣ ਸਾਰ ਹੀ ਓਹੋ ਪਿਤਲ ਕਾਂਸੀ! ਕੀ ਏਹ ਐਨ ਐਸੀ ਘ੍ਰਿਣਾ ਯੋਗ ਗੱਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜੈਸੇ ਕਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦਾ ਬੁੱਤਾ ਪੂਰਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਏਹ ਬੁੱਤਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਕਰਨ ਸਮੇਂ ਕਛਹਿਰਾ ਸਜਾਈ ਰਖਿਆ, ਫੇਰ ਉਤਾਰ ਘਤਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਓਹੋ ਧੋਤੀ, ਤੰਬੀ, ਲੰਗੋਟੀ। ਜੈਸੇ ਕਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕਕੇ ਕਛਹਿਰੇ ਦੇ ਥਾਉਂ ਆਨਮਤੀ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈ ਬਹੁੜ ਧੋਤੀਪੋਸ਼ ਹੋਣਾ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਦੀ ਖਾਲਸ ਰਹਿਤ ਰਹਿਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਲੀਕ ਲਾਉਣਾ ਹੈ ਤੈਸੀ ਹੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਧਾਰੀ ਹੋਕੇ ਅਤੇ ਓਤਪੋਤ ਪੂਰਨ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਬੀਰ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਬਣਕੇ ਬਾਹੁੜ ਕਾਂਸੀ ਪਿਤਲ ਆਦਿ ਆਨਮਤੀ ਰੀਤ ਗਹਿਕੇ, ਖਾਲਸਈ ਸੂਰਬੀਰਤਾ ਨੂੰ ਲਾਜ ਲਾਉਣਾ ਹੈ। (Gurmat Bibek, Page 252) Humble Translation: What an astonishing and intolerable incident it is that we get our Gudti (first sweet substance that is administered to a newborn child) of Amrit in Sarbloh, morsels (Gaffe) of Amrit-food (Degh) we receive in Sarbloh and through Kirpan we are taught to turn eatable food into Amrit food … but as soon as we get out of the Amrit Sinchaar Mandal (place), we start using same aluminium and brass! Is this action not just as despicable (hate-worthy) as wearing the Kachhera to fulfill the task of getting Amrit and then removing the Kachhera and wearing same Dhoti, Tambi and Langoti. Just as after receiving Amrit, removing Kachhera and becoming Dhoti-wearing is dishonouring the pure Rehit and conduct of Gursikhi, same way, after becoming Amritdhari and becoming Sarblohi Singh Khalsa Bir Bahadur, adopting ways of Aanmati (non-Sikhs) e.g. again using aluminium and brass etc. is dishonouring the Khalsa gallantry or fortitude. Vichaar: This is a very significant passage from Bhai Sahib’s writings, and very strongly in favour of keeping Sarbloh Bibek. Bhai Sahib has equated not keeping Sarbloh Bibek to not wearing Kachhera after becoming Amritdhari. Furthermore, we see that Bhai Sahib has called using other metals for cooking extremely despicable or hate-worthy or loathsome (ਘ੍ਰਿਣਾ ਯੋਗ). This is coming from such person who had reached great zeniths of Sikh mysticism and one who had received Akali-Jyot Saroopi Darshan of the doer of this universe – Vaheguru. Now we can see why Bhai Sahib held on to the Rehit of Sarbloh Bibek even in extremely difficult conditions in jail. Bhai Sahib showed to the world that a Sikh by the Kirpa of Guru Sahib, can keep Rehit under all conditions. If Sarbloh was an optional Rehit, what was the need for Bhai Sahib to go through such hardships? The bottomline is that Sarbloh and all other Rehits of Guru Sahib are a must for a Gursikh who is serious of getting somewhere spiritually. The emphasis at this time is being placed on Sarbloh Bibek because a lot of Panth today has forgotten and ignored this important Rehit. If Rehits like 5 Kakaars or 4 Bajjar Kurehits had been in similar situation as Sarbloh Bibek, the emphasis would have been placed on these Rehits as well. All Rehits are important for a Gursikh to follow. ***************************** This was the most convincing point for me to believe that Sarbloh is the mandatory Rehat of Khalsa. Trimandeep Singh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Daas would also like to expand more on Sarbloh Marayada. I am a moorakh and not at all rehitvaan but I would like to share my knowledge with sangat on this forum. First of all I would like to name some Gursikh Mahapurush who were strict Sarblohis. All Nihang Samprada Mahapurush, Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, Dr. Surinder Singh Ji, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, Taksaal Mahapurakhs, Bau Mal Singh Ji etc. Many people think that Sarbloh Rehat means eating food in a sarbloh utensil. But it is far far away from that. Sarbloh Rehat: 1. Food should be cooked by you or a Rehitvaan Naam Abhiyaasi Gursikh only while reading bani. 2. Before cooking, place should be cleaned to maintain sucham. 3. Outside food not allowed to be consumed. Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji's Rehatnaama states that a Sikh should not have the following people in their rasoi (kitchen) - qurehtia (patit), person who's not wearing dastaar, a gambler, a thief, a smoker/alcoholic, a person wearing cap. ਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਸਿਖ, ਸਰਦਾਰ ਹੋਵੇ, ਸ਼ਾਹੂਕਾਰ ਹੋਵੇ, ਮੁਸੱਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ, ਆਪਣੇ ਲੰਗਰ ਰਸੋਈ ਵਿਚ ਸਿਖ ਰਖੇ। ਹੁਕਈ, ਟੋਪੀਆ, ਭਾਦਣੀ, ਚੋਰ, ਯਾਰ, ਜੂਏਬਾਜ਼, ਕੁਰਹਿਤੀਆ ਨਾ ਰਖੇ। (ਰਹਿਤਨਾਮਾ ਭਾਈ ਚੌਪਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੮੫) TRANSALATION: A guru's Sikh whether he is a leader/chief, businessman or scholar should have only a Sikh in his Langar rasoi (kitchen). He shouldn't have a smoker, cap wearing person, Mona (person with shaved hairs), thief, immoral person, gambler, qurehtia (bemukh/patit/apostate) in his kitchen. (Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji's Rehatnaama) 4. Food should be cooked from scratch. Ingredients like salt, pepper, wheat, vegetables, fruits obviously have to be purchased from outside. But breads/creams/sauces need to be made at home. 5. I don't know any sarblohi sangat near me so I don't have much knowledge. Right now I am just keeping the Rehat of not eating from hands of smokers or alcoholics and eat food prepared at home only from scratch. No outside products used. When I learn to cook food, then I hope I will be able to become a proper sarblohi singh. Guru sahib kirpa karan Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 VERY INSPIRING AND MOTIVATING POST BY A GURSIKH ON SARBLOH. THIS GURISKH WROTE THIS AS AN ADVICE TO A PERSON WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO FIGHT KAAM (LUST). ********************************** Now why daas is telling to do this Here is the reason deen duniya de malak guru gobind singh ordained sikhs to keep sarbloh bibek Reason. - SARBLOH (PURE IRON) is immune from kalyug., SarBloh is the ONLY WEAKNESS OF KALYUG READ this dasam granth ki bani. Sarb kaal ki sada rachymne humne Sarbloh ki sada rachya humne The god is my protector The all iron lord is forever my PROTECTOR READ SARBLOH GRANTH. IN that sarbloh all iron lord came and saved devtas from daint as we know this whole world is maya Kalyug has the only one way to enter humans That is through food Food eaten is plastic aluminuim steel is devastting to health but collects negative energy from atmosphere that is kalyug Thats y the whole world is suferung from DISEASES MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY REMEMBER if give full pehra of sarblob and nothing else from outside u are immune from panj chor FOODS ALLOWED Cheru, Havis Annam, milk, wheat, barley, bread, ghee, butter, dried ginger, green gram, potatoes, dates, plantains, curd, almonds and fruits are all Sattvic articles of food. Cheru is a mixture of boiled white rice, ghee, white sugar and milk. Havis Annam is also a similar preparation. This is very useful for spiritual aspirants. Milk is a perfect food by itself, containing as it does, the different nutritive constituents in a well balanced proportion. T Fruits are great energy producers. Bananas, grapes, sweet oranges, apples, pomegranates and mangoes are wholesome and nutritious. Dry fruits such as grapes, raisins, dates and figs, sweet fresh fruits such as bananas, mangoes, Sapotas, melons, limes, pineapples, apples, wood apples and sweet pomegranates, sugar and sugar-candy, honey, sago, arrowroot, milk, butter and ghee tender coconut water, coconut, almonds, pistachio nuts, Toor Dhal, Ragi, barley, maize, wheat, rice of red paddy whose bran is only partly removed and rice of good smell or sweet taste, and all preparations from any of these grains, and white pumpkin are Sattvic articles.. Foods NOT ALLOWED (FORBIDDEN) Highly seasoned dishes, hot curries, Chutnies, chillies, meat, fish, eggs, tobacco, liquor, sour articles, oil of all kinds, garlic, onions, bitter things, sour curd, stale food, acids, astringents, pungent stuffs, roasted things, over-ripe FRUITSs, are not at all beneficial. Onions and garlic are worse than meat. . , sprouted grains, ll sorts of chillies, Things fried in oil or ghee, pickles of all sorts, fried rice, , tea, coffee, cocoa, all kinds of foods that are dry and burning, foods that are bitter, sour, saline, over-hot and pungent, tobacco and its preparations, foods and drinks containing liquor or narcotic drugs such as opium and bhang, food preparations which are stale or have become cold subsequent to their removal from the hearth or which have lost their natural taste, smell, colour or form, or which are remnants after being eaten away by other persons, animals, birds or insects, or which contain dust, hair, straw or other rubbish, are either Rajasic or Tamasic by nature. Lemon juice, rock salt, ginger and white pepper can be used in moderation. No junk fast foods forever Sant bhindrawale g always ate daal made with salt and ghee..in sarbloh thats it. Dhan bhai randhir singh g Kept sarbloh bibek in jail for 16 yrs remember . When he was shifted to jail For forty days he didnt eat anything even water Bcoz there was no iron utensil Jailor took every measure to extreme to make bhai sahb eat food from other utensil but he didnot Jailor tied him beat him to death Broke his FRONT TEETH but he didnot.. After that sarbloh was brought to jail and then bhai sahb prepared food and ate Now. U can think there might be SOME VERYY VERY STRONG REASON BEHIND SARBLOH ONE THING DAAS CAN DEFINETLY SAY SIKH WILL NEVER PROGRESS to extraordinary hight in SPRITUALLITY without sarbloh Like singhs in past used to have like sant bhindrawale h bhai randhir singh g These are some of the reasons daas know There mighe be million reasons Only dasmesh pita guru gobind singh knows AFFECT OF BANI ON sarbloh. We all know bani is energy and it has a effect on water making it amrit Its greatest affect is on iron Thats y satguru made amrit in sarbloh bata We know iron gets charged as it contain magnetic property Khalsa g with bani recited on iron it gets heavilly charged Now IMAGINE BANI RECITED ON A SIKH whos wholle body is every part even minutest part His whole body made of iron What would be the effect on such person Think?? Eating in sarbloh one will feel in about 2 months that his or her concentration is marvelous just like a laser light no mind wavering So a sikh can recite bani with concentration Iron attracts OXYGEN LIFE GIVING GAS Now imagine just think IRON in every pore of gursikh carrying full oxygen in every part of body and to brain especially in full mode Needed for. Peaceful meditative mind A sarblohi can run 50km without any stress because of full blow of oxygen to body amazing the worldly people how he can do that Iron makes the negative paarticles convert to postive hence protecting body U can see the whole world uses chemicalls Pesticides fertillizers killing millions Who will save us from this?? Answer- sarbloh.. . Thanks to sarbloh a precious gift from my lord damesh pita Bardoalam shaha guru gobind singh Shahe shehansha guru gobind singh Khalsa g this is all dass personal experience One should tie hightend dastar bunga and keep SARBLOB CHAKAR (ROUND PURE IRON DISC) AND SHARP KNIFE ON HEAD same reason for protection from kalyugi forces sprtuall attacts Same reason food made in sarbloh utensil is immune from panj chor and doot of kalyug The problem is now a days nobody knows this All are following there own bibeks. Because some bad forces forces are trying to kill sikhi sikh kom They know sikh are powerful beyond imagination So they took sarbloh from sikhi SABLOH IS THE BACKBONE OF SIKHI Sarbloh sikhi di neeh h IT GIVES HEALTH. Physically and mentally and spritually to sikh kom Sikh should keep more and more pure iron weapons with him If not satisfied or any doubt on my words then Read about sikhs 300 years ago ''each one of them is having body like rock and giant in health and each one is equal to fifty men' ' ''it is said behram khan killed wid asses but even if he would come face to face to them (sikhs) even he would bow before them '' Other one - '' nobody can stand against them They come roaring to battles it takes no time for them to get battle from hind to sind'' Eh tarrifa san sikh kom dia ****************************** I completely agree with this post except the point garlic and onion are worse than meat. The gursikh who wrote this post was well appreciated but also criticised for mixing ayurvedic philosophy into Gurmat Sarbloh Maryada. Onion and garlic are safe, no harm. Trimandeep Singh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bachan on Sarbloh. Taken from Tapoban.Org *************************** The Evidence - Sarbloh Rehat Bachan Singh Sagar Granth is solely based on the life of Guru Gobind Singh Jee written in Brij language following on from the ‘Bilas’ parampara of writings. A copy of this Granth is kept at Moti Bagh Library Patiala ref no 102 it has 250 pages of content. The evidence of Sarbloh Rehat appears in the 12th chapter of Chamkaur Judh. The Bachan of Sarbloh Rehat is given after meeting Pir Muhammad. Guru Gobind Singh Jee has been recorded to have said the following Vaach-Bachan ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਵਾਚ ਚੌਪਈ ਤਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਇਹ ਵਾਕ ਉਚਾਰੇ ਹਾਲੀ ਜਾ ਜਬ ਖੇਤ ਮਝਾਰੇ I ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਕੀ ਫਾਲੀ ਭਈ I ਖੇਤ ਲੁਣਨ (ਕੱਟਣਾ) ਦਾਤੀ ਲੋਹ ਲਈ II ੭੭ II ਗਾਹਿ ਨਾਜੁ ਜਬ ਮਿਣਨੇ ਲਾਰੋ ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਾ(ਖਾਣਾ) ਲੋਹ ਮੇ ਪਗ ਲਤਾਰੋ I ਤਾਸ ਤੀਆ ਜਬ ਛੜਨੈਂ ਗਈ I ਮੂਸਲ ਸਿਯਾਂਮ ਲੋਹ ਨਿਰਮਈ II ੭੮ II ਚੱਕੀ ਲਗੀ ਪੀਸਣੈਂ ਦਾਣੇ I ਕਿੱਲੀ ਲੋਹ ਸਕਲ ਜਗੁ ਜਾਣੇ I ਮੋਇ ਮੈਦਾ ਜਬ ਤਾਮੁ (ਭਾਂਡਾ) ਬਢਾਇਯੋ I ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਕਾ ਤਵਾ ਤਪਾਇਯੋ II ੭੯ II ਜਬੈ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਭੇਟ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣਾ I ਤਬ ਹੀ ਹੋਤ ਰਵਾ (ਜਾਇਜ਼) ਯਾਹਿ ਖਾਂਣਾ I ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮਾਂਹਿ ਮੁਰੀਦ ਹਮਾਰੇ I ਕਰਦ ਫੇਰ ਸਭ ਕਰਤ ਅਹਾਰੇ II ੮੦ II Here Guru Gobind Singh Jee starts off by illustrating the role of a Farmer in his fields explaining that Sarbloh is the tool to employ for his Khalsa to carry out his routine in the same way a Farmer would use his tool to cut his fields. Guru Jee further explains that food needs to placed in Loh (Iron) and that Loh (Iron) is the medium in which negativity is crushed. Guru Jee also mentions the need to do Kripan Bhet in order to make the food worthy for consumption. ***************************** ਜਬੈ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਭੇਟ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣਾ I ਤਬ ਹੀ ਹੋਤ ਰਵਾ (ਜਾਇਜ਼) ਯਾਹਿ ਖਾਂਣਾ I @paapiman @Ragmaala here's a bachan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji on doing Kirpan bhet before eating food. Trimandeep Singh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Many people think that Sarbloh Rehat means eating food in a sarbloh utensil. But it is far far away from that. JFYI bro, there are two separate Rehats (Obviously, they are related to each other). One is Sarabloh Rehat and other is Bibek Rehat. One could be a Bibeki, and not Sarablohi and vice versa. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: garlic and onion are worse than meat. It's off-topic, but, JFYI, it is very likely that many Mahapurakhs advise Gursikhs to avoid garlic and onion. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Was Baba Nand Singh Ji a sarblohi? Did he also eat from the hands non amritdharis? Most likely, Sant Baba Nand Singh jee was a Bibeki, but not Sarablohi. @Ragmaala - Please do comment. Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, paapiman said: One is Sarabloh Rehat and other is Bibek Rehat. One could be a Bibeki, and not Sarablohi and vice versa. Well, Bibek is very broad term. It had many sub types like Simran bibek, Rehat bibek, sarbloh bibek etc. According to Gurmat Bibek Gursikhs and Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, sarbloh is guru sahib's Rehat and everyone should follow it or atleast strive to follow it. A Bibeki is someone who keeps all Rehat or follows most of Rehat (and striving to follow others), who does naam bhagti etc. Basically, close to perfect Sikh, lol. One who is not sarblohi CAN'T be called a bibeki. One who is Bibeki SHOULD be sarblohi. And you may have read in the previous post that nowadays sampradas have developed their own version and definition of Bibek. So, we don't know which is the MOST ACCURATE definition of Bibek and who can be called a Bibeki. LET'S LEAVE IT HERE ONLY. Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Well, Bibek is very broad term. You are right, but please let's just focus on Food Bibek in this topic only. Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: One who is not sarblohi CAN'T be called a bibeki. One who is Bibeki SHOULD be sarblohi. You can be a Sarablohi, that is, eat food only in Iron utensils, but not be Bibeki (if you eat food prepared by non-Amritdharis). Likewise, you can be a Bibeki, that is eat food only prepared by Amritdharis, but not a Sarablohi (if you eat in non-Sarabloh utensils). Hope you get the point (based on Food Bibek). Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, paapiman said: You can be a Sarablohi, that is, eat food only in Iron utensils, but not be Bibeki (if you eat food prepared by non-Amritdharis). This is what I was saying. We can say Sarbloh Bibek is a stricter Dietary Bibek. A person who eats outside food prepared by non Sikhs in Sarbloh utensils CANNOT be called sarblohi. Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, paapiman said: Likewise, you can be a Bibeki, that is eat food only prepared by Amritdharis, but not a Sarablohi (if you eat in non-Sarabloh utensils Not sure about this. Different definitions and versions of bibek in Khalsa Panth. Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Not sure about this. Different definitions and versions of bibek in Khalsa Panth. Trimandeep Singh Daas is almost certain that there are Gursikhs out there, who eat food prepared by Amritdharis only, but don't always eat in Sarabloh utensils. Those Gursikhs will definitely classify as Bibeki Singhs. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: A person who eats outside food prepared by non Sikhs in Sarbloh utensils CANNOT be called sarblohi. You can call him Sarablohi Singh, but you cannot call him a Sarablohi Bibeki. That's the point. How can you not call him Sarablohi? For example, if you are an Amritdhari, but let's assume that your mother is not. She prepares food for you in Sarabloh utensils and you always eat food prepared in Sarabloh utensils, then you are a Sarablohi, but, in this case, you are not a Sarabloh Bibeki nor a Bibeki. Anyways, let's focus more on the main idea here, that is the benefits of Sarabloh Maryada. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said: Not sure about this. Different definitions and versions of bibek in Khalsa Panth. Trimandeep Singh Well, let's keep the definitions simple. A Bibeki Sikh is a Sikh, who always eats food, which is prepared by Amritdharis (who recite Gurbani while preparing food). A Sarablohi Sikh is a Sikh, who always eats food prepared in Sarabloh utensils. A Sarablohi Bibeki Sikh is a Sikh, who always eats food, which is prepared by Amritdharis (who recite Gurbani while preparing food) and who only eats food prepared in Sarabloh utensils. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 @Trimandeep Singh - Daas changed the name of the topic. We can discuss both Sarabloh and Bibek Maryadas in this thread. It is possible that Bibek Maryada was also followed by the ancient Rikhis and Sadhus. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said: ਜਬੈ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਭੇਟ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣਾ I ਤਬ ਹੀ ਹੋਤ ਰਵਾ (ਜਾਇਜ਼) ਯਾਹਿ ਖਾਂਣਾ I @paapiman @Ragmaala here's a bachan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji on doing Kirpan bhet before eating food. Thanks for letting me know, but is there a specific reason to why you quoted Daas in it? Kirpan Bhet to food is a very basic concept in Sikhism. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said: This was the most convincing point for me to believe that Sarbloh is the mandatory Rehat of Khalsa. IMHO, it is not a Mandatory Rehat. It is extremely difficult for any ordinary Amritdhari Sikh to follow all the Rehats (mentioned in all the Puratan Rehatname). Even, the Singhs from Gurmat Bibek don't follow all the Rehats. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 6 hours ago, paapiman said: Well, let's keep the definitions simple. A Bibeki Sikh is a Sikh, who always eats food, which is prepared by Amritdharis (who recite Gurbani while preparing food). A Sarablohi Sikh is a Sikh, who always eats food prepared in Sarabloh utensils. A Sarablohi Bibeki Sikh is a Sikh, who always eats food, which is prepared by Amritdharis (who recite Gurbani while preparing food) and who only eats food prepared in Sarabloh utensils. Bhul chuk maaf Bhai sahib, as I said in my previous post, Bibek is very broad term. It not only contains Dietary Bibek but Simran Bibek also. I would paste an article of a gursikh here regarding Bibek. Edit: @paapiman ji, here's a post taken from GurmatBibek.com about relationship between Rehat Bibek and Simran Bibek. ***************************** Relationship between Simran Bibek and Rehit Bibek Bhai Sahib on Simran Bibek and Rehit Bibek Original Text: ਪੂਰਨ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਦੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਇਕ ਅੰਗ ਉਤੇ ਹੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਦਾ ਸਾਰਾ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦੇਣਹਾਰੇ ਅਸਲ ਮੰਜ਼ਲ ਉਤੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਅਪੜ ਸਕਦੇ। ਖਾਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਸਾਰ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੇ ਸਹਾਈ ਸਾਧਨ ਸੰਪੰਨ ਕਿਸੇ ਇਕ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਮ ਨੂੰ ਫੜਕੇ, ਉਸੇ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਤੇ ਸਾਰਾ ਤਾਣ ਲਾਈ ਰਖਣਾ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਕਮਾਉਣਹਾਰੇ ਨੁੰ ਇਸ ਧੋਖੇ ਵਿਚ ਫਸਾ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਓਹ ਓਸੇ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਮ ਨੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਰ ਕਰਮ ਸਮਝਣ ਲੱਗ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਓਹ ਅਸਲ ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨੇ ਤੋਂ ਉਕ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਉਕਿਆ ਹੀ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਖਾਨ ਪਾਨ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਅਸੂਲ ਦੇ ਸੰਜਮੀ ਜੋ ਏਸੇ ਸੰਜਮ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਪਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਸਮਝਣ ਲੱਗ ਤਾਂ ਏਹ ਓਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਅਧੋਗਤੀ ਨੁੰ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਭੁਲ ਹੈ। ਏਸ ਦੇ ਉਲਟ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਇਹ ਭੀ ਚਾਹੇ ਕਿ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਾਧਨ ਸੰਪੰਨ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਦੇ ਸਾਰ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਵਾਲੀ ਉਚੀ ਮੁਖਿ ਮੰਜ਼ਲ ਇਕ ਦਮ ਪਰਾਪਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਏਗੀ ਇਹ ਭੀ ਕੱਚਾ ਅਤੇ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਖਿਆਲ ਹੈ। Humble Translation: To stress on only one part of complete Bibek, does not allow such person to reach the destination (spiritual destination). In particular, to hold on to one of the aiding Karam (Rehit Karams) of Supreme Sifat-Salah Karam (Naam Karam) and to put all effort on earning this aiding Karam, entangles such person in a deception (Dhokha) that he starts considering this particular Bibek Karam to be the supreme Karam and because of this, he gets led away from the main aim and stays away from the main aim. The ones who follow the discipline of dietary Bibek and start thinking that this discipline or restraint alone is the supreme Karam, then this mistake becomes the cause of their fall. Contrary to this (aforementioned), if someone wants to quickly achieve the high destinations of Sifat-Salaah Bibek, without keeping the aiding Bibek Karams (Rehit and Hukams other than Naam and Gurbani), then this too is an unripe and a vain thought. Vichaar: Bhai Sahib has very diligently put forward a very important thought about relationship between Simran Bibek and Rehit Bibek. Basically what Bhai Sahib is saying is that Simran Bibek is the supreme Karam that Gurmukhs should do but to be able to do Simran Bibek, the aiding Karams, which are called Rehit Bibek Karams, are required to be done. Bhai Sahib makes it clear that the main aim is Simran Bibek but sometimes, some Gursikhs who follow Rehit Bibek, start thinking that one part of their Rehit Bibek e.g. Dietary Bibek is the supreme Karam and they start putting all their efforts in keeping this Bibek and unwittingly ignore the Simran Bibek. Bhai Sahib is saying that this results in their spiritual downfall. On the other hand, if someone wants to do Simran Bibek i.e. do the supreme Karam of Sifat-Salah of Vaheguru, without keeping Rehit-Bibek, then too they are unlikely to meet success. While Rehit Bibek is not the supreme Karam but at the same time it is the vital Karam that is required to earn the supreme Karam of Sifat Salah or Simran. Some people ask what happens to the Naam Kamaaee of people who don’t keep Rehit Bibek. The answer is what happens to the milk that is poured in a utensil that has many holes? The milk all drains out of the holes. Same way, the Naam Kamaaee and Gurbani Kamaaee of people who don’t obey Guru Sahib’s Hukam of keeping Rehit, gets wasted in compensating for not keeping Rehit. First of all, ones who don’t obey Guru Sahib’s Hukam of keeping Rehit, are unable to do real Kamaaee of Naam and Gurbani but if due to their past spiritual Kamaaee, they are able to do Kamaaee, it gets wasted to compensate for the sins earned by not obeying Guru Sahibs Hukam of keeping Rehit. Simran Bibek is a treasure and Rehit Bibek is the protection or security of this treasure. Now, if one has all kind of security and protection walls to protect the treasure, but no treasure at all, then what good is the effort to keep such security? Same way, if there is treasure but no security, then it is likely to get stolen. So both treasure and security is required. A Sikh must obey all Hukams of Guru Sahib including the supreme Hukam of Simran Bibek and aiding Hukam of Rehit Bibek. Gursikhi is about obeying Guru Sahib's Hukams. ***************************** Daas would also like to add that there are other types of bibek too. Akhaan (eyes) da Bibek: How a gursikh perceives or sees something. A kalyugi may see a woman with kaam but a gursikh sees a daughter, sister or a mother in another sex. Kannan (Ears) da Bibek: What a gursikh hears and listens too. A gursikh never listens to ninda or chugli and tries to listen to Amrit bani only at all times. Mooh (mouth) da bibek: A gursikh never swears or abuses with the same mouth he/she uses to recite Baani. There can be many more. These were just to name a few. Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimandeep Singh Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 4 hours ago, paapiman said: Thanks for letting me know, but is there a specific reason to why you quoted Daas in it? Kirpan Bhet to food is a very basic concept in Sikhism. Bhul chuk maaf In another thread, I told you about opinions of Sikh scholars and mahapurush on offering of degh and eatables to guru Granth sahib Ji. Well, I don't think kirpan bhet is a widely practiced Maryada. Is it done in Damdami Taksaal? I am not sure about it. Many Sikh scholars have different opinions on it and I am neutral on this topic. I just wanted you to know about this puraatan evidence of kirpan bhet. Trimandeep Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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