Sarabloh and Bibek Maryadas

[Guransh SIngh]

3 hours ago, paapiman said:

@Guransh SIngh

Even though Sarabloh Bibek is not a compulsory Rehat, Amrtidhari Sikhs must strive to become Sarabloh Bibeki one day.

Gurparsaad, Daas will also try to become a Sarabloh Bibeki one day or at least Sarablohi.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes but if sikh saints don't strive to be Sarabloh bibeki,  then is it really that important. Because Guru jee has repeated many times,  without love and naam we can never find nirankaar jee

[SunnySingh]

5 hours ago, Guransh SIngh said:

without love and naam we can never find nirankaar jee

Thank you bhaa jee, for this wonderful affirmation above, it is the only truth.

For unless we strive to be one only with that ultimate Truth/Nam/Satnam, it would sadly mean we are still confused of what is all about that to be one with IT.

As long one has any other ideas of oneself or others, we are much away from that TRUTH.

When the rays emanate from that one SUN, irrespective of where they fall upon, all carry the warmth, the light, the purity of it, and at end of the day, all the rays return back and merge in the SUN.

Due to the paraphernalia of maya and koor, the jeevas remain confused and delueded within the 4 walls of the mind.

Unless one crosses the limits of the mind, one will not realize that one has to leave behind all those coverings which hold us back here in the mayavee realms.

For God realization, one first needs self realization as jeev atma, in order to know what our true spiritual nature is and then proceed towards that infinite and limitless Truth of Nam.

If He is an infinte ocean of Truth, each of us, are a drop of the Truth, irrespective of jaat, paat, color, creed, dharam, genders or nationalities.

It is just a matter of realization of what that Truth is, and then do the needful only (bhakti) to merge in IT.

[GurjantGnostic]

Is Sarbloh Bibek required for Sanjog or Mukte? No. 

Is it advised by the Guru and highly beneficial? Yes. 

Miri and Piri. Saint and Sipahi. 

[paapiman]

9 hours ago, Guransh SIngh said:

Yes but if sikh saints don't strive to be Sarabloh bibeki,  then is it really that important.

Ordinary Amritdhari Sikhs are not all Saints. We need to strive to follow as many Rehats as possible. It is extremely difficult to follow all Rehats, but one must keep trying. The Rehats are there to help a person on his spiritual journey. If a person loves Sri Satguru jee. then he will try to follow the Hukams of Maharaaj.

Gurmukh Brahamgyanis are not bound to Rehat Maryada, as they have merged with Sri Waheguru jee. 

 

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਬੰਧਨ ਤੇ ਮੁਕਤਾ ॥

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 6/13/2021 at 9:29 PM, paapiman said:

@Trimandeep Singh - Bro, can you please list all the benefits of following the Sarabloh and Bibek Maryadas?

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Waheguru Ji

Bhai Randhir Singh Ji wrote a book called Gurmat Bibek that might help in your research. Here is the link Waheguru Waheguru

Gurmat Bibek

[Mooorakh]

If we try follow all rehats we Will only be concentrating on the tann NOT mann Such a KARAM KANDI jeevan WILL LEAD US To PANDITISM ... What a waste of sikhi jeevan. 

Only rehat recommended is to save oneself from negativity of NINDYA, chugli and maintain proper - suchamta- hygiene. .. Iron was good(best) till steel wasn't created. 

Bhakti, prem padaarth, naam, nirgun darshan are our goals.. Inner amrit is the source of khumari... Sikhi is inside. Karam kaands -- are a big no no

[paapiman]

Any Karam done without love and devotion (of Sri Waheguru jee) will become a Karam Kaand.

That does not mean that we must start ignoring Physical Rehats. What we do with our bodies (especially repeatedly) might have a strong effect on our minds.

Obviously, the primary focus of practicing Sikhs must be on Gurbani (on its recitation and application in real life). Any Physical Rehat, which becomes an hindrance in your spiritual journey, can be sidelined.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Guransh SIngh]

4 hours ago, paapiman said:

Any Karam done without love and devotion (of Sri Waheguru jee) will become a Karam Kaand.

That does not mean that we must start ignoring Physical Rehats. What we do with our bodies (especially repeatedly) might have a strong effect on our minds.

Obviously, the primary focus of practicing Sikhs must be on Gurbani (on its recitation and application in real life). Any Physical Rehat, which becomes an hindrance in your spiritual journey, can be sidelined.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Veerji apologies for what I wrote earlier. I talked with a Behengam and he said that Sikhs should atlwast be Bibeki if not following a Sarbloh Bibek. We should not eat from restaurants often and totally avoid unhygienic food since it has a affect on our mind and our avastha. Eating jhootha of a non amritdhari is totally prohibited in Gursikhi, if it happens take maafi from Guru jee and partake amrit again after doing whatever dand panj pyares tell.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Sat Kartar

[paapiman]

On 11/8/2021 at 2:55 AM, Guransh SIngh said:

Veerji apologies for what I wrote earlier. I talked with a Behengam and he said that Sikhs should atlwast be Bibeki if not following a Sarbloh Bibek. We should not eat from restaurants often and totally avoid unhygienic food since it has a affect on our mind and our avastha. Eating jhootha of a non amritdhari is totally prohibited in Gursikhi, if it happens take maafi from Guru jee and partake amrit again after doing whatever dand panj pyares tell.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Sat Kartar

No problem bro.

If a person is thinking about Vikars, while preparing food, then that (thinking process) has a subtle effect on the food. Any person who eats that food might feel the negative effect of the Vikars on his/her mind. For example, if someone is doing Ninda while preparing food, then the consumption of that food might effect your mind and you might also feel like doing Ninda of someone (whom you don't like).

That is why, Bibek Rehat is very important. Amritdharis should do Naam Simran, while preparing food. Amritdharis must never eat Jhoota of anyone.

According to a Purantan Rehatnama, a Behangam Singh must also avoid eating food prepared by a lady (possibly other than your mother, sister, etc).

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Soulfinder]

Dass saw this on YouTube today and it looks like a amazing place

 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 3/14/2022 at 4:04 PM, Soulfinder said:

Dass saw this on YouTube today and it looks like a amazing place

 

Ooooohhhhh that's fantastic. Exactly the people you want to see running it too. Looked at their site. It's awesome. 

[Soulfinder]

8 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Ooooohhhhh that's fantastic. Exactly the people you want to see running it too. Looked at their site. It's awesome. 

100% agree with you veer ji its really nice seeing this especially as this sort of parchar is needed a lot.

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 6/14/2021 at 12:39 PM, Soulfinder said:

@Trimandeep Singh @paapiman fellow veers dass after a quick google search found out that Budha Dal keep bibek rehat especially purtan nihang dal mahapurshs such as Baba Chet Singh Ji, Baba Mitt Singh Ji

Waheguru Ji

Nihang Singhs also keep Sarbloh Rehat. Nihangs in this video explain why 

 

 

[ipledgeblue]

On 6/14/2021 at 7:42 AM, paapiman said:

JFYI bro, there are two separate Rehats (Obviously, they are related to each other).

One is Sarabloh Rehat and other is Bibek Rehat.

One could be a Bibeki, and not Sarablohi and vice versa.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

On 6/14/2021 at 6:04 AM, Trimandeep Singh said:

TAKEN FROM 

WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM

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Sarbloh Bibek - Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars

Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars

Original Text: ਸਾਨੂੰ ਅਤਿਅੰਤ ਅਫਸੋਸ ਨਾਲ ਕਹਿਣਾ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਾਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕ ਜਥਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਸਾਰ ਮੁਖੀ ਸਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਪੰਜ ਕਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਵਣ ਲਈ ਭੀ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ। ਪਰੰਤੂ ਉਕਤ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦਾ ਸਪਸ਼ਟ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਜਾਣਾ ਏਸ ਗੱਲ ਦਾ ਸਬੂਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਅਸੂਲ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ। (Gurmat Bibek, Page 252)

Humble Translation: We have to say this with extreme disappointment that a lot of our Amrit Administering Jathas too have not recognized the supreme importance of Sarbloh otherwise, similar to Punj Kakaars, on the Rehit of Sarbloh too an emphasis would have been applied. But the failure by the aforementioned Amrit Preachers, to clearly preach the Rehit of Sarbloh, is not a proof that Sarbloh is not a Gurmat principle.

Vichaar: In the above passage Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee has made it clear that Sarbloh Bibek is a very important Gurmat principle and just because it is not widely preached and followed, is not a proof that it's not a Rehit of Guru Sahib or that we can choose to ignore it. Wearing Dastaar is a Hukam of Guru Sahib but a majority of Sikh women don't wear a Dastaar and from this we should not deduce that wearing a Dastaar is not mandatory for women. Bhai Sahib is clearly saying that Sarbloh Bibek is just as important as wearing Kakaars is.

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Trimandeep Singh 

 

On 6/14/2021 at 1:26 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

This myth/popular opinion that some rehats are mandatory and some are optional is not in line with Gurmat.

Either it is Rehat or it is not. Simple. And nowhere in any of the Rehatnamey, is it mentioned that 'this' Rehat is optional.

A Sikh should try to do Kamaayi of all Rehats and hukams or at least strive to follow them.

I think they are one of the most dedicated gursikhs today who are doing so much for the panth. I don't think they are dhille in following any Rehat. They are Panj Granthi nitnemis, 24/7 baana even at work, strict sarblohis, always are adorned with Shastars and other strict Rehats. If you think Jhatka,havan etc is REHAT then please give evidence from Rehatnamey. As per my knowledge, they are not a HUKAM of guru sahib. (They are also against Jhatka and Havan)

Trimandeep Singh 

do these jatha groups who claim to follow sarbloh bibek follow it properly such as drinking water from a well? In Budha Dal, I think about jeevans such baba Surjit Singh used to keep Sarbloh bibek and it was only small numbers of Singhs who keep sarbloh bibek rehit. In Canada, due to lack of wells, some Nihang Singhs keep a different bibek. I know about naamdharis in India keeping Sarbloh Bibek and drinking water from a well only.

Anyone claiming to follow Sarbloh Bibek without using water from wells is lying to us!!!

Havan is actually mentioned in Dohira read with Brahm Kavach. Jhatka and shikaar is maryada encouraged by Guru Hargobind Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh.

As evidenced from their youtube channel,  Gurmat bibek does not have a strict rehit for reading Chaupai Sahib bani and read Kabyo Baach Benti Chaupai in the same shankawadi manner as most of the rest of AKJ and also same as the minimum found in SGPC maryada. If a sikh does shanka on dasam bani and cannot even complete kabyo baach benti before Arril, and makes excuses such as the bentiyaan already being finished, then what good are trying to be strict on some other rehits? These groups think it's ok to butcher Chaupai Sahib and Raagmala because they follow vegeterianism!

The fact that they dress up as Nihang Singhs yet are not prepared to give respect to Chaupai Sahib bani as true bana wearers like Budha Dal and Tarna Dal, that is insulting and admin cut behaviour.

On 3/14/2022 at 11:04 PM, Soulfinder said:

Dass saw this on YouTube today and it looks like a amazing place

 

 

On 3/19/2022 at 4:01 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

Ooooohhhhh that's fantastic. Exactly the people you want to see running it too. Looked at their site. It's awesome. 

no you don't, they are sikhs who pretend to dress up Nihangs and going to teach these poor kids how to butcher Chaupai Sahib and do shanka of Raagmala as well! It's a shame they call it dashmesh khalsa school when they don't even respect dasam bani!

[GurjantGnostic]

3 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

no you don't, they are sikhs who pretend to dress up Nihangs and going to teach these poor kids how to butcher Chaupai Sahib and do shanka of Raagmala as well! It's a shame they call it dashmesh khalsa school when they don't even respect dasam bani

Good points of criticism. 

But given that Nihangs don't run everything, this is a pretty solid group to have educate your children. I mean we disagree with them about three things...we disagree with white public school how many times?

[ipledgeblue]

6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Good points of criticism. 

But given that Nihangs don't run everything, this is a pretty solid group to have educate your children. I mean we disagree with them about three things...we disagree with white public school how many times?

I still dunno, it's not really a good idea to go to a school that enforces a cult ideology!

[GurjantGnostic]

1 minute ago, ipledgeblue said:

I still dunno, it's not really a good idea to go to a school that enforces a cult ideology!

Which one doesn't?

[Sajjan_Thug]

13 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

 

As evidenced from their youtube channel,  Gurmat bibek does not have a strict rehit for reading Chaupai Sahib bani and read Kabyo Baach Benti Chaupai in the same shankawadi manner as most of the rest of AKJ and also same as the minimum found in SGPC maryada.

At least their reading the bani, which is more then what the panth is doing?  We should encourage them and build them up not destroy them.  

 

Someone mentioned that the length of Chaupai Sahib varies from sampradays.  The Taksali, Budha Dal and Hazur Sahib lengths are different.  Hazur Sahib has the longest and Taksali one is shortest of the three.  Is this true?

 

Why haven't Nihang Singhs opened their own schools. What stopping them?

[paapiman]

19 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

I know about naamdharis in India keeping Sarbloh Bibek and drinking water from a well only.

Are you serious bro? 

Naamdhariye are also very strict in doing Keshi Ishaan (along with body) daily. 

Daas heard in a katha that they are very strict on Sucham Maryada too.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Someone mentioned that the length of Chaupai Sahib varies from sampradays.  The Taksali, Budha Dal and Hazur Sahib lengths are different.  Hazur Sahib has the longest and Taksali one is shortest of the three.  Is this true?

You are right (your first point). The length of Sri Chaupai saab varies for different Sampradas. Same with Sri Kirtan Sohela saab. Nanaksar and Sri Hajoor saab have a long Sri Sohela saab.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[ipledgeblue]

On 7/29/2022 at 1:50 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:

At least their reading the bani, which is more then what the panth is doing?  We should encourage them and build them up not destroy them.  

 

Someone mentioned that the length of Chaupai Sahib varies from sampradays.  The Taksali, Budha Dal and Hazur Sahib lengths are different.  Hazur Sahib has the longest and Taksali one is shortest of the three.  Is this true?

 

Why haven't Nihang Singhs opened their own schools. What stopping them?

yes the extended length varies in sampradaiye, but ALL samprdaiye read ALL of kabyo baach benti section and ARRIL as well.

these other jathas+cults and SGPC won't even read the full kabyo baach benti and make excuses like "the bentiyan ran out, so we don't need to read anymore" and have printed gutkas with the bani missing and have influenced generations of sikhs into reading chaupai sahib in this shankawadi way and still influence even the current youth!

 

They are not just reading bani, they are influencing the wider panth with their anti-dasam granth views through chaupai sahib reading and gutkas!!!

 

there is a Budha Dal school in Patiala

Budha Dal Public School - Wikipedia

 

I find it kind of ironic that the Budha Dal School is in the former phulkian states!?!!

On 7/29/2022 at 8:00 PM, paapiman said:

Are you serious bro? 

Naamdhariye are also very strict in doing Keshi Ishaan (along with body) daily. 

Daas heard in a katha that they are very strict on Sucham Maryada too.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes I am serious, I know about a naamdhari Singh who drinks water from well, which is what a sarbloh bibeki is supposed to drink from!

[paapiman]

4 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

Yes I am serious, I know about a naamdhari Singh who drinks water from wa ell, which is what a sarbloh bibeki is supposed to drink from!

Thanks bro for that info. Even a Bibeki Sikh will probably drink water from a well. But was he Sarabloh Bibeki?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[ipledgeblue]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Thanks bro for that info. Even a Bibeki Sikh will probably drink water from a well. But was he Sarabloh Bibeki?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

no idea! probably

[Soulfinder]

On 7/29/2022 at 12:13 AM, ipledgeblue said:

 

 

do these jatha groups who claim to follow sarbloh bibek follow it properly such as drinking water from a well? In Budha Dal, I think about jeevans such baba Surjit Singh used to keep Sarbloh bibek and it was only small numbers of Singhs who keep sarbloh bibek rehit. In Canada, due to lack of wells, some Nihang Singhs keep a different bibek. I know about naamdharis in India keeping Sarbloh Bibek and drinking water from a well only.

Anyone claiming to follow Sarbloh Bibek without using water from wells is lying to us!!!

Havan is actually mentioned in Dohira read with Brahm Kavach. Jhatka and shikaar is maryada encouraged by Guru Hargobind Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh.

As evidenced from their youtube channel,  Gurmat bibek does not have a strict rehit for reading Chaupai Sahib bani and read Kabyo Baach Benti Chaupai in the same shankawadi manner as most of the rest of AKJ and also same as the minimum found in SGPC maryada. If a sikh does shanka on dasam bani and cannot even complete kabyo baach benti before Arril, and makes excuses such as the bentiyaan already being finished, then what good are trying to be strict on some other rehits? These groups think it's ok to butcher Chaupai Sahib and Raagmala because they follow vegeterianism!

The fact that they dress up as Nihang Singhs yet are not prepared to give respect to Chaupai Sahib bani as true bana wearers like Budha Dal and Tarna Dal, that is insulting and admin cut behaviour.

 

no you don't, they are sikhs who pretend to dress up Nihangs and going to teach these poor kids how to butcher Chaupai Sahib and do shanka of Raagmala as well! It's a shame they call it dashmesh khalsa school when they don't even respect dasam bani!

You are 100% correct these people akj remind of the pharse "beware of the false prophet". Especially as they wear nihang bana and they brainwash people

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 8/1/2022 at 4:45 AM, ipledgeblue said:

yes the extended length varies in sampradaiye, but ALL samprdaiye read ALL of kabyo baach benti section and ARRIL as well.

But which one did Guru Sahib tell to recite and what sources do we have that confirm this?
 

 

On 8/1/2022 at 4:45 AM, ipledgeblue said:

 

there is a Budha Dal school in Patiala

Budha Dal Public School - Wikipedia

 

I find it kind of ironic that the Budha Dal School is in the former phulkian states!?!!

The Budha Dal public school is a secular school nothing of Gurmat is taught in it and everything is taught in english.

Why isn't puratan sampradays open their own Gurmat school next to the akj school?