paapiman Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Sangat jee - Please share information from historical texts, about the Gurbanis that were read during the First Amrit Sanchaar by Sri Satguru jee (tenth Master): Sri Chandi dee Vaar was read during the First Amrit Sanchaar, along with a passage from Sri Bachitar Natak saab. The below audio clip is from Sri Pracheen Panth Prakaash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkJs5Dsmkog @Soulfinder Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 According to another historical text, a DOHRA from Sri Shastar Naam Mala saab was read, after Khande da Amrit was ready. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Gurbanis that were read, IN ADDITION to the 5 Amrit Gurbanis. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, paapiman said: Sangat jee - Please share information from historical texts, about the Gurbanis that were read during the First Amrit Sanchaar by Sri Satguru jee (tenth Master): Sri Chandi dee Vaar was read during the First Amrit Sanchaar, along with a passage from Sri Bachitar Natak saab. The below audio clip is from Sri Pracheen Panth Prakaash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkJs5Dsmkog @Soulfinder Bhul chuk maaf Why Dasam Bani use during Amrit Sanchar (Must Listen) -Gaini sher Sher ji_HD.mp4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 The below extracts (Episode# 15) are from Sri Pracheen Panth Prakash: Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 @dalsingh101 - You might have already noticed bro that all the Gurbanis read (according to Bhangu saab), to prepare Khande da Amrit for the first time, are Sri Dasam Gurbanis. Though, he does mention that Sri Satguru jee ordered Sikhs to read other Gurbanis such as Sri Japjee saab, Sri Jaap saab, etc. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 On 8/12/2021 at 9:42 PM, paapiman said: The below extracts (Episode# 15) are from Sri Pracheen Panth Prakash: Bhul chuk maaf Can we see what the annotation 10 refers to in the original? Next to invoking the grace, and the 8 next to bessech line? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 Any other contemporary or older anything to compare Ratan Singh Bharigu Ji's account to? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 53 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Can we see what the annotation 10 refers to in the original? Next to invoking the grace, and the 8 next to bessech line? Oh they aren't footnote annotations. They're the translation numbers. Can we double check the translation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 This bit is odd...I mean kinda casts doubt on the whole document to be honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 23 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: Any other contemporary or older anything to compare Ratan Singh Bharigu Ji's account to? Sri Sooraj Prakash mentions that Sri Japjee saab, Savaiye and Sri Aanad saab were read during the first Amrit Sanchar. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/31/2021 at 7:26 PM, paapiman said: According to another historical text, a DOHRA from Sri Shastar Naam Mala saab was read, after Khande da Amrit was ready. Bhul chuk maaf @GurjantGnostic Sri Hajoor saab wale Singhs recite the first chapter of Sri Shastar Naam Mala saab, which makes sense as we have a historical text to back their practice. They just read the whole chapter rather than only one Dohra from Sri Shastar Naam Mala saab. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, paapiman said: Sri Sooraj Prakash mentions that Sri Japjee saab, Savaiye and Sri Aanad saab were read during the first Amrit Sanchar. Bhul chuk maaf @GurjantGnostic Mahakavi Santokh Singh jee (author of Sri Sooraj Prakash) was probably referring to either the Sri Tva Prasaad Savaiye (Amrit Savaiye - part of Nitnem Gurbanis) or 33 Savaiye. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 23 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: This bit is odd...I mean kinda casts doubt on the whole document to be honest. There are other references to Astrology in Sikh texts too bro. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 23 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: Oh they aren't footnote annotations. They're the translation numbers. Can we double check the translation? Translation of that one passage (Taribhngi Chhanda) in the screen shot above? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, paapiman said: Translation of that one passage (Taribhngi Chhanda) in the screen shot above? Bhul chuk maaf That's the Punjabi for the english you oosted orignally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, paapiman said: There are other references to Astrology in Sikh texts too bro. Bhul chuk maaf Aren't there a multitude of Shabads in Guru Granth Sahib Ji and wider Gurmat to put no faith in or use astrology though? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, paapiman said: @GurjantGnostic Mahakavi Santokh Singh jee (author of Sri Sooraj Prakash) was probably referring to either the Sri Tva Prasaad Savaiye (Amrit Savaiye - part of Nitnem Gurbanis) or 33 Savaiye. Bhul chuk maaf All this sounds tip top. Amrit Sanchar is doing just fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said: All this sounds tip top. Amrit Sanchar is doing just fine. @shastarSingh - Do Nihang Singhs read any additional Gurbanis (other than the 5 main ones) during their Amrit Sanchaars? Can you please find out bro? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, paapiman said: @shastarSingh - Do Nihang Singhs read any additional Gurbanis (other than the 5 main ones) during their Amrit Sanchaars? Can you please find out bro? Bhul chuk maaf Hazur Sahib Singhs and some nihangs too read extra baanis during amrit sanchar like Chandi di vaar Shastar naam maalaa 33 swaiye Deenan ki pratipal (Akaal ustat swaiye) Etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 Ratan Singh Bhangu was writing almost 150 years after the events and for the British as I understand it prior to their annexation of Punjab. The debunked Chapter 4 of BN or the translated ancient Hindu erotica "Triya Charitar"/CP stories have nothing to do with it whatsoever. Besides it is not which authentic Gurbani is read during Amrit Sanchar but the principle of Sant-Sipahi, equality and being to ready to die for the protection of the weak and the oppressed which is of paramount importance to Amrit Sanchar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Singh2022 said: Ratan Singh Bhangu was writing almost 150 years after the events and for the British as I understand it prior to their annexation of Punjab. Gyani Rattan Singh jee Bhangu was the grandson of the great Shaheed Baba Mehtab Singh jee. He would have know a lot about the traditional Sikh practices of the times after Shaheed Baba Banda Singh jee Bahadar. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Singh2022 said: the translated ancient Hindu erotica "Triya Charitar"/CP stories have nothing to do with it whatsoever. The First Charitar is recited at Sri Hajoor saab (during Amrit ceremony). Anyways, that Charitar deals with the Primal power of Sri Waheguru jee and has no Erotica in it. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Singh2022 said: Besides it is not which authentic Gurbani is read during Amrit Sanchar but the principle of Sant-Sipahi, equality and being to ready to die for the protection of the weak and the oppressed which is of paramount importance to Amrit Sanchar. Many Sri Dasam Gurbanis (including passages of Sri Bachittar saab) are full or Beer Ras, which infuse the warrior spirit into the readers. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 14 hours ago, paapiman said: Rattan Singh jee Bhangu Lineage has no meaning in Sikhi. The Khalsa Panth exemplifies this everyday. And that's why Chapter 4 of Bachittar Natak is condemned by so many Amritdhari's. He wrote what he did in 1841 for the British and thus nothing should be treated as authentic as Gurbani from Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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