Gurbanis Read During the First Amrit Sanchaar

[Singh2022]

14 hours ago, paapiman said:

The First Charitar is recited at Sri Hajoor saab

If Hazur Sahib maryada is so important then why did the Mahants of Hazur Sahib consistently side with the British between 1849-1947?

Why did the controlling Hazur Sahib management side with Indira Gandhi and Santa Sin during the Congress Genocide of Sikhs?

[Singh2022]

On 7/24/2022 at 9:39 AM, paapiman said:

 Beer Ras,

Khande da Pahul and Amrit infuses Bir Ras of infinite quantities in of itself.

Ancient translated Hindu erotica in Charitropakhiyan is not needed to infuse Bir Ras into the Khalsa Panth.

A single Jaikaara of Bole So Nihal: Sat Sri Akaal has more Bir Ras!

Even 125,000 Charitropakhiyan Jaaps by the racist British Empire's Mahants and their prostitutes cannot give an ounce of Bir Ras to the Khalsa Panth.

[paapiman]

20 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

Khande de Pahul and Amrit infuses Bir Ras of infinite quantities in of itself.

Khande da Amrit is prepared by reciting Sri Dasam Gurbanis (Sri Jaap saab, Sri Amrit Savaiye and Sri Chaupai saab) too.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Singh2022]

On 7/25/2022 at 8:25 PM, paapiman said:

Khande da

Paji if 2+2 = 4 then it does not mean that if on another page it says 3+3 = 33 that the page(s) with 3+3 = 33 are mathematically correct.

What most Amritdhari GurSikhs oppose is Chapter 4 of Bachittar Natak and the translated Hindu erotica in Charitropakhiyan.

[GurjantGnostic]

18 minutes ago, Singh2022 said:

Paji if 2+2 = 4 then it does not mean that if on another page it says 3+3 = 33 that the page(s) with 3+3 are mathematically correct.

What most Amritdhari GurSikhs oppose is Chapter 4 of Bachittar Natak and the translated Hindu erotica in Charitropakhiyan.

And the inconsistent natures of these sections warrants circumspection, regardless of what side of this particular fence we wind up falling on, we should have a well based reasonable answer for our stance, and love the Sikh on the other side of the fence, because this issue is a natural occuring fault line in our theological landscape. And we should understand both sides of this issue. This is an issue that genuinely can easily divide loyal Sikhs into either of the schools of thought. And we shouldn't mistake being studious regarding this as un Paanthic. 

If your read parts of Bachitar Natak and don't have a conscious dissonance moment you didn't read the preceding Gurbani or Vaaran. It should be a...process of reconciliation no matter how you read it. 

[GurjantGnostic]

It's actually comendable in many regards how unified Sikhs are under the term Sikh, without dividing into religions, given our diverse interpretation of some things. Sikhi is rich enough we adhere to Dharam regardless of little differences in thought. 

[paapiman]

On 7/24/2022 at 6:47 PM, Singh2022 said:

If Hazur Sahib maryada is so important then why did the Mahants of Hazur Sahib consistently side with the British between 1849-1947?

On which issues? Can you please go into details?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Singh2022]

23 hours ago, paapiman said:

Can you please go into details?

Chapter 4 of Bachittar Natak alleges that our Guru Sahibaan were Hindu Kings in so-called previous lives.

These Hindu Kings according to BN chapter 4 divided up the order of GurGaddi between 1469-1708 as a business deal rather than on the basis of Bibek Buddhi.

There are no historical records in India of any Sodhi kingdoms nor any Bedi kingdoms whatsoever.

Most common sense members of the Khalsa Panth reject the Chapter 4 BN allegation against of our Guru Sahibaan being Hindu Kings as depraved and false!

So again it becomes clear that Mughals and their paid scribes authored Chapter 4 of Bachittar Natak in order to denigrate Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.

Similarly, the allegation that Dasam Pita spent several years writing Triya Charitar stories (even JSB+Harnam Dhumma both admitted that Charitropakhiyan stories are re-translated ancient Hindu erotica) in the middle of fomenting the biggest social and spiritual revolution that the land of Hindostan had ever seen is ludicrous in the extreme and one that only the Mughals, their paid Brahmin scribes, the racist British Empire and more latterly Hindutva forces that seek to destroy the Sikh Panth are promoting.

[paapiman]

9 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

Chapter 4 of Bachittar Natak alleges that our Guru Sahibaan were Hindu Kings in so-called previous lives.

Other than the chapter 4, do you have any other concerns with Sri Bachittar Natak saab?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

9 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

Similarly, the allegation that Dasam Pita spent several years writing Triya Charitar stories (even JSB+Harnam Dhumma both admitted that Charitropakhiyan stories are re-translated ancient Hindu erotica) in the middle of fomenting the biggest social and spiritual revolution that the land of Hindostan had ever seen is ludicrous in the extreme and one that only the Mughals, their paid Brahmin scribes, the racist British Empire and more latterly Hindutva forces that seek to destroy the Sikh Panth are promoting.

Why would it take several years to compile 405 tales?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

On 7/27/2022 at 5:22 AM, paapiman said:

Other than the chapter 4, do you have any other concerns with Sri Bachittar Natak saab?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

We are fortunate that in the volumes of Gurmat we have, being the size of the bible written several times over and again, we have literally one chapter with a few odd statements, and this end reference section about world evil some don't find authentic or useful. 

You ever listen to people debate the problems in other texts? Lolololol 

We have it so good.