Narsingha Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Quite a few people have recently started to adopt the Nihang Nishani of the "Aad Chand" in their profiles/avatars, etc. Its great to see so many Sikhs finally starting to respect Shivji Maharaj who is represented by the Aad Chand. (more info on this coming soon on www.shastarvidiya.org, along with explanation of origin of the "Kakkars") Incidentally, for those freaking out at the mention of Shivji, respect is distinct from worship.... Jai Jai Sri Mahakaal Jai Jai Sri Rudra Maharaj Jai Jai Sri Chandika 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Its great to see so many Sikhs finally starting to respect Shivji Maharaj who is represented by the Aad Chand. we all do..But guroo avtar is guroo avtar..No hindu diety could be even compared to our guroo's sahiban. This remind me of this verse from dasam guroo durbar by guroo gobind singh maharaj: Ek shiv bhaie ek gayaie ek fir bhaie Ramchandar Krishan Kaie Avtar Biii Anaik Hai Bhrama Aur Bishan kataie ved au puran kaitaie simrat smahan kai hoi hoi bitaie maundi madhar kaitaie ausni kamar kaitaie ansa avtaar kaita kaaaaaaaal baaas bhaie haaie pir aur bhiiikambar kaitaie gaanie n parat aaietaie boomi hiii taie hoiii kaie fair boomi hii millai haaie (Dasam Gurooo Durbar) Reference: http://www.gobindsadan.org/institute/dasam/pdf/v1_2.pdf page 10, 13th line from top. Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal hee akaaaaaaaaaaaaal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hari Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 I see the myhtical personality of Mahesh, as a good role model.Detached yet involved with the world at the same time. Also, Mahesh is born of Ekaa Maa-ee; says so in Jap Ji Sahib.As the anthropomorphic representation of Tamo Gun, I know that Mahesh is a part of me. There are many gods and shakti that reside in the body microcosm. What about Vahiguru?Well, Vahiguru is not a god or goddess. Vahiguru = :?: I wonder Narsingha, can you tell me what you think of the following, from Kabio Baach Benti Chaupai: Mahadev ko kahat Sada Shiv. Nirankar ki cheenat nah bhiv. Who is the Mahadev, who the Sada Shiv?Mahadev = ShivJi?Sada Shiv = Vahiguru.Sada Shiv = Eternal Shiv?.Shiv = good fortune or fortunate doesn't it?Does the above mean: They call Mahadev the Eternal Shiv. They cannot understand/find the Formless One. Or does it mean: Sada Shiv says to Mahadev; You do not understand the Formless One. Apologies for my own translation I would like to know your views please Narsingha Ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms514 Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Sat Sri Akal: Hey Narsinga, say Hi to Bal Thackrey for me! Are you Khalsa or Shiv Sena? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhasingh Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Note: Sikhi was there before Guru Nanak Dev Ji, in the form of Truth Shiva is another Bhagat/Great Soul that came to the earth, along with Jesus/Mohammed/Ram/Kirshna. However, the Puran Avatar is Guru Nanak Dev Ji, refer JanamSakhi's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhsingh Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 wat does this mean????????????????/ Ek shiv bhaie ek gayaie ek fir bhaie Ramchandar Krishan Kaie Avtar Biii Anaik Hai Bhrama Aur Bishan kataie ved au puran kaitaie simrat smahan kai hoi hoi bitaie maundi madhar kaitaie ausni kamar kaitaie ansa avtaar kaita kaaaaaaaal baaas bhaie haaie pir aur bhiiikambar kaitaie gaanie n parat aaietaie boomi hiii taie hoiii kaie fair boomi hii millai haaie ?????????????????????????????? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukha Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 Jai Jai Siri Mahakaal! Jai Jai Siri Chandika! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Don't take discussion towards another topic. Stick to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 need to be said again. Jai Jai Siri Mahakaal! Jai Jai Siri Chandika! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhsingh Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 whats it MEAN?!?!?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 <----- <----- LOOK ITS A PICTURE OF SHIVJI WITH SUNBURN.. !!!! <----- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Jakaaara Gajaavaa Fateh Paveeeh Shiv JI Nooh Man No Paveeeh Sat Sri Akaaaaaaaall.. Goooor Br Akaaaaaaal .. Just as Guru and Satguru are the same, Just as Jan and Har jan are the same just as a wave and the ocean are one and the same in the same way shiv and mahashiv or sadashiv are one and the same. Shiv Ji has given us much more then just the Aad chand The great gift of the Kashera was given by Bajrang bali Hunuman Ji(incarnation of Shiv Ji) Blue dress of the khalsa panth – blue skin of Shiv Ji Bhagauti as a source of shakti and protection at our side – Parvati (shakti) at the side of shiv The farla of Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj and Akali Nihang Singhs – Ganga on the head of Shiv Ji In oral tradition the roop of the khalsa is sometimes called Shivsaroop. It is also said that amrit was once kept by the devta (as it is the nectar which makes mortals into devta) at Shivpuri (shivs kingdom) and Guru Gobind Singh Ji took it from Shiv Puri and bought it to Anand Puri. There are many many more gifts and blessings that Shiv Ji graced on the panth. The whole guru chela concept in the khalsa also can be seen between Sri Raam Ji and Shiv Ji, Sri Raam Ji chela of Shiv Ji --- Sikhs chela of Guru Shiv Ji becomes Hunuman Ji – Guru Creates khalsa Hunuman chela of Raam --- Guru Chela of Sikhs/Khalsa p.s If you believe in caste or not its worth noting that Jatts are said to come from the Jatta (knotted hair) of Shiv Ji. It would be intresting to find out if jallandar the district in Punjab has any links to jallandhar the demon who came out from shiv ji? It would explain the high labido and aggression of doabia ppl. The shabad from Akaal ustaat pauree 77 I tried to give a wishy washy translation to: Ek shiv bhaie ek gayaie ek fir bhaie One Shiv came one went and then another came Ramchandar Krishan Kaie Avtar Biii Anaik Hai There are many avtars like Sri Raamchandar and Krishan Maharaj Bhrama Aur Bishan kataie ved au puran kaitaie There are many bhrams, Vishnu, veds, and purans simrat smahan kai hoi hoi bitaie And many writers of Smritis who have come and gone maundi madhar kaitaie ausni kamar kaitaie Loads of (protects of faith)MuavNudeen and Madhar have been, and many Ashwani Kumars ansa avtaar kaita kaaaaaaaal baaas bhaie haaie There have been many Avtars who have come to kaal(death) pir aur bhiiikambar kaitaie gaanie n parat aaietaie Many pirs(holy men) and prophets too many to count boomi hiii taie hoiii kaie fair boomi hii millai haaie From the earth they came (born) and then meet with the earth again (die) As this bani is about the ustaat of Akaal (the immortal) this pauree as majority of this section of the bani indicate that nothing is beyond kaal except the one who is Akaal (god) everything including shiv and bhram all either merge into god or remain in the cycle of birth and death but non are beyond death except Akaalpurakh. Now one may say that the statement about Shiv coming and going shows he is in the cycle of births and deaths, but then again hes an avtar, and that’s what avtars do! Just as Guru Gobind Singh indicates in Bachitar Natak he too had to come back to be born again as an avtar. Guru Nanak has constantly come and gone throughout the four yugs as indicated in Aad Granth Maharaj Bhatta de savaye mahalla pehle ke pauree 7 ang 1390. :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chamkila Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 I think Narsingha must be some sort of Hindu supportor, that site that he links to makes Sikh look like hindu, post picture of Hindu gods. Let just learn about Sikhi and forget about hindus. It could be that Narsingha is part of RSS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Let just learn about Sikhi and forget about hindus we cant learn sikhi properly if we dont know about hindus, bani quotes and tell us about hindu and muslim and christan faiths. an example. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=4140 if we didnt know the adam and eve story. then who is Adam is this context?? We should learn about many faiths, only then can we understand ours better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chamkila Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 we cant learn sikhi properly if we dont know about hindus, bani quotes and tell us about hindu and muslim and christan faiths. an example. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=4140 if we didnt know the adam and eve story. then who is Adam is this context?? We should learn about many faiths, only then can we understand ours better. I agree with you but I still think that Narsingha promotes the hindu faith, just have a look at his website is the the information right as Gursikh can we do what he's site show. Also if I was new to sikhi and I had a look at that site, what would I think about Sikhi that we can eat meat and pray to hindu gods, so for me his site is anti-sikhi and he is RSS. I try reading about different faiths all the time, but the way that Narsingha site deal with Sikhi is wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 there is no such thing as a Hindu faith or Hinduism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chamkila Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 there is no such thing as a Hindu faith or Hinduism. Thats one thing I would have to agree with you lalleshvari 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 shows you've got some sence. now look! Angel Gabriel is found in the Old Testamant right? Does that mean that Gabriel is a Jew? NO! Prophet Muhammad received the Quran from angel Gabriel. Does that make the Prophet a Jew? NO! Is Durga a Hindu? NO! Does the presence of Durga in Dasam Granth make it Hindu? NO! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chamkila Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 shows you've got some sence. now look! Angel Gabriel is found in the Old Testamant right? Does that mean that Gabriel is a Jew? NO! Prophet Muhammad received the Quran from angel Gabriel. Does that make the Prophet a Jew? NO! Is Durga a Hindu? NO! Does the presence of Durga in Dasam Granth make it Hindu? NO! Thats right, but its the way people present the information people still think Sikh are a sect of the Hindu faith so If the information is presented in a wrong way then people still will think that Sikh are a sect of the hindu faith. At work a Sikh person told my boss that Sikh are a sect of the hindu faith and my boss belived this so called Sikh person, one day he asked me so you are a sect of the hindu faith, then I started to tell him about Sikhi he then understond that Sikhism is a different faith to the hinduism. So at the end of the day its the way that the information is presented to the person, I still think Narsingha site persent the information in a wrong why which makes in anti-Sikhi and him a RSS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 well sarbloh.info does not do that and you can tell that SIkh person that he's an idiot really. SIkhism is a religion as are Islam, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Samrtism etc... but Hinduism is a British colonial creation. The question is not: are Sikhs HIndus? The real question is: Is there any such thing called Hinduism? NO! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chamkila Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 well sarbloh.info does not do that and you can tell that SIkh person that he's an idiot really. SIkhism is a religion as are Islam, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Samrtism etc... but Hinduism is a British colonial creation. The question is not: are Sikhs HIndus? The real question is: Is there any such thing called Hinduism? NO! Thats great you have a view, I still think that shastarvidiya.org is anti-sikhi and if sarbloh.info created by the same people then it may also be anti-Sikhi but my knowledgy on Sikhi is not great, so I will not be able to check every word of sarbloh.info. I have also told my boss to tell that Sikh person that he/she should not call them self Sikh if they don't know what it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 what would I think about Sikhi that we can eat meat What, we cant eat meat???? neheeeeeeee. Please Ignore this post.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Thats great you have a view, I still think that shastarvidiya.org is anti-sikhi and if sarbloh.info created by the same people then it may also be anti-Sikhi but my knowledgy on Sikhi is not great, so I will not be able to check every word of sarbloh.info. your statment is not logical and just follows ideology. If your knowledge of SIkhi is as you have described then don't comment on shastarvidiya.org. The site might be different from the type of SIkhi you have been brought up in but that does not mean it's anti-SIkh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chamkila Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 your statment is not logical and just follows ideology. If your knowledge of SIkhi is as you have described then don't comment on shastarvidiya.org. The site might be different from the type of SIkhi you have been brought up in but that does not mean it's anti-SIkh! I have said that because sarbloh.info deals with different sect of Sikhi and I don't know about all of these sect so I am unable to make a comment on sarbloh.info because of this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 well look up in Dr. Harbans Singh's Encyclopaedia of Sikhism in four volumes and check. You'll be surprised how "anti-SIkh" the site is. :wink: Don't believe things just because someone puts it up on a website! Check for yourself! :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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