Could Jesus hv reached Sachkhand ?

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, mahanpaapi said:

now, after virulent and hatefully attacking Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj, you have crossed the line from which I guess there is no return according to Sri Sukhmani Sahib, and you may want to recite it, over and out! 

I didn't mention any names. And in fact explanation on anyone's behalf several ways. 

[shastarSingh]

3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

But one can come and go from Sachakand

Yes.

Guru Sahib in Sarbloh Granth Sahib says that whenever sikhi will get weaker, a sachkhandi soul from the 40 brave Singhs of chamkaur Sahib yudh will be sent to our planet earth to strenghten sikhi.

So Yes, Sachkhandi soul can also come to our earth.

basically, God can do anything and everything He likes

it's His MAUJ.

He is the Creator and the Infinite supreme Being.

[paapiman]

16 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

Whatever power krishan had was not his own power. It was Waheguru's power given to him by Waheguru ji.

Real power is to completely submit before Waheguru and get whatever power one wants from Waheguru.

Krishan had BIG EGO. He boasted of his power. He called himself God. He used deceit and also had sex with many gopis.

Even a relatively manmukhi person will hv lesser ego compared to krishan.

Sri Krishan jee did what was needed in that Jug (Dwapar). He tried his best to stop the big war.

He saved thousands of female slaves from a demon too.

His sexual life was divine, not like that of Kaljugi people.

Obviously, he is small in front of our Satgurus, but we must respect him.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Infancy gospel of thomas does have the story about him withering some kid. Not denying that. Just not sure that determines if he got into Sachakand, or has to come back in order to like you say. 

But one can come and go from Sachakand. 

What happened with that kid in the gospel? Lord Jesus could not save him?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

6 hours ago, HSD said:

If he is in Sachkhand he cannot return which makes their whole religion false. If they are right about him coming back then he can’t be in Sachkhand. 

Souls can come back from Sachkhand.

Sri Satguru jee (Ninth and Tenth Masters) were already in Sachkhand, before they appeared in human form in Kaljug.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

12 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Well bro you're not going to like this at all. Either Babba Ji included mohammad to keep the peace, there are two mohammads, or Babba Ji wasn't exactly on point. But if you're telling me Babba Ji supports pedos, then.. that's a fake Babba. 

Maybe Aisha jee was not 9 years old when Prophet Muhammed had sex with her. She could have been a teenager.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[shastarSingh]

10 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Sri Krishan jee did what was needed in that Jug (Dwapar). He tried his best to stop the big war.

He saved thousands of female slaves from a demon too.

His sexual life was divine, not like that of Kaljugi people.

Obviously, he is small in front of our Satgurus, but we must respect him.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Dasam Granth Sahib states krishan drowned in world ocean.

Do you agree with this ?

https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,4772

[paapiman]

2 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Dasam Granth Sahib states krishan drowned in world ocean.

Do you agree with this ?

https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,4772

Sri Satguru jee is denouncing the worship of any Demi-Gods in that Shabad.

But, we must respect the Demi-Gods and learn from them (including their mistakes).

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

19 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Maybe Aisha jee was not 9 years old when Prophet Muhammed had sex with her. She could have been a teenager.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

History seems to say six with the same question mark on consumation, but may I remind you in abrahamic faiths consumation of marriage and sex are the same thing. No matter how you cut it it's disgusting and ungodly. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Let me clarify something. No Godly 50 year old takes a look at a 6 or 9 year old girl and marries her. I don't care if he waits until she's 20 and hes 65, it's the definition of not okay. 

[paapiman]

4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Let me clarify something. No Godly 50 year old takes a look at a 6 or 9 year old girl and marries her. I don't care if he waits until she's 20 and hes 65, it's the definition of not okay. 

Didn't he do it (marry Aisha jee) to prevent a war between two tribes and thereby saving human lives?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[shastarSingh]

33 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Sri Satguru jee is denouncing the worship of any Demi-Gods in that Shabad.

Guru Sahib is saying that Krishan can't help anyone get salvation because he himself drowned in the world ocean.

"Aap dubiyoo bhav sagar".

[shastarSingh]

Just now, shastarSingh said:

Guru Sahib is saying that Krishan can't help anyone get salvation because he himself drowned in the world ocean.

"Aap dubiyoo bhav sagar".

ਕੈਸੇ ਤੋਹਿ ਤਾਰਿ ਹੈ ਸੁਨਿ ਜੜ ਆਪ ਡੁਬਯੋ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰ ॥
कैसे तोहि तारि है सुनि जड़ आप डुबयो भव सागर ॥
O fool ! listen, how can he(Vishnu Incarnation) cause you to cross the dreadful ocean of Sansara (world), when he himself is drowned in great ocean?

[GurjantGnostic]

36 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Didn't he do it (marry Aisha jee) to prevent a war between two tribes and thereby saving human lives?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Last account I heard read recently was he walked by and picked her out. 

Describe how this would stop a war please. 

Because there are scenarios but not this one. 

[GurjantGnostic]

40 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Didn't he do it (marry Aisha jee) to prevent a war between two tribes and thereby saving human lives?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Here we go. Already at peace. 

"Aisha's union would also have cemented Muhammad's longstanding friendship with her father, Abu Bakr"

[GurjantGnostic]

Why are we so comitted to there only being one Muhammed and him being a good person? 

[GurjantGnostic]

Think about this. Muslims don't agree on the quaran or hadiths. And they've had 1300 years of their own rule. And after 1300 years of revisions and oppurtunity to dress up that story...

The 2022 version still doesn't hold any water whatsoever. ..

[GurjantGnostic]

[paapiman]

30 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Why are we so comitted to there only being one Muhammed and him being a good person? 

All Hail Prophet Muhammad....lol.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

31 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Why are we so comitted to there only being one Muhammed and him being a good person? 

So you believe that there is a possibility that there were two Prophet Muhammeds?

It is also possible that many false stories (by the rulers who came after his death) were attributed to Prophet Muhammad to justify mass murder, rape, genocide, slavery, etc.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

56 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Guru Sahib is saying that Krishan can't help anyone get salvation because he himself drowned in the world ocean.

"Aap dubiyoo bhav sagar".

If someone worships Sri Krishan jee, he/she cannot reach Sachkhand, but we still have to respect him bro, as he was a very powerful avtaar, who did great things for humanity.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[shastarSingh]

@paapiman

U believe in krishan avtar.

Will u believe me if I say I m a greater avtar than krishan ?

[GurjantGnostic]

13 minutes ago, paapiman said:

So you believe that there is a possibility that there were two Prophet Muhammeds?

It is also possible that many false stories (by the rulers who came after his death) were attributed to Prophet Muhammad to justify mass murder, rape, genocide, slavery, etc.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Gurbani states so. Not just two but many. 

Anything is possible but that's not what muslims say is it?

Who raped, genocided and slaved your people again? Or is that fake history too?

So how much islam would we have to get rid of, and how far back do we have to go before all thos horrible invasive doctrine entered that they will die to protect today?

[shastarSingh]

11 minutes ago, paapiman said:

If someone worships Sri Krishan jee, he/she cannot reach Sachkhand, but we still have to respect him bro, as he was a very powerful avtaar, who did great things for humanity.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Krishan cheated humanity and made people worship him. Thats a very big sin.

Prophet of Islam made people worship ONE Allah.

[GurjantGnostic]

Sort of more pertinent than casting wagers about who is or isnt in Sachakand. Fact is muslims and hindunazis are both animos to us an we have to swell our numbers and get alliances with aomebody.

 Joining with either side hindu or muslim erases Sikhi.