Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Just now, GurjantGnostic said: I think we need more literal english translations. We take great liberties with the english in a miltitude of ways. Well and I need to keep learning Gurmukhi and Guri. Mate, I don't think that endeavour EVER ends for us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: No actually, Amrit Bani does include Chaupai Sahib I think, which is how CP concludes. But I do think much of what precedes this, is what you mention above. But it's not simplistic, (amongst many other things) it looks like a critique of courtly literature and masterful work on narratives, and how to dominate them, incorporate them, and utilise them. Like pretty much all Sikh 'texts' it's a proper treasure trove of cultures and linguistics too. CP is quite deep when you think about it, it starts with posing the big question of when you should kill a mf, and how you should be aware of being manipulated into this through anger and passion. Also, the role and value of true, tempered advice to leaders. I'm with that, and appreciate you expanding. Great note Chaupai Sahib is included in that. What I'm saying though is I get why people have hangups with it based on christian modesty fused with our own actual abstinence from Kaam. Like. I'm trying to get where missionaries are coming from, and solve this for us internally and prepare for external scrutiny. I think it's natural they might have hangups. Not saying they're right. But we shouldn't blanket label them not Sikhs or toss them out, let's just be versed in a best understanding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said: What I'm saying though is I get why people have hangups with it based on christian modesty fused with our own actual abstinence from Kaam. I get it too. Even some of our great intellectuals from the colonial era weren't immune (like Kahn Singh Nabha). If we look at the 'text' from an outsider, victorian era, stifled, repressed, wasp perspective we'd be clutching our handbags to our chests, aghast. If a person is already of a seriously deviant ilk, they'll just focus on the aspects that stimulate them in this respect and miss all the higher, subtle messages. If you've got 'binary brain' and want to have seriously demarcated 'religious' texts along the lines of the Semitic traditions, you'll be disappointed. I think critical thinking is deeply embedded in CP myself. You know better than most how people get wasped, the confusion about DG (in my opinion) stems from those conservative, outsider values of those times being foisted on us. Some of our lot are a bit slow about these types of manipulations, compared to some other communities, like say African-Americans, who have already dissected and analysed how texts are used as planks of a suppressive culture. With many of our lot, you just have to work in a few flattering comments about a person's caste (and we all know who is especially susceptible to this), and they'll swallow all of the horseshyte written around it wholesale without any critique. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Just spoke to a very interesting Tamil. His only criticism was that our leadership has been subverted. He was very excited about our longstanding relationship. He did not know about the 7 handfulls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 More things Tamil? Kali Ma. Thuggis. And...Jhatka Maryada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 These Tamils are by farrrrr the best indians to speak with on clubhouse. "Hindus" have nothing on these people. I look forward to meeting hindus this devoted, authentic and interested, not simply an atheist in a nazi political party that hates Sikhs for no reason. They're civil, intelligent, educated on both worlds, you can ask them anything and get a real solid answer. No hate for Sikhs. This is great. A lot of their veiw is pre and post deluvian. Very Noah related. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: These Tamils are by farrrrr the best indians to speak with on clubhouse. "Hindus" have nothing on these people. I look forward to meeting hindus this devoted, authentic and interested, not simply an atheist in a nazi political party that hates Sikhs for no reason. They're civil, intelligent, educated on both worlds, you can ask them anything and get a real solid answer. No hate for Sikhs. This is great. A lot of their veiw is pre and post deluvian. Very Noah related. I think it's some of the lighter skinned hindus in the north that are inimical to us. The ones down south haven't been subjected to the antiSikh propaganda the northern ones have.....not yet anyway......... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 9 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: I think it's some of the lighter skinned hindus in the north that are inimical to us. The ones down south haven't been subjected to the antiSikh propaganda the northern ones have.....not yet anyway......... Amen bro. That's what it's looking like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 21 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: I'm dead bro. If it's not part of Amrit Kirtan...what...what are we upset about? It would remain simply a really unique Ang for study and debate and understanding. Ohhh...so I'm not sure it's part of Amrit Ceremony. It's in Pothi like these. Anyone wanna confirm the last bit outstanding? It's part of what's read every Amrit or no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said: Ohhh...so I'm not sure it's part of Amrit Ceremony. It's in Pothi like these. Anyone wanna confirm the last bit outstanding? It's part of what's read every Amrit or no? There are a few Amritdharis here, they should be able to tell you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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