Maratha Empire vs Sikhs

[Premi]

@dalsingh101 @chatanga1

you're both a lot more knowledgeable about this history than me

What do you make of this? (sorry it's on tweets) Have you read the source book ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chatanga1]

Thanks for informing us. I have noticed that there is a twitter tidal wave of indian vitriol against the Sikh people as a whole.

I would have to re-read the books of Hari Ram Gupta as I cannot recall these details. It's been a long time since I read them.

But the post itself is a way of our Maratha brothers making themselves feel better because ultimately they were a failure. They had massive armies, outnumbering Sikhs at least threefold. They had superior weapons to the Sikhs, as they began using artillery way before the Sikhs did, as Sikhs were still fighting mainly as cavalry.

What did the Maratha army acheive in the long term? They never managed to hold onto their own stronghold of Maharashtra.

And whats amusing is, that these Maratha supremacists revel in their fights against the Sikhs, of which they won some, but also lost some. Why fight Sikhs who essentially were sons of the soil? This only strengthened the outsider powers. What exactly did they achieve against the British or the Afghans?

 

I'll see if I can look up some info about this over the weekend.

[GurjantGnostic]

3 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

Thanks for informing us. I have noticed that there is a twitter tidal wave of indian vitriol against the Sikh people as a whole.

I would have to re-read the books of Hari Ram Gupta as I cannot recall these details. It's been a long time since I read them.

But the post itself is a way of our Maratha brothers making themselves feel better because ultimately they were a failure. They had massive armies, outnumbering Sikhs at least threefold. They had superior weapons to the Sikhs, as they began using artillery way before the Sikhs did, as Sikhs were still fighting mainly as cavalry.

What did the Maratha army acheive in the long term? They never managed to hold onto their own stronghold of Maharashtra.

And whats amusing is, that these Maratha supremacists revel in their fights against the Sikhs, of which they won some, but also lost some. Why fight Sikhs who essentially were sons of the soil? This only strengthened the outsider powers. What exactly did they achieve against the British or the Afghans?

 

I'll see if I can look up some info about this over the weekend.

Bro they've gone rabid all over the web and the zionists are all up in it. Blue Star 2. 

[kdsingh80]

Problem these days is Hindutva supporters want to portray Maratha as Hindutva warriors fighting for Hindu rashtra while the reality is Marathas were more interested in chauth and money rather than fighting for Hinduism. The invasions of Nadir shah , Abdali happened in their time and they did nothing to protect northern india. The rise of Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan happened in their time in Karnataka and they did nothing. Maratha Rapes of Bengali women is known as bargi atrocities

The Hindu Maratha warriors invaded and occupied western Bengal up to the Hooghly River.^[19] During that period of invasion by the Marathas, warriors called as "Bargis", perpetrated atrocities against the local Hindu Bengalis.^[19][14] As reported in Burdwan Kingdom's and European sources, the Bargis are said to have plundered villages.^[20] The resulting casualties of Bargi onslaught against in Bengal are considered to be among the deadliest massacres in Indian history.^[20] According to the 18th-century Bengali text Maharashtra Purana written by Gangaram:^[19]

They shouted over and over again, 'Give us money', and when they got no money they filled peoples' nostrils with water, and some they seized and drowned in tanks, and many died of suffocation. In this way they did all manner of foul and evil deeds. When they demanded money and it was not given to them, they would put the man to death. Those who had money gave it, those who had none were killed.

According to the Bengali text Maharashtra Purana:^[19]

Durga ordered her followers to be gracious to the Muslim Nawab and oppose the Marathas, because the evil-minded ones had killed Brahmans and Vaisnavas.

The Bargi atrocities were corroborated by contemporary Dutch and British accounts.^[14] Jan Kersseboom, chief of the Dutch East India Company factory in Bengal, estimated that perhaps around 400,000 people in Bihar and western Bengal were killed in the raids by the Bargis.^[21] This devastated Bengal's economy, as many of the people killed included merchants, textile weavers, silk winders, and mulberry cultivators.^[17][21] The Cossimbazar factory reported in 1742, for example, that the Bargis burnt down many houses along with weavers' looms.^[21]

British writer Robert Orme reported that the Marathas caused so much distress to the local population that many of them "were continually taking flight" in large numbers to Calcutta whenever they heard rumours of the Marathas coming.^[17] Many people in western Bengal also fled to take shelter in East Bengal, fearing for their lives in the wake of the Maratha attacks.^[22]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_invasions_of_Bengal

 

 

 

 

[chatanga1]

Was reading this book and saw this paragraph that I'd like to share with everyone. It's is middle paragraph. 

 

 

[Veer]

Hello,

Just a quick comment. The earlier Marattas were all about desh bhakti but the later marattas were loot and plunder. As for Abdali vs marattas ( 30,000 marattas dead 20,000 Afghans) considering Abdali had local Allies pretty good. Both were mauled and quickly signed a peace treaty.

 

 

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