Do we need a Khalistan?

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Why Khalistan?

Khalistan is the Sikh homeland. By definition it means land of pure people. Currently it is under Indian government's control. Some people support it, some don't. Many people have different opinions about how to free Khalistan. Some people are just totally confused. So the purpose of this article is to explain why Khalistan is needed, how to free it and what free Khalistan will be like etc.

First, it is important to talk about why Khalistan is needed. Khalistan is not a destiny, it is a necessity. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said: "Raj Bina Nahin Dharam Chale Hain, Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain" which literally means that sovereignty is a MUST in order for a religion to survive; otherwise religion perishes. Now you can understand that even Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself has said it. There are many reasons why we (Sikhs) need Khalistan. I will give you some reasons starting from the beginning.

We shouldn't live with Hindus for many reasons. Hindus have always betrayed Sikhs. From the time of Gurus, Hindus have always been against Sikhs. You can't find a single name of a Hindu who was loyal to Sikhs. During two holocausts in the 18th century and many wars against Mughals, Sikhs did not receive any help from Hindus, not even from Rajputs and Marathas. It was Hindus who betrayed Sikhs and helped British army to take over Punjab, Khalistan which included all of Pakistan and some of the Indian states like Kashmir, Haryana and Himachal Pardesh. For doing this Hindu Dogras got Kashmir and the rest of the country became part of the British empire. Sikhs had fought for helpless Hindus and freed their women from Muslim invaders for two hundred years and this is how Hindus returned the favor. Even Punjabi Muslims fought against British from the side of the Sikhs but not the Hindus. Punjab was never part of India. Name "India" didn't even come until the east India company. British had occupied the whole of India but then Punjab was not part of British empire. It was a separate country. British ruled over India for more than 200 years and for 92 years over Punjab, Khalistan. After British took over Punjab it became part of British empire and when India gained independence it was handed over to the Indian government to be ruled. It was because of Hindus that Sikhs lost their country.

Before India became independent the Hindus leaders of the new nation Nehru and Gandhi promised that Sikhs would be given full rights in India and that no law would be passed without consulting Sikhs.

"...in future, the Congress shall accept no constitution which does not meet with the satisfaction of the Sikhs" (The Lahore session of the Congress Party. December 31, 1929)

"...the brave Sikhs of Punjab are entitled to special considerations. I see nothing wrong in an area set up in the North of India wherein, the Sikhs can also experience the glow of freedom." (Jawahar Lal Nehru, Lahore Bulletin, January 9, 1930)

"I ask you to accept my word and the Resolution of the Congress that it will not betray a single individual much less a community. Let God be the witness of the bond that binds me and the Congress with you (the Sikhs). When pressed further Gandhi said that Sikhs would be justified in drawing their swords out of the scabbards as Guru Gobind Singh had asked them to, if Congress would renege on its commitment." (Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, Young India, March 19, 1931)

"You (Sikhs) take my word that if ever the Congress or I betray you, you will be justified to draw the sword as taught by Guru Gobind Singh" (M. K. Gandhi).

After the British left India, Sikhs were fired from their jobs and Hindus were hired. Then Indian constitution was written but Sikhs refused to sign it in the house of parliament because under Amendment (Dhara) 25 it declared Sikhism as part of Hinduism. When Sikhs talked to Nehru about their rights, he said "The time has changed now. If you wanted to live freely then why didn't you demand for a separate country from British?" Look at some more quotes that explain the real attitude of Hindus towards Sikhs.

" To preserve the unity of India, if we have to eradicate 2-kror [ 20 millions ] Sikhs, we will do so. (Balram Jhakhar, a colleague of P.V. Narsimharao, the former Indian Prime Minister)

" The Sikhs are a lawless people and a menace to the law abiding Hindus ... The [Government] should take strict measures against them." (Pandit Nehru, Indian Prime Minister, on Sikhs)

"Kya main taqat dushman (the enemy -the Sikhs) ke haath main de dun (How can I entrust power into the hands of the enemies)." (Jawahar Lal Nehru, 1961)

" I hate the very physique of a Sikh because of the turban and beard. " (Vallabh Bhai Patel, late Indian top politician)

"I don't give a damn if the Golden Temple and whole of Amritsar are destroyed, I want Bhindranwale dead." (Indira Gandhi, Indian Prime Minister, communicating with Gen. Vaidya during "Operation Blue Star")

"We have broken the back of the Sikhs and we will get them elsewhere." (M. M. K. Wali, Indian Foreign Secretary, June 7, 1984, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Radio 740, As It Happens)

"Let us teach these bastards (the Sikhs) a lesson." (Rajiv Gandhi, October 31, 1984)

"... a threat to the villagers that all males would be killed and their women taken to army camps to breed a new race if there was any militant activity in their village." (Brig. R. P. Sinha, Indian Army, March 8, 1991)

"You do not know the might of our armed forces. We will eliminate 10,000 Sikh youths and the world will know nothing about it." (Chander Shekhar, former Prime Minister of India, CK, 21st October, 1991)

When China attacked India from the side of Nepal and Kashmir, coincidentally, Nehru was near Nepal. When he heard the news of war, he forgot all about his peaceful speeches and called for the army. The military didn't arrive there for a few days. There were only 500 Sikhs who fought China and held Chinese army back. Nehru was saved by Sikhs and he came back to Delhi. As soon as he came back he said "How can I entrust power into the hands of the enemies?" Nepal's side was saved but China took over some of Kashmir which is still under their rule.

In India all states were created on the language basis but Punjab was not declared a Punjabi State. Sikhs started demanding for a Punjabi state and Sikhs launched a peaceful morcha. More than 100,000 Sikhs were arrested but the government paid no attention to this matter. Nehru said "If there ever be a Punjabi state then all Sikhs will have to move to Punjab and the government will not be responsible for their safety." The morcha went on. During this morcha, Indian police walked in Darbar Sahib with their shoes on and tear gas was thrown inside the main building. In 1965 the war broke out between India and Pakistan. It was Sikhs who fought bravely and defeated Pakistan. Hindus couldn't stand in front of Pakistan's army. After seeing loyalty of Sikhs, Indian government decided to create a Punjabi state but it was divided into three parts Haryana, Himachal Pardesh and whatever left was became Punjab. Other two parts became Hindi states and Punjab was declared a Punjabi state. Punjab was divided on purpose because Indian government had seen bravery of Sikhs and the government was afraid that if Sikhs turn against Indian government, they will take over or if they by any chance demand for a free Punjab then they won't have much land. Indian government also divided the Sikh army into many battalions. Indian government always wanted to divide Sikhs and it did by walking on the steps of British and adapting their theory called "divide and rule."

The Indian government says Punjab was divided on the basis of language . The government says Sikhs did not occupy the majority in Punjab and Punjabi was not spoken in all parts of Punjab. But the fact is, the Indian government didn't want Sikhs to become majority which would make Hindu majority the leader of Punjab. In Patiala, when Sikhs outnumbered Hindus by 14,000, Nehru and Patel moved about 30 thousand Hindus in Patiala to show that Sikhs were a minority. Hinduism is a caste religion. Low caste people didn't have any rights in India. So they started converting to Sikhism because Sikhism gives equality to all people. Number of these low caste people were about 140 to 150 million and they were from 34 different castes. Seeing this Nehru and Patel gave more rights to low caste people and said only Hindus will have these rights. This stopped their conversion. Only 4 out of those 34 castes were considered Sikhs. Others claimed themselves as Hindus. Today, low caste people like Harijans have more rights. They even have reserved seats in colleges regardless of their grades. This was because of Patel.

Furthermore, Punjab's capital Chandigarh was also made the capital of Haryana. There is no high court in Punjab. Punjab has no control over its water, electricity and dams. All the electricity produced in Punjab is sent to Haryana, Rajasthan, Himacham Pardesh and Delhi. These states are given hydro projects which is affordable and cheap. The electricity that Punjab is given comes from the thermal plant which is more expensive. Don't think its better for Punjab. Instead it is worse because most of the electricity will be used by farmers who happen to be Sikhs. This means they will have to pay more than others. It doesn't effect Hindus because they live in cities and work in other professions. Cheap electricity which belongs to Punjab and which could save Sikh farmers some money is given to the other Indian states.

The government increased its activities against Sikhs in late the 70s which led to massacre of thirteen Sikhs in 1978 who were peacefully protesting against an Indian agent who was preaching anti Sikh material. When Sikhs filed a case in the supreme court in Punjab, it was heard in Haryana because the majority was Hindus in that state. Those majority people (Hindus) accused Sikhs for causing the trouble and the agent and his followers were released. This really outraged Sikhs. At that time a person named Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale started preaching Sikhism in Punjab and all over India. He spoke against Indian activities against Sikhs. His speeches made Sikhs realize that they were not free in India. They were being treated like second class citizens. Sikhs started demanding more rights and wanted to be treated like first class citizens.

Sikhs launched a peaceful march. A band of 51 Sikhs would go to protest peacefully and would get arrested by the police. But Indian government didn't care and more than 150,000 Sikhs were arrested. This lasted for more than two years. In between this time, the police burnt copies of Sri Guru Granth Sahib at Mehta Choank, killed many Sikhs in fake encounters. But not a single case was filed. On the other hand when a Hindu was killed by police, prime minister Indira Gandhi herself came over to his house and gave his family money. His case was filed within hours. But police and the government did not do anything when copies of Sri Guru Granth Sahib were burnt. Many Sikhs were killed but their families didn't receive anything from the government. Indian government completely showed that one Hindu's life was more important than not only 150 Sikhs that were killed but also Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

When Sikhs lost all the hopes from the government, they raised arms as instructed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji to get freedom. Seeing this Indian government launched a sudden attack on Golden Temple and killed thousands of Sikhs. Other 45 Gurdwaras were also attacked by the army. Women were dishonored. Many innocent children were killed. After the attack was over all Sikhs inside the Golden Temple were taken out, lined up and then shot dead. Reference library which included many hand written scriptures and priceless antiques was burnt. One bullet had gone through Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Indian troops walked inside Golden Temple with their shoes on. They smoked cigarettes, drank alcohol inside the Gurdwara which was highly disrespectful to the Sikh faith. If there was Khalistan, there would have been no attack on the Golden Temple.

After Indira Gandhi was killed, Hindus killed more than 5,000 Sikhs within five days and these riots were led by the congress. Sajjan Kummar (still alive), Lalat Makan and Arjan Das (killed by Sukhdev Singh and Harjinder Singh) were congressmen who played a major role in these riots. They were gives orders by Rajiv Gandhi, Narsima Rao and Attal Bihar Vaajpai (Indian prime minister now). Many Hindu criminals were released from jails to kill Sikhs and each was given 500 rupees and one bottle of liquor. Congressmen gave Hindus the list of Sikhs' properties and their home addresses. Hindus went from house to house, dragged Sikhs, especially young males, out of their homes and burnt them alive. Their properties were looted and destroyed. Hindus' target was to kill Sikh males from age 10 to 40. Women above age of 14 were dishonored. This went on without any interruption from the police. In fact, the police was helping these mobs. Every bus on the road was stopped and checked if there were any Sikhs traveling in it. If they found any Sikh, he was killed on the spot. Police was motivating the mobs by saying "If Sikhs were given even one day to kill Hindus, they would've killed all Hindus in India. You, on the other hand are too slow." These brutal things happened to Sikhs in India. If there was Khalistan there would've been no riots and Hindus wouldn't have dared to attack Sikhs.

Sikhs are being killed in fake encounters. There is disappearance of Sikh youth in Punjab. Indian government has killed from 1 to 1.2 million Sikhs and about 70 thousand Sikhs are in jail. Here are some of the methods of torture, humiliation and atrocities used by Indian Government against the Sikhs. These are taken from www.saintsoldiers.net

To interrogate the Sikhs, a round log of wood is placed on their legs, and after putting heavy weight on the log it is rotated on the legs.

Chilly powder is sprinkled in the eyes and sex organs of the Sikhs.

Sikhs are hung upside down from the ceilings till they became unconscious.

The body joints are battered.

Electric shocks are administered to the genitals making most of the youth impotent

Sikh women, during interrogation, are hurt in their sex organs. Filthy abuse is showered on them.

Violence is inflicted on the parents in presence of their sons and daughters and vice-versa.

Brothers are forced to beat sisters and vice versa. violence is inflicted on adult girls after stripping them naked and their sex organs are damaged. They are sexually assaulted, pregnancies are terminated of the expectant females.

Crotchets are pulled apart.

The victims of inhuman violence are made to sit naked in winter, and under the sun in summer, kept sleepless for days in solitary cells.

Sikhs are subjected to severe beatings and filthy abuse in the presence of their village folks.

Dead bodies of Sikhs killed in fake encounters are not handed over to their parents to conceal marks of excessive violence

The state manipulates tailored post mortem reports from the doctors, and burns the dead bodies of the Sikhs after falsely declaring them unclaimed.

All sorts of excesses are made on the parents of underground Sikh youths.

Indiscriminate atrocities are committed on the parents of the underground youth of the area where some militant action takes place.

Atrocities are committed without caring for one's age, health, life or death. If some one luckily survives such brutal excesses, it is well and good But if one dies while under "interrogation", then such a dead body is taken out, pierced with some bullets, and a news item is sent that a dreaded terrorist has been shot dead in an encounter

Houses of underground Sikh youths are demolished, their belongings are looted, crops destroyed, their tube well motors are taken away, and they are prevented from sowing crops.

Even animals of the families of underground Sikh youth are subjected to police anger. After summoning the families to the police station, villagers are told not to take care of the animals of the families of the underground youth. Generally the animals starve to death.

False cases are registered against innocent Sikh youths, later they are let off taking fat bribes.

Reporters giving true reports are arrested, an undeclared censorship is imposed on them to stop them from exposing police atrocities.

Peaceful protests by the Human rights organizations are prohibited.

Press is used to launch vicious and false propaganda against the Sikhs.

Hardened criminals are inducted into Sikh movement to help in arresting the Sikh revolutionaries and sabotage the movement. Such criminals are inducted to tarnish the fair name of the Sikh revolutionaries are now called the "Black Cats" in the Punjab. Under SSP Izhar Alam, such criminal gangs were named the "Alam Sena." Besides, such police sponsored bands of criminals also operated under the name of Panthic Tiger Force and "Red Brigade." The director general of the police himself admitted about the "Black Cats" bands. In his interview to the India Today on Sept. 15, 188, KPS Gill had announced without an iota of shame that the security forces in Punjab cannot do anything without the help of secret bands (Black Cats).

Thousands of innocent pilgrims, children, females, aged people, who got encircled in the Golden Temple during Operation Bluestar were made to die through starvation and thirst. The whole of Punjab was converted into a vast jail by clamping curfew on the entire area. The army bulletin branded all Amritdhaaree's as terrorists.

Indian army desecrated the Gurdwaras and committed such atrocities on the Sikhs that even the soul of Ahmed Shah Abdali might have felt ashamed of.

The targets of army guns were none else but religious persons, devotees, pilgrims, ladies, old people, children or some militants whom the Indian government deemed as terrorists.

No neutral observer was allowed to take stock of the situation.

The injured during the attack on the Golden Temple were subjected to extreme partiality. Whereas every assistance and facility was made available to the injured army personnel, there was no such provision for the wounded belonging to the other side.

The number of prisoners taken was rather small. There is ample scope for doubt that the Indian army had thought it better to eliminate the thousands of people seized in the Golden Temple instead of taking them prisoners or having to provide them with medical assistance.

No need was felt to perform religious rites for the dead pilgrims and devotees.

Before consigning the dead bodies to flames, no effort was made to identify them. No relatives were informed.

No dead bodies were handed over to the next of kin. In such a situation only the dead or those wishing to be dead could be present at the last rites.

All dead bodies were placed in heaps and then con- signed to flames. IT was never insured that among the dead there could also be some Muslim devotees. To cremate is against the tenets of Islam.

No need was felt to give a list of the dead to the Red Cross or any other International Agency

Despite such atrocities, no commission was appointed to go into this dark episode. Even the British, the foreign rulers, had cared to appoint the Hunter commission to inquire into the Jallianwalla Massacre which was of a much less magnitude on the other hand. The Indian government, on the other hand, took all steps to hide the excesses of the army.

These days, Indian government has flooded Punjab with Dehdhari Gurus (human fake Gurus) who preach against Sikhism. RSS, Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dal with the support of Indian government are distributing drugs in colleges. Sikhs are being humiliated in newspapers, on televisions and in movies. Anti-Sikh books are being published by the government to prove that Sikhism is part of Hinduism and Sikhs are Hindus although they will never succeed. If there was Khalistan, there would be no bars in Punjab, no anti Sikh propaganda, no humiliation of Sikh character by the media, and no drug distribution on the land of the Gurus.

Some people have many different questions on Khalistan. So I will try to answer those question to the best of my knowledge. First lets look at what American Sikhs of Sikhnet.com say about Khalistan.

"The Gurus believed in creating harmony between people of different faiths, so that we could all live together as children of the same God. Khalistan, to me, doesn't support that mission. It creates even more divisions in the name of religion when the Khalsa are here to protect and serve so that religions don't divide people any more. If all of the money, time and energy different people spent on trying to create Khalistan were instead channeled into securing true freedom of religion for all people, the Sikhs would be loved, honored and admired. Sikhs are here to serve the interests of the entire humanity, not just their own interests. This is what a sovereign does. Remember, the Khalsa are the spiritual royalty of the world. We are here to rule-not through power and politics, but through love and service. We are here to protect-not ourselves, but all people. We are here to secure that every human being has a chance to enjoy his or her life the way God intended. That is our duty. Khalistan distracts us from that duty."

Yes, Gurus did believe in creating harmony between people of different faiths but what if those faiths turn against us and don't let us fulfill our mission which is Khalsa's mission, then what? Shouldn't we fight for our rights as instructed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji? What is the meaning of the Kirpan if we don't fight for freedom? It is not about land, it is about freedom of religion, speech and everything else. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said that Khalsa should live a free life, but how can we live a free life under someone else's rule especially Hindu rule? Guru Gobind Singh Ji taught Sikhs to stay away from "Bipran Ki Reet". The only way to stay away from it, is by staying away from Hindus. Since 1947, more and more Sikhs have started following Bipran Ki Reet but not a single Sikh followed Bipran Ki Reet in 18th century. When Sikhs had their own country (1799-1849), it was the best era in Sikhism. Look at all the good things Sikhs did. Sikh population increased significantly. People from America and many European countries lived in the Sikh Kingdom. So did Sikhs not serve the humanity then? Who was not happy in the Sikh country? Not a single person was unhappy. At the fall of Sikh kingdom Hindus and Muslims both shed tears. This shows that Khalsa treated everyone equally. That's why people of all faiths cried from their hearts when British annexed Punjab.

In order to serve the humanity you need lots of money and power. To get money you need a country who would back you up. For example, how did Christian missionaries serve the humanity? They had many countries behind them which gave them all the money they needed. In India, Christian schools were opened by missionaries but the money was provided by England and America. If we have Khalistan, we can do better job in preaching the message of truth. Without political power, it is impossible because there will always be people against you and your religion. Indian government and Brahmins are well aware of Gurus message but they are doing their best job to destroy it because they are jealous of it. After learning the truth about Sikhism, the British tried to make many conflicts between Sikhs and tried to destroy Gurus message. Why were there no converts from English people after they learned the truth? Simple, its because they were jealous because Sikhism preaches the message of truth which conflicts with Christianity.

If we have Khalistan, it is a lot easier to do the job. Khalistan will provide money for preachers who would preach the truth. People will only hear you when you have the power, otherwise they will crush you. For example, famous scientist Galileo discovered the truth but did anyone listen to him? He didn't have any political power, so he was killed. Those Christian priests didn't listen to him even though he was telling the truth. If we send a Sikh preacher to preach to any country like Afghanistan, he would be killed because Muslims would not tolerate anything that conflicts with Islam. Then who would be responsible for his death? No country would put force on Afghanistan's government to punish the murderers. But if the same preacher is sent from Khalistan, he has political power behind him which means its less likely that he would be killed. There is a country behind him who supports him. Khalistani government would put pressure on Afghanistan's government to hand over the murderers so they could meet the justice. People will listen to Sikhs if Sikhs have power. Through power we can teach that people shouldn't fight on the name of religion and should live together. We should be worried about our safety first. By living in Khalistan, we can set an example for the people. Who would listen to you if you have no recognition in the world?

People would have better knowledge about Sikhism. If people see a person with a turban, they would say he is a Sikh from Khalistan. But today if a Sikh is seen, he is misunderstood to be a Muslim or Hindu. If a Sikh says he is from India, most people automatically assume he is a Hindu. How many people really know about the Sikh religion? Sikhism is more than 500 years old and yet only some 30 million people know the message of the Gurus. WHY? If there is Khalistan, the message of Gurus can be preached in better ways. Think about it. We can teach people how to rule with love and humility if we have Khalistan. Because Khalistan will set an example for them. Khalistan means freedom of religion. Why would Sikhs ask for freedom of religion if there was no interference in Sikhism by the Indian government? Indian government interferes in Sikhs' religious practices and this is why Sikhs demand freedom of religion. Without Khalistan we can hardly survive let alone the responsibility of preaching to others. We can't even solve our own issues and Sikhnet is talking about solving world issues and serve the humanity. Thousands of Sikhs were killed in 1984 and their families received no support from anyone. Shouldn't we take care of our people first and then set an example for others and teach them how to do it? For example, If I drink alcohol and tell someone else not to drink it, would he listen to me? It will be all in vain. We need to do it first which means taking care of those orphans whose parents sacrificed for Sikh faith. Have Sikhnet people served those people yet? They live in America. What do they know about situation of Punjab and Sikhs living there? They are definitely not serving people living in many third world countries. Besides, they have already separated themselves from the rest of the world by living in America. If Khalistan divides people then they are divided already because America is also separated from other countries. American government sent air force to Afghanistan that bombed many cities and killed many innocent people. Have Sikhnet people taught anything to their own government yet? Their own government divided them and separated them from the rest of the world. How can we preach freedom of religion if we are not free and don't have freedom of religion. As I have stated in beginning that Guru Gobind Singh Ji said in his own words "Raj Bina Nahin Dharam Chale Hain, Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain" means sovereignty is a MUST in order for a religion to survive otherwise religion perishes. Now should we listen to Sikhnet people and anti Khalistan people or Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Sikhism is a way of life which says religion, science and politics are together. That's why Akaal Takhat Sahib stands in front of Darbar Sahib. I just don't know how can Khalistan distract them from doing anything that Sikhi requires.

"All Sikhs-regardless of what their cultural background-recognize the line as saying, "Khalsa shall rule." The question is-in what manner will they rule? The ruler ship of Khalsa is not one of physical might, but one of spiritual sovereignty."

Very true, but Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh Ji, Baba Nand Singh Ji, Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale and many other saints have said that Khalsa Rule of the world shall come through humility. A Khalsa rules over his five thieves and maya which makes him a spiritual ruler. This means there is a spiritual sovereignty. If we look at Sikhs of 18th century, we find that each and every one of them was a real Sikh and Khalsa. They were real Sikhs who had total control over five thieves because they had reached the highest level of spirituality. So they were ruling spiritually already. The problem with the above interpretation is that it implies that no Khalsa has been capable of spiritual sovereignty because it says Khalsa will rule spiritually. Another question rises from this interpretation. It also implies that Sikhs have been reading "Raj Karega Khalsa" for over 300 years and they had been unable to understand its true meanings until these Sikhs came along. This is very wrong. All Sikhs knew what it meant. Only Khalsa is qualified for sovereignty. Now, if we look at the Shabad clearly, we find that "Khalsa" is referred to as a whole Panth not a single person. Because a Khalsa who becomes one with the Guru and has total control over five thieves has spiritual sovereignty already. So it must be referring to the whole Panth. When the whole Panth gets together and wakes up in the morning to do Naam Simran, Khalsa Raj will come and there is no doubt about it. I don't say it, many respected Saints in the Panth have said it. Bhai Rama Singh Ji from England has said the same thing and it is well written in his book. Guru Ji has given us the Raj but are we well qualified or capable of ruling? The only way Khalsa is qualified to rule is when Khalsa does Naam Simran and follows the Rehat Maryada of Guru Ji. Today Sikhs are not doing that. Most of Sikhs do not even take Amrit. So are we qualified? No we are not. Sikhnet people have no understanding about the Sikh history of 18th century.

"Being a Sikh in Northern India is both a cultural ethnicity and a spiritual identity. Because of that-there are a lot of issues that you face in the Punjab related to politics, society and culture. Those of us who have become Sikhs in the West already have a cultural and political identity. However, Sikhs in the Punjab have political, social and economic challenges to face. Because of that, you connect very strongly with Guru Gobind Singh's message of standing up to tyranny and becoming sovereign over your own life. We firmly believe that when people are willing to live in tune with the Will of God, then all these social, political and economic injustices will automatically come back into balance. But as long as people do not live surrendered to the Will of God, the imbalances will continue. If it God's will that the Sikhs have an independent state, then all you need to do is meditate and learn how to surrender yourself to God's Will and by His hand, without any effort from your ego, it shall happen."

There are many problems with the above statements. First they say they don't support dividing people but now they say "It is not their issue that Punjabi Sikhs are being killed in India." When a person takes Amrit he loses his own identity and his caste. After taking Amrit he/she belongs to Anandpur Sahib and his father is Guru Gobind Singh Ji and mother Mata Sahib Kaur Ji. Anandpur Sahib is in Punjab. So either you belong to Punjab or you belong to America. According to the above statement Sikhnet people do not want to belong to Anandpur Sahib. They say they already have a culture but American culture is so anti-Sikh. Just look at it. Does American culture fit in Sikh religion? Not at all. When you become a Sikh your identity either political or spiritual becomes one. So there is no point in saying that they have different political identity. There is no political system better than Akal Takhat's Sahib which was set up by Guru Ji. By saying they already have a political identity they mean that they don't belong to political system of Guru Gobind Singh instead they belong to American politics which is created by humans. Once you are 21 you can legally buy drugs and smoke tobacco in America. This is American law. Is this the identity they belong to???? Use of tobacco and drugs is prohibited by Sikh faith and is against Sikh principles. So American political laws conflict with Guru's political system. If you are a Sikh, you belong to Anandpur Sahib and the highest political authority for you becomes Akaal Takhat Sahib. Did Panj Pyare not tell them this or they are sticking with American political system on purpose? Sikhs are connected with Akaal Takhat Sahib just as the Catholics are connected with the Vatican.

Sikhs are not fighting because they want to rule over others. They are fighting for the truth because Indian government attacked Golden temple and killed thousands of Sikhs. Khalsa is fighting against oppression. Khalistan is not about political issues. It is about religious freedom. Guru Ji taught us to fight for the truth and for justice. Did Guru Ji not fight for justice? He did and so is His Khalsa. Sikhs in the 18th century fought for truth and the right cause. Did they not live in tune with will of God? Guru Gobind Singh Ji fought against oppression because Guru Ji said "When all other means have failed, it is your right to raise arms and fight for your rights." This is exactly what Sikhs are doing. We have to be both Saints and Warriors. Practicing Naam Simran and fighting against oppression at the same time is what Guru Ji has taught us. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said that sovereignty is a MUST for a religion otherwise it perishes. Do they have different interpretation of this? If the only purpose of Sikhi is to meditate and accept the will of God then what was the point of building Akaal Takhat Sahib?

The whole point is to fight for the truth while doing Naam Simran and following Sikhi. Besides, fighting for justice and righteousness is part of Sikhi which they are not following. A Khalsa should fight his inner thieves and outer thieves. If you don't fight then anyone can take over you. If everything is only about meditating then Guru Nanak Dev Ji wouldn't speak against Babur. Babur didn't do anything to Guru Ji but Guru Ji spoke for human rights and the truth. Why didn't Guru Ji just say "these are not my issues. I am not being harmed. If others are being harmed then its not my problem?" Why didn't Guru Ji say this if this is the right way? Why didn't Guru Nanak Dev Ji wait for God to end the whole oppression? Why did Guru Ji have to speak for the people?

Why should we wait for God to do something? "God helps those who help themselves" (Benjamin Franklin-an American politician and forefather). This is very true. If we should wait for God to do something then why didn't Guru Ji wait for God to do something? Why did Guru Ji fight? Why did Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji sacrifice to save the Hindu religion? He could've waited for God to fix the whole problem but He didn't because Guru Ji knew it was not the right way. If we just sit back and start doing Naam Simran then anyone would be able to crush us. Guru Ji made us Saint-Warriors. So where is the warrior spirit in Sikhnet people? God gave us two hands and Kirpan is given by Guru Gobind Singh Ji and we have to fight for our rights with our hands if it comes to it. Sikhs are instructed to make their own destiny not to just sit back and wait for God to do it. Then what would be the purpose of God given hands? For example, look at Jews. They are accepting the will of God but there are less Jews in the world than Sikhs. Did they not accept will of God in WW2 in which they lost 6 million of their people? Had they fought using their hands, the outcome of the holocaust may be different. They have suffered for over 5000 years but if they had fought against oppression it would have been a lot different.

The Indian government's plan was to go to every village to kill Sikhs which was called Operation Wood Rose but the Sikh army rebelled and government's attention turned to rebellions, otherwise they would've killed all Sikhs. I speak for human rights whether it be Sikhs or Jews or Christians. I think the Sikhnet people are missing the whole point. By the time they realize the truth, it will be too late but Khalsa Shall Rule. Punjab belongs to us and we will rule it. I want to ask them one question: If the whole American government turns against them (Sikhnet people) and their children are killed in the streets, men are burnt alive, women are dishonored and the government doesn't punish the criminals, would they still say that they are proud to be Americans or would they rather support a separate country? Would they still live among those who killed them? Would they raise a sword and fight like Guru Gobind Singh Ji has taught us or they rather spend their time in serving the criminals and not fight for justice? Or would they just forget about the whole thing, get themselves killed and wait for God to do something. Guru Ji said "Soora So Pehchaniye Jo Lare Deen Ke Heth which literally means "Brave are those who fight for truth and justice with honor and valor." So why shouldn't we fight to protect religion. If we should wait for God to do it then why did Guru Ji say these lines? Just for the heck of it? Think about it. Perhaps they should get themselves out of the trap of passivist thinking and think about the teaching of Gurus only for a moment. We are responsible for our own actions and for doing good and bad things.

The Sikhnet people say they belong to America but their own government doesn't recognize them. September 11 was a very bad disaster for Sikhs. How many Americans know about Sikhi? These Americans killed Sikhs. Sikhs were attacked all over the country (look at attacks on Sikhs http://www.attacksonsikhs.com/viewreports.cfm). If there was a Sikh country to back up the foreign Sikhs and to give them support, this wouldn't have happened. Sikhs should always wear a Kirpan but Sikhs are not allowed to wear Kirpans on airplanes, and other government places. Not even in most schools. Sikhs have been living in America for over 100 years and yet American government hasn't understood the significance of Kirpan and they never will until there is a country that represents Sikhs. Sikhs are not admitted in the army and police. In America, which is the most democratic country in the world, Sikhs are being discriminated. In Khalistan Sikhs will be allowed to wear Kirpans everywhere and only then the world would learn about the true message of Sikhi.

If there was a Sikh country, no one would have attacked Gurdwaras and killed Sikhs. If there was a Sikh country, the situation would have been different and Punjab wouldn't be stuck between the nuclear war of India and Pakistan. If there is a war, the whole of Punjab will be destroyed. How does their community service help solving the real problems of Sikhs? The Indian government is spending billions of rupees to bring Sikhism into the fold of Hinduism. How does their community service help Sikhs to stop Indian government, RSS and Noormahals from attacking their Sikh brothers in Punjab and India? How?

Sikhs are fighting to keep their distinction and appearance, to save their religion and to keep Sikhi alive. If that means a separate country then why not? It doesn't mean we want to divide the world but shouldn't we think about securing Sikh faith first and all the virtues it stands for? If the Indian government doesn't like us and doesn't want to live with Sikhs, then why shouldn't we just be separated? When we gain power we can promote Sikhi and teach the message of the Gurus and universal brotherhood. Can this not be done? Khalistan is not for bad purpose. When I ask any non-Punjabi Sikh about Khalistan, the vast majority have the same answer that they don't want to be separated or wouldn't want to move to Khalistan. But who says you have to move. Sikhs will still live in other countries. But most of Sikhnet people reply in exactly the same words. Sounds like they need to learn the true purpose of fighting. Perhaps they are sticking with community service a lot but what if those people we want to help turn against us, should we not fight to defend ourselves? If yes, then that's exactly what Sikhs are doing. If no, then that is not Sikhi.

Now some general questions from Punjabi people. These are the people who are not Amritdhari. They don't practice Sikhism at all. They eat meat, drink alcohol, smoke and do everything that is prohibited by Gurus and yet they call themselves Sikhs. Before I go into their questions, I want to say that only an Amritdhari person is a Sikh. One who follows Guru's teaching is a Sikh and Khalistan is for Sikhs. Everyone will have religious freedom but people who commit adultery, smoke, drink alcohol etc. will not be allowed to live there because not only Sikhism but also all religions prohibit these things.

How would Khalistan survive economically?

Well, how did India and Pakistan survive after independence? These two countries' economy is going down everyday and yet they are surviving. UAE gained its independence in 1971 and it is surviving. Same way Khalistan will survive but it will not be a third world country because Sikhs are very hard working people. Punjab is a cultivated land and it provides most of the food for India. Punjab produces corn, wheat, sugarcanes, sporting goods, clothing, industrial material and many other commodities. Khalistani government will keep this stuff as much as it needs and the rest will be shipped out to other countries as a trade and in return oil and other needed things will be bought. No one in Khalistan will die out of hunger because if Punjab can provide food for 90% of the Indian population then it surely can provide food for everyone in Khalistan because the population in Khalistan will be a lot less than Indian population.

Who will be the leader of Khalistan?

Panj Pyare will be the leaders of Khalistan. Elections will be held every four years and people will choose Panj Pyare. These Panj Pyare will rule under the authority of Akaal Takhat Sahib. Every city will have Panj Pyare as its leader. There will be no bad leaders in Khalistan because when Khalsa Panth starts doing Naam Simran in the morning, it will gain spiritual power which no one will be able to destroy. Foundation of Khalistan will be laid upon the power of Naam Simran. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "When Khalsa starts following the true path of the Guru Granth Sahib and abandons all the bad things, I will give them sovereignty." So when the time for Khalistan comes, every Sikh will be a true Sikh and there will be no bad people in Sikhism. Guru Ji said "Raaj Karega Khalsa Aakki Rahe Na Koe" which means Khalsa shall rule and there will be no one against Khalsa. Khalsa Raj (Khalistan) shall come for sure. Khalistan will be a true Khalsa Raj.

How will the trading be done?

There are many land lock countries in the world. Don't those countries survive? Indian government will be defeated and Khalistan will be liberated, so Khalsa will occupy the sea ports directly but Indian government will have access to it. Air planes can be used for trading also.

What would happen if there is war between Pakistan and India?

Neither Pakistan nor India would dare to step on Khalistan's boundaries. India has fought two wars with Pakistan and every time Pakistan was defeated because only Sikhs fought on the boundaries of Punjab. Sikhs are a martial race. British recognized that soon after Punjab was annexed. Guru Gobind Singh Ji made Sikhs saint-warriors. Sikhs in Khalistan will be true saints and warriors. They will have power of Naam Simran because they will free Khalistan on the power of Naam Simran and one who has this power is never afraid of anyone other than God. By doing Nam Simran one never fears death. We have numerous example from the 18th century. So Sikhs will be very powerful and Pakistan would not try to mess with the Sikhs and Hindus can't fight, so there is no question that Indian government will ever dream of attacking Khalistan. If there is war between India and Pakistan, they will have to fight it outside of Sikh territory. Khalistan will be a true Khalsa Raj as described by Guru Ji and Guru Ji said when Khalsa Raj comes that will be the end of wars in the world. Nostradamus and many scholars have made prophecies about Sikh rule which will be heaven on the earth but you have to look at religious teachings to understand this concept.

What about control over Gurdwaras outside of Khalistan?

Well, all the Gurdwaras will be directly controlled by the Khalistani government run under Akaal Takhat Sahib. Khalistan will be a powerful country and Akaal Takhat Sahib will establish an organization that will take care of all the Gurdwaras outside of the country. Right now, Indian government is not doing anything about the Gurdwaras in Pakistan, Afghanistan and other countries because Indian government doesn't want Sikhs to be attached with their Gurdwaras. Indian government thinks the only way to destroy Sikhism is to keep Sikhs away from Guru Granth Sahib's message and the Gurdwaras. Gurdwaras outside of India are still standing without the support of Indian government but when there is Khalistan, the government will do its best to take care of these holy places and agreement will be made with the other countries that would give the direct control over the Gurdwaras.

Mostly people refer to Gurdwaras in Pakistan but Pakistani Punjab will be part of Khalistan as well because the whole Punjab belongs to Sikhs. Sikhs have beaten Pakistan twice already so there would be no problem defeating it one more time.

There is no constitution?

Yes, there is but people just never search for it. Khalistan will be totally based on the principles of Gurus. Gurbani is the constitution. There is not and can never be a better constitution than Gurbani. Guru Ji wrote this constitution more than 400 years ago. But look at the reality. Constitution of the USA was written ten years after thirteen colonies gained independence. Constitution of India was written three years after it gained independence. If these countries can write their constitution after independence then why can't we? Just mere excuses.

We should free it peacefully?

Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "Koi Kisi Ko Raaj Na Dehain, Jo Lehain Nij Bal Se Lehain" which means "no one gives one freedom and sovereignty, the only way to gain independence is by through power." So is Guru Ji wrong? No definitely not. Thousands Sikhs were killed because they did not have arms and weapons to defend them from mobs. Had they had weapons they would have protected themselves just like couple of Sikhs protected Sees Ganj Sahib Gurdwara in Delhi from four thousand Hindus by taking up arms. Power is not just war with weapons but also war with the pen, intellect, diplomacy and justice. Sikhs lack these today which is why Sikhs need Khalistan.

Some people say that their families were killed on the name of Khalistan so they don't support it. But they should look at the facts. If there was Khalistan their families would have never gotten killed. Also, their families were killed because they were Sikhs. Five thousand Sikhs didn't support Khalistan when they were killed in the streets. They were killed because they were Sikhs. Indian government just used the name of Khalistan as an excuse but in reality Indian government never liked any Sikh whether he was Khalistani or Indian.

Some people ask What does Khalistan mean for Sikhs in foreign countries? Well, the answer is simple. Khalistan will play a great role in the lives of foreign Sikhs. A strong country will represent them and will preach Sikhi. Foreign countries will understand the true meaning of Kirpan and Sikhs will be allowed to wear Kirpans at all places. Now, Sikhs can't wear Kirpans on airplanes, immigration office, courts and even jails. Governments will never understand the true meaning of Kirpan unless a country represents Sikhi and supports this idea. People think of Sikhi as just a sect because there is no representation of Sikhi in world's politics. Jews thought Christianity was a sect but this changed when Christians took over some countries and they became a separate religion. Khalistan will represent all Sikhs living anywhere in the world. After 9/11 a Sikh was killed in Arizona and many were attacked but the government didn't do much about it. No one even remembers that Sikh now. Khalistan will preach Sikhi and will represent Sikhi and will force the foreign governments to take control and punish the criminals. There will be less discrimination, killing and misunderstanding about Sikhi. In fact, there will be no more misunderstanding and discrimination when there is Khalistan. You will see, Khalistan will be the most powerful country in the world. I can go on but I think you understand what I mean.

Also, I think the Panthic Rehat Maryada should be one before there is Khalistan because Sikhs should be connected to each other spiritually. If we drop our differences and keep our own different Rehat Maryada then we won't become a single family. Even if we assume that after keeping our differences we manage to free Khalistan then which Rehat Maryada will be issued from Akaal Takhat Sahib? Sikhs will end up fighting with each other. Example of the thirteen colonies is a perfect example to look at. The thirteen colonies dropped their difference and defeated British. After they gained independence, they became so weak because there was no central government. They started fighting each other internally to gain more power. So I personally think we should become one first and have one Rehat Maryada. Besides, Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us one Rehat Maryada not many.

According to the book of Bhai Rama Singh "Roop Gobind Ka, Raj Khalse Da, Sikka Sone Da" the Khalsa Raj will come for sure. He was a great person with very high spirituality. He has written many things about Khalistan. I recommend everyone to read it because it explains the true concept of Khalistan. It also explains how Khalistan will be free and how Indian government will be defeated. So if you want to learn the real truth read this book, otherwise you will miss a lot about the concept of Khalistan.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji gave the sacrifice and we became victorious. Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji gave the sacrifice, and we became victorious. Guru Gobind Singh’s entire family gave the sacrifice and we became victorious. Today, our Akal Takhat has chosen to offer itself as a sacrifice, and we shall not lose. We will get our Khalistan.

So get those doubts about Khalistan out of your minds. Khalistan will come. Sikhs will rule Punjab because Punjab belongs to Sikhs and it is their birthright. Finally I want to say Khalistan is needed for some of the following reasons:

A central government that represents Sikhs

All Sikhs of all races need a homeland

It is the duty of all Sikhs to protect Sikhi

To keep Sikhi alive by promoting it in other countries in better ways and offer PhDs of Guru Granth Sahib in Sikh universities

A peaceful life for all Sikhs which Sikhs haven't enjoyed since 1849

Freedom to wear Kirpan at all places

Complete break off from the Hindus and Bipran Ki Reet

No more discrimination, injustice and lies to Sikhs

No more oppression, holocausts and attacks on Golden Temple

No more disappearance of Sikhs in Punjab

No more killing of Sikhs in fake encounters

No more of insults of Sikh women, turban and Sikh principles

No more attacks on Sikh Gurus by Indian government's agents and many more reasons but I hope you understand now.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[Ideal Singh]

Not Sure !!

[commander]

At this point, no. Sometime in the future, maybe.

[Sardu]

Certainly No. There is no point!!!

[Guest]

if it was run correctly and civilised - no backhands from the indian govt and everything was done with the interests of everyone there - not just the sikhs.. then i would agree with it

at the moment people cant even run a gurdwara without havin a ruck... so whats teh use... :? :cry:

main thing is that people adopt the sikh lifestyle again - give up nasha - be submerged in naam and gurbani.. everything else will happen with the will of waheguru after that....

khalistan without khalsa is pointless

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[Jassa]

exactly steel....

but srdu..lol y is tehre no point??

[JOYce]

Salutations Gentelman,

I think Khalaism dont reuired a place to be uploud.

COZ

Khalaism is a Revolution,

Khalaism is a Stream,

Khalaism is a Ardass,

Khalaism is a Dedication,

Khalaism is a Supreme Spirit,

Khalaism is a Holy Felling,

Khalaism is a path shower,

Khalaism is a process (to purify every aspect of Khalsa),

COZ

Khalaism is a not a mission,

Khalaism is a not a destination,

Khalaism is a not a one time job,

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Khalsaism dont required a place to flourish. It must be in the hearts & minds of people not on to a piece of Land.

So .... Make UR opinion bywise....

[jjj]

I am not in support of Khalistan nor against it. .. but I have a few questions coming up my mind.

1)Would be doing much better in terms of sikhi parchaar if we had a country of our own? Would we be having more people inclined towards Sikhi and more of the Khalsa Ideal which steel and joyce talked about if we had a nation of our own?

2)Would Sikhism spread more if we had a khalistan and would we be more free of 'bipran ki reet' and other contaminations done in our religion by RSS.

bhul chuk maaf karni.

[~*SiNghNi*~]

The Sikhs need a country to establish themselves and then kick out

all the corrupt leaders and then we can do our mission

The Sikhs are Akal Purakh di Fauj (the army of god), we need a

country now, the Sikhs had an empire from the days of Banda Singh Bahdur

because we needed it in order to survive, mahraja Ranjit Singh had

a very large and powerful empire to keep the Sikhs alive and to defend

us, you can't have an empire in todays world, we need a country

we shall have khalsa raj...more sooner than u non believers think

[Guest]

I have to say I thought that Khalistan would be a waste of time because of the attitude of some Sikhs, however after persuasion from a good friend recently I realised we do need our own country, our own rules, a place where the Khalsa rules.

There is too much Bahminism influencing Sikhi and I think by having a separate country would help in eradicating all this nonsense people have started copying from Hindu's to 'fit in'.

Gurfateh

Ps. One more vote FOR Khalistan!

[Ideal Singh]

The Sikhs need a country to establish themselves and then kick out all the corrupt leaders

:roll: I think I should the other way around... First kick out the corrupt leaders and .......................................................... "

[jjj]

Kicking out the corrupt leaders will only happen if Sikhs like ->You :sikhigrin: <- Get into the action of Indian Politics !

[jjj]

Why dont sikhs fight for an independent Kashmir? I mean isnt it the Khalsa ideal to help everyone.. but here we are only looking for our own raj. Just to give you an idea of what is happening in kashmir

Young girls were now being raped systematically by entire (Indian) army units rather than by a single soldier as before. Girls are taken to soldier's camps and held naked in their tents for days on end. Many never return home....Women are strung up naked from trees and their breast lacerated with knives, as the (Indian) soldiers tell them that their breast will never give milk again to a newborn militant. Women are raped in front of their husbands and children, or paraded naked through villages and beaten on the breasts."

(The Independent, September 18, 1990)"Subjugated, humiliated, tortured and killed by the 650,000-strong Indian army, the people of Kashmir have been living through sheer hell for more than a year, the result of an increasingly brutal campaign of state repression. India hides behind its carefully-crafted image of "non-violence" and presents itself in international forums as a model of democracy and Pluralism. Yet, it is unable to stand up the scrutiny of even its admirers. All journalists, especially television crews, were expelled from the Valley. With no intrusive cameras to record the brutalities of the Indian forces, the world has been kept largely in the dark." (The Toronto Star, January 25, 1991)

"The security forces have entered hospitals, beaten patients, hit doctors, entered operating theaters, smashed instruments. Ambulances have been attacked, curfew passes are confiscated."

(Asia Watch, May 1991)

"While army troops dragged men from their homes for questioning in the border town of Kunan Pushpura, scores of women say they were raped by soldiers....a pregnant Kashmiri woman, who was raped and kicked, gave birth to a son with a broken arm."

(Melinda Liuin, Newsweek, June 24, 1991)

[Anthony Wood and Ron MaCullagh of the Sundav Observer (June 02, 1992) estimated that over 500 Indian army men were involved in this orgy of rape and plunder in Kunan Pushpura.]

"The worst outrages by the CRPF (Central Reserve Police Force) have been frequent gang rapes of all women in Muslim villages, followed by the execution of the men".

(Eric Margolis, The Ottawa Citizen, December 8, 1991)

"As the conflict in Kashmir enters its fourth year, central and state authorities have done little to stop the widespread practice of rape by Indian security forces in Kashmir. Indeed, when confronted with the evidence of rape, time and again the authorities have attempted to impugn the integrity of the witnesses, discredit the testimony of physicians or simply deny the charges everything except order a full inquiry and prosecute those responsible for rape".

(Asia Watch and Physicians for Human Rights, May 09, 1993)

"Since January 1990, rape by Indian occupation forces has become more frequent. Rape most often occurs during crackdowns, cordon and search operations during which men are held for identification in parks or schoolyards while security forces search their homes. In raping them, the security forces are attempting to punish and humiliate the entire community."

('Pain in Kashmir: A Crime of War' issued jointly by Asia Watch and Physicians for Human Rights, May 09, 1993)

"By beginning TV cameras and prohibiting the presence in Kashmir of the International Red Cross and of human rights organization, the Indian authorities have tried to keep Kashmir out of the news."

(`Kashmiri crisis at the flash point', The Washington Times, by columnist Cord Meyer, April 23, 1993)

"(On February 23, 1991), at least 23 women were reportedly raped in their homes at gunpoint (at Kunan Poshpora in Kashmir). Some are said to have been gang-raped, others to have been raped in front of their children ... The youngest victim was a girl of 13 named Misra, the oldest victim, name Jana, was aged 80".

(Amnesty International, March 1992)

"The most common torture methods are severe beatings, sometimes while the victim is hung upside down, and electric shocks. People have also been crushed with heavy rollers, burned, stabbed with sharp instruments, and had objects such as chilies or thick sticks forced into their rectums. Sexual mutilation has been reported".

(Amnesty International, March 1992)

[gagan]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

No we are not ready for Khalistan yet. If India gave Sikh Khalistan, how many of you would actually go to Khalistan now and serve the country? Maybe there are a few of you that will go. But then again, there are bound to be some corrupt people in Khalistan, there always are in politics.

If Khalistan is created, then it will be the people of Panjab that will be in Khalistan, right? But have you seen the state of those people? Over 75% of the Sikhs that live in Panjab drink and take drugs. It is a fact that we, as NRI Sikhs are doing much better than people from back home. Now, if Khalistan was created, the majority of the people that are in Panjab now will be in Khalistan, but what is the point of Khalistan when all the people in Khalistan will not be Sikhs? Those people who drink and take drugs will have to be there because they have lived there all their lives, but that does not solve the problem. We as Sikhs aren't ready for Khalistan. We first have to become true Sikhs from within before we can go asking for Khalistan. And the people that need to realise this are the people that are living where Khalistan will be in the future. When we realise what we are and who we are, then we will not need to ask for Khalistan, as we will get it anyway. The Sikhs should be saint-soldiers, and if we really are saint-soldiers, then no army of the world will be able to stop us from what we want, but that can only happen when we, who call ourselves Sikhs, start acting like Sikhs, only then we can progress forward. YES, we need a Khalistan, but only when we are ready for it.

If I have said anything against anyone, or said anything that has deeply upset anyone, then bhul chhuk maaf karna jee, I am here to learn about my roots, just like everyone else, and share my true opinions on things, to tell you what I think, not what people want me to think.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[Guest]

I don't really support Khalistan, only Khalse Raj can do such a ting, i feel. But i really hate wot is happening 2 sikhs in Punjab. If we had Khalistan, would it make us an easy target? E.g. A Nuke Attack from our Neighbours?

I sometimes wished dat Punjab was a whole state again, like in da days of Maharaja Rangit Singh.

I heard dis from Amritdheri guy, "Its cos of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale dat ur here in dis country" e.g. UK, US, Austraila and ne other place there are Sikhs.

[CK]

I've never been to India/Panjab, perhaps once I do I will feel differently.

What concerns me is that in so many places I hear the name "Khalistan" tossed around like a panacea. Sometimes I feel like some people think that whatever is wrong with the Sikh religion, its people, culture, or ways will be magically fixed when we have "Khalistan" because once we have it we can all relax and life will be good. Not having Khalistan is an excuse for our ills, and not having Khalistan is the reason for evil in the world.

Sometimes this rubs me the wrong way because to me it also sounds like once we have Khalistan we can sit back and let someone else govern. It also sounds like Khalistan may even be used as an excuse for avoiding civic duties.

Every Sikh must take responsibility for themselves and their community. To have Khalistan as an exuse for not changing our own world as it stands is not a good priority. To think that once we have Khalistan we can sit back and the country will run itself is a recipe for disaster.

To have a populace that is too uneducated or disinterested to understand and participate in the goings of of a democracy leaves the door wide open for corruption to step in and take hold.

I'm not trying to be immune to the issues that Sikhs have faced in India. I understand that especially in a situation where the government decides they want to get their way (such as in 1984) it leaves the individuals helpless. I also understand that in 1946 Muslims were given their own land and Sikhs were not.

But before we talk about Khalistan, we have to be strong and smart. And, we have to play a role in what goes on around us. We have a duty to not take life around us as a spectator sport. There are lots of ways to take leadership, and there are plenty of ways to do so.

So....I guess I'll end my ramble by saying, I think at this point, we can make a better improvement by committing to improve where all of us live, rather than waiting for another country to be created.

[Babar shere]

:welcome:

:party:

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i have to say we need khaklistan but as bro and sis have said we need to kick out the currupt b******ds and makeit benifical for all of us

as sant bindrawala have said if they give us khalistan we would not object

and to answer the point a bro brought up of how many would go i would be the first and how ever many turned up it would be enoughwe would fight off any attack after all we are lions we have the blood line of our elders and have the memory of the saheeds that would make us stronger than any force.#

rupz tell any country to bring on their nuks us shere and shereenea will fight our way through well be unstoppable

any way the only country opposing sikh is India and the hindus ok and muslims but hindus mainly they know what we can do and thus there scarred remember in the olden times of marja ranjit singh a sikh general alled Hari Singh Nalwa _ he could fight a lion with his bear hands when leading an army of 500 men against 50,000 the 50,000 would run after hearing he was leading the men. he was another sikh who was unstoppable. any way ladies in india and pakistan used to quieteen and scare there children by saying "cop kar ja Nalwa ar yoga" thats how scarred they are

:twisted:

:bow:

ps thought this was cool and thus bow down to the greatest

[Babar shere]

:bling:

are u stupid or dont u know whats happening closer to home inv panjab whats happening to our motherws and sisters fathers and brothers

we must sort out the problem closer to home then expand

:stupid: :evil:

[Mission_Impossible]

THE SIKHS DO NEED A KHALISTAN OR FREE PUNJAB FOR THE SAFEGUARD OF SIKHS AND SIKHISM! DO NOT LET 1984 HAPPEN AGAIN, WHERE THE "INDIAN" HINDUS DESTROYED 80% OF OUR HOLY HISTORY!!! THEY MADE A JOKE OUT OF SIKHS AND SIKHISM WORLDWIDE CALLING THEM ALL TERRORISTS! THEY MAKE FUN OF SIKHS AND SPREAD ANTI-SIKH MESSAGES ON THEIR MEDIA, THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF UNJUSTIFIED "JOKES" ABOUT SIKHS! THEY HATE SIKHS AND SIKHISM AND WANT TO DESTROY IT, THEY ARE JEALOUS BECAUSE SIKHISM IS THE BEST RELIGION, THEY ARE IN DANGER OF LOSING THEIR CONTROL OF 500 MILLION LOW-CASTES WHO WOULD BECOME SIKH TOMORROW IF GIVEN THE CHANCE! DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THAT THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE? THE DAY THE LAST SIKH IS DEAD (GOD FORBID) THEY WILL BE THE FIRST ONES TO DANCE IN THE STREETS! REMEBER 1984! GOD BLESS THE SHAHEEDS! NEVER FORGET! FIGHT FOR YOUR RELIGION AND FREEDOM NOW!

Why dont sikhs fight for an independent Kashmir?

Firstly, it's not the Sikh's problem, the Kashmiri's should fight for themselves, also how can Sikhs help them (if they wanted to) when they can't even defend themselves? When there was Sikh Raj in Punjab (in the 1800's), the Kashmiri's were liberated by the Sikhs (Maharaja Ranjit Singh). However, Sikhs have no power anymore, they are merely a small part of the fraud "Indian" Union, so they can't help anyone YET, even themselves. They need a FREE PUNJAB, otherwise they are doomed to be swallowed up by Hinduism (assimiliation!). Hindus are very clever, they have already fooled most Sikhs into thinking they are all "Indians", the same people, culture etc. when they are clearly not. The next step is to enocourage inter-marriage, as well as flood the media with stupid images of Sikhs and great images of Hindus. For example, in the film, "Mission Kashmir", a Sikh soldier is shown "pissing his pants" in fear! Can you believe that? When it is a well known fact that Sikhs are the ones doing all the fighting and the Hindus are the ones running away from Kashmir with sh*t in their pants! If they are so brave why didn't they stay in their land and fight for themselves? "India" is trying to assimilate Sikhs, their agents are all over the internet trying to spread BS and divide the Sikhs. So many people (Hindus) come on the net pretending to be Sikhs and make stupid statements to try and divide and distort the faith, they hate Sikhs and want Sikhism to be destroyed... They come on to Sikhnet and say that all Sikhs who cut their hair are not Sikhs, well, if that's the case then Sikhism is on the verge of extinction! (Since 90% of Sikhs cut their hair) Not many people even know the true meaning of the Khalsa and what it is all about. A Sikh is a LEARNER, one who is on the PATH to becoming a Khalsa. Khalsa is not an APPEARENCE (turban and 5 K's), it is a unique state of mind (higher spiritual consiousness - True Enlightenment) which must be ACHIEVED through being a good Sikh and meditating on NAAM. It is ridiculous to say that one must become a Khalsa straight away, because that only means that the person is the same UNENLIGHTENED person but they just look different (they have turban and 5 K's etc.), so basically we are now just RITUALISING the Khalsa!!! Therefore I stress that one must make a true distinction between a Sikh and a Khalsa. Sikh = Learning the way to enlightenement (becoming Khalsa) and Khalsa = The Enlightend Sikh (Learner), but we are ALWAYS ALL UNITED AS SIKHS! The role of the Khalsa will be a special one, and that is to lead the Sikhs in times of prosperity and difficulty, only they should be given special privilleges, like running the Gurdwaras, Sikh centres and other Sikh Institutions...

I mean isnt it the Khalsa ideal to help everyone..

My friend, don't be so naive, you must FIRST HELP YOURSELF, before you can help any one else! Without a country of thier own, Sikhs and Sikhism are not safe! Once Sikhs are secure then they can think about others, the blind cannot lead the blind!

but here we are only looking for our own raj.

In order to build a house you must first have a foundation. Khalsa Raj in Punjab will be the foundation, the whole world will then be the house!

Just to give you an idea of what is happening in kashmir.

Kashmir is in a mess but it's up to the Kashmiri people to decide their own future, none of your/our business dude!

Kind Regards,

MI

P.S. I apologise to some of you here for not replying to e-mails but I have been really busy, hope you all understand... Thanks...

[Guest]

A Sikh is a LEARNER, one who is on the PATH to becoming a Khalsa. Khalsa is not an APPEARENCE (turban and 5 K's), it is a unique state of mind (higher spiritual consiousness - True Enlightenment) which must be ACHIEVED through being a good Sikh and meditating on NAAM. It is ridiculous to say that one must become a Khalsa straight away, because that only means that the person is the same UNENLIGHTENED person but they just look different (they have turban and 5 K's etc.), so basically we are now just RITUALISING the Khalsa!!!

I agree wid u on dis. I've started feeling dat Khalsa is becoming a ritual 2, and dats y sum ppl brake Amrit. Cos sum ppl tink dat by taking Amrit der ganna get 2 God even without doing Naam Simran! Den dey start saying i haven't achieved ne ting. I tink we've forgotten wot amrit is really 4? SGPC says dat we're surpose 2 pray 5 times a day, ppl will tink of it as a chore! I tink ppl hav 2 fall in luv wid Naam 1st.

Naam is also a form of Amrit. Guru Ji says dat reciting Gods name is da best religion.

Guru Ji also predicted dat we will 4get da teachings, and dat Sikhi will only be left in da name, which im starting 2 tink its tru for most sikhs e.g. Sikhs believing in caste system etc etc.

[Mr §ingh]

No offence RupZ BHaji but CAn u please provide referance for the following :

Guru Ji also predicted dat we will 4get da teachings, and dat Sikhi will only be left in da name, which im starting 2 tink its tru for most sikhs e.g. Sikhs believing in caste system etc etc.

Pg number etc?

thank you

[Guest]

Emperor Aurangzeb will be overwhelmed by the sight of Daya Singh and will start to tremble.

‘The Khalsa been resurrected! Good has not been done by Gobind Singh!’

I shall vanish (from sight) having given a kingdom; My name being Gobind

There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur.

I will have to return again to resurrect the Khalsa. They shall reside in the Punjab.

I shall make people from all four corners into one.

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...t=sikh+prophecy

[Mr §ingh]

thank you :shock:

[Mission_Impossible]

"There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur."

How sad! Bro's it's happening now! Look around you, the Khalsa has become a ritual! Now you don't have to be a good person or meditate on naam or be enlightend, just walk in and take Amrit, become a Khalsa (in name only, not spirit) and then struggle to keep this ideal identity until one day you just give up and blame Sikhism for your own faults! The person who is truly enlightend never has to "resist" because he/she would simply ignore all negative influences! For example, no matter how poor I am, I do not have to "resist" temptation to rob someone, I just ignore such thoughts because I am enlightend enough to know I am not going to do it! Such thoughts have no effect on me, PERIOD! When one is a true Khalsa, praying, doing good, not having urges to cut your hair or impress the ladies is something which becomes "natural", you don't have to work at it, do you see what I mean? Just like I won't steal from someone, in the same way, a TRUE Khalsa will not have such negative thoughts, because through meditation on Naam, he/she has cleaned his mind, body and soul of such impurities... If you are still having to "resist" worldy temptations like drinking, smoking, cutting hair etc. then there is something seriously wrong and one is not a true Khalsa (Enlightend Sikh), as he/she has not conquered the 5 demons! (Anger, greed etc.) Please think about this...

Kind Regards,

MI