PAL_07 Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 In the link below a great Muslim scholar talks about a great famous orthodox Christian saint who refers to Brahma… he says he’s a God but takes instructions from Akaal Purkh. the rapists in Vatican are no different to the Brahmins of India but this video is a great revelation of the greatness of Gurbani
PAL_07 Posted November 10 Author Report Posted November 10 The Orthodox Saint appears in 1 century after christ today there are 13 different forms of Christianity this is the state of them and the holy trinity is bull
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 2 hours ago, PAL_07 said: Has no descendants.
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 2 hours ago, PAL_07 said: The Orthodox Saint appears in 1 century after christ today there are 13 different forms of Christianity this is the state of them and the holy trinity is bull So you're saying Sikhi doesn't show God to be timeless and formless and away, unseen and yet infused into creation closer than close, and also manifest here?
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 2 hours ago, PAL_07 said: In the link below a great Muslim scholar talks about a great famous orthodox Christian saint who refers to Brahma… he says he’s a God but takes instructions from Akaal Purkh. the rapists in Vatican are no different to the Brahmins of India but this video is a great revelation of the greatness of Gurbani Love Muslims. There's no such thing as a great Muslim scholar of the Bible. Or they wouldn't be Muslim brother. Gurbani is indeed the greatest and it says the Bible isn't false, and calls anyone a fool that calls it false especially if they haven't studied it. *Cough* 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 As per the Muslim view of the Bible they the Torah and Injeel (Old and New Testament) were corrupted. However Muhammad confirmed them as true when he was alive. So they say they were corrupted after that, but everything you need to vindicate the Bible as is and correct can be found in Manuscripts and writings that predate Muhammad. Ergo he confirmed the Bible as is. The two biggest places they're incorrect is in God being Manifest, and Christ being crucified. It's inconsequential because their Deen leads many of them to live as Sheep who receive salvation according to Christ. 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 3 hours ago, PAL_07 said: the rapists in Vatican are no different to the Brahmins of India Indeed. Both the Old and New testament warn that the fake abrahamics serve Satan brother.
PAL_07 Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 Guys you’ve gone off topic Christianity Talks About Hindu Gods. These Truths Have Been Hidden By The Church. The Trinity In Christianity Is Wrong. Jesus Christ Was Not God. What The Person With White Hat Says Is Written In Japji Sahib (Sikhism) That The Hindu Demi Gods Receive Instruction From The One Supreme God. However These Hindu Gods Are Called Angels In Abrahamical Religions And That They Are Inferior To God. Christ Was Inferior To These Hindu Gods And Is Not The Only Son of God or Part of The Christian Trinity. I Stumbled Upon This Video This is a Great Find especially in comparative religion study because you see it’s all Sikhism stuff but the Vatican etc deleted this stuff. You need to remember Orthodoxy Christianity was the first pure samparda of Christianity
PAL_07 Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 6 hours ago, Dharam Singh said: So you're saying Sikhi doesn't show God to be timeless and formless and away, unseen and yet infused into creation closer than close, and also manifest here? Where did I say that please citation plz remember Sargun nirgun nirankar sukhmani sahib 1
PAL_07 Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 5 hours ago, Dharam Singh said: As per the Muslim view of the Bible they the Torah and Injeel (Old and New Testament) were corrupted. However Muhammad confirmed them as true when he was alive. So they say they were corrupted after that, but everything you need to vindicate the Bible as is and correct can be found in Manuscripts and writings that predate Muhammad. Ergo he confirmed the Bible as is. The two biggest places they're incorrect is in God being Manifest, and Christ being crucified. It's inconsequential because their Deen leads many of them to live as Sheep who receive salvation according to Christ. Agree with this and Bani they are not false it’s written in Bani 1
PAL_07 Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 5 hours ago, Dharam Singh said: Indeed. Both the Old and New testament warn that the fake abrahamics serve Satan brother. Sorry I’m new to this who are the fake abrahamics 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 14 hours ago, PAL_07 said: Guys you’ve gone off topic Christianity Talks About Hindu Gods. These Truths Have Been Hidden By The Church. The Trinity In Christianity Is Wrong. Jesus Christ Was Not God. What The Person With White Hat Says Is Written In Japji Sahib (Sikhism) That The Hindu Demi Gods Receive Instruction From The One Supreme God. However These Hindu Gods Are Called Angels In Abrahamical Religions And That They Are Inferior To God. Christ Was Inferior To These Hindu Gods And Is Not The Only Son of God or Part of The Christian Trinity. I Stumbled Upon This Video This is a Great Find especially in comparative religion study because you see it’s all Sikhism stuff but the Vatican etc deleted this stuff. You need to remember Orthodoxy Christianity was the first pure samparda of Christianity For that to be true the Bible would be false the entire time. Isaiah 48:16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now YHWH and His Ruach Have sent Me" Isaiah 48:17 "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am YHWH your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go" The Sent one, AKA Christ is YHWH brother the entire time. John 5:37 "And the Father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face" Indicating the only YHWH we interact with the entire history of the Bible is in fact Christ pre and post incarnation. Colossians 1:15-17 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the Prototokos (before first) over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. You're saying Akal Purakh is lower then devi devte. 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 14 hours ago, PAL_07 said: Where did I say that please citation plz remember Sargun nirgun nirankar sukhmani sahib When you said the triune, or beyond, nature of God is false. 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 14 hours ago, PAL_07 said: Agree with this and Bani they are not false it’s written in Bani Then you're doing Ninda of Vaheguru. 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 15 hours ago, PAL_07 said: Sorry I’m new to this who are the fake abrahamics Anyone claiming to a Jew or Christian who isn't. An intentional methodology of Satan. Forewarned in the Library known as the Bible. Revelation 3:9 King James Version 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie... Matthew 13 The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares 24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ” The Parable of the Tares Explained 36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.” 37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Really all of Matthew 13 but this is sufficient. 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 14 hours ago, PAL_07 said: Sorry I’m new to this who are the fake abrahamics Brother if you don't know the Bible thoroughly I'd suggest you not speak on it based on a youtube video. ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬਕਹਹੁਮਤਝੂਠੇਝੂਠਾਜੋਨਬਿਚਾਰੈ॥ bedh kateb kahahu mat jhootte jhoottaa jo na bichaarai || Do not say that the Vedas, and the Bible are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Raag Prabhaatee - 1350 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 When I first became a Sikh I allowed the casual sayings of Sikhs to reduce my esteem for Christ as I was accepting Sikhi entirely as truth, and still do. The only difference came after reading what Gurbani says thoroughly and inquiring for several years, and engaging in debates about the Divinity of the Guru Saibhan. Familiarity with Gurbani actually set me more firmly with the multipersonal nature of Vaheguru Akal Purakh as a Sikh than when I served the Altar in the Catholic Church. Sikhi edifies this more soundly than the Bible alone. Many of these Bible verses I became familiar with after thousands of hours of debates I listened to, and participated in, between Christians and Muslims. Which the Muslims, whom I love always lose. And as my understanding grew it became that between Sikhi and Christianity now, the Christians always lose. i have seen Gurbani in conjunction with the Bible defeat every top Christian Apologist on the earth of any prominence. I have defeated all of them personally. Sam Shamoun, Avery of God Logic, Dl Etat, Malachi, Boss and Jess of the 300 CIC, Matt Slick, Danny Davis, Snow, Faithful to God, Christian Table Talk, Chris from One Way Apologetics, every camp in the BHI movement, and every prominent so called Rabbi, which isn't even hard, I in fact never met a Rabbi worth a damn. The bar for them is extremely low. The only Abrahamics that read the Bible accurately are Quakers. Vaheguru Ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji ki Fateh. I enjoy showing all Chrisitan Apologists they're Anathema because they hate Sikhi and given the Truth they reject it and act as Goats. I take no Joy in defeating Muslims except when they attack Sikhi, albeit far less, as they were not given the Truth and act as Sheep. On the topic of Sheep nobody is more Sheeplike than real Sikhs, even some confused ones. Matthew 25:31-46 King James Version 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into punishment for Ainion (a Yugh or Mahayugh): but the righteous into life eternal. 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 The only way in which the trinity is perhaps false Veer Ji is there is actually four or more distinct ways God in the Bible interact with us and themself. (Depending on if the Paracletos is YHWH) What isn't in question is the multipersonal nature of God containing at least 3 if not more forms of the 1. John 14:15-16 New King James Version Jesus Promises Another Helper 15 “If you love Me, [a]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paracletos (comforter), that He may abide with you forever— John 14:26 New King James Version 26 But the Paracletos, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 16:13 New King James Version 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 @PAL_07 Not surprised if Christ speaks of Japji Sahib, considering in that Form of a Servent he promised to have the From of the Spirit of Truth sent for eternity evermore to be the Comforter of mankind, but where in the Bible brother does he say this? 1
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 Most imprtant Verses for debating Christian cultists are Isaiah 48:16-17. Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 13, and Matthew 7:21-23. This covers who Christ is, being YHWH, who salvation is for, and that claiming to have faith in Christ isn't salvational, and why so many Christians are evil. This is all that is needed to show only Quakers, who are universalists like us, can read the Bible accurately. When flushed out with the above verses it's clear we are the people of the Spirit of Truth. 111 percent of the arguments used to validate Christianity validate Sikhi. From prophecy, to behavior, to historical cirterian. Everything we do from Kesh keeping, to Kirpan to reincarnation can be shown in the Bible. Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness. Shows claiming to be Christian doesn't save and that stated faith is not a criteria especially when combined with Matthew 25 where everyone is judged according to their Love and beatitudunal beingness. Ad we know there's a difference between Heaven and Home, Home would require what Sikhi asks of us.
PAL_07 Posted November 11 Author Report Posted November 11 There’s Many Passages In Gurbani That Talk About When There Was Only Nirgun God and No Creation No Satguru Jabh Akaar Eh Kisha Na Dristeh, Sukhmani AAd Sach Mool Mantra
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 11 minutes ago, PAL_07 said: There’s Many Passages In Gurbani That Talk About When There Was Only Nirgun God and No Creation No Satguru Jabh Akaar Eh Kisha Na Dristeh, Sukhmani AAd Sach Mool Mantra Relevent how? And once time exists and God plays then what? That was a painfully vague and brief answer to the above. Now that creation exists God is embodied.
Dharam Singh Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 If you have the Timeless God, God in time, and the spirit that unites them, this only functions in time yes. All you've demonstrated is your bias against Christ is such that you'll pick YouTube over Gurbani. If the Bible isn't false what does it say? You basically wanna say "Yeah I agree with Gurbani when it says the Bible isn't false it's just all false" Seeing as you only ever existed in time, you revere Satigur as God at all times? Also please where does the Bible speak about Japji?
PAL_07 Posted November 12 Author Report Posted November 12 In Sargun God is the in the 4th state and the world in 3 states. Baba Nand Singh was no different he did bhagti and jot was merged and liv lagi. Jesus was same got enlightened and Haumai merges with God. Although you see a physical body of baba nand singh or Jesus it is god operating. But the physical body person should not say in ego that he is God they only then act in Gods hukam
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