Harjinder Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 "No other race is as brave as the Sikhs are..." By Macauliffe (Dy. Commissioner) From Sikh religion, history and character, I am overwhelmingly influenced to resign from my high job, so as to make a deeper research. No other race is as brave as the Sikhs are. No other religion is as Humane, on Principles, as the Sikh religion is. Sikh sense of living is the purest of all. Gurbani is a source of Comforting Peace and unity of all. Unlike the scriptures of other creeds, Sikh scriptures do not contain love stories or accounts of wars waged for selfish considerations. They contain sublime truths, the study of which cannot but Elevate the Reader spiritually, morally, and socially. There are least things of sectarianism in them. They teach and inspire the believer with an ambition to Serve his fellow men, to sacrifice all and die for their sake. Macauliff further observes: Many of the great teachers of the world have known, have not left a line of their own composition, and we only knew what they taught through tradition or second hand information. If Pythagorean wrote any of tenets, his writings have not descended to us. We knew the teachings of Socrates only through the writings of Plato and Xenophone. Buddha has left no written memorials of his teaching. Kung fu-tze, known to Europeans as Confucius, left no documents in which he detailed the principles of his moral and social system. The Founder of Christianity did not reduce his doctrines to writing, and from them we are obliged to trust the gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The Arabian Prophet did not himself reduce to writing the chapters of the Quran. They were written or completed by his adherents and followers. But the compositions of the Sikh Gurus are preserved and we know first hand what they taught. They employed the vehicle of verse, which is generally unalterable by copyist, and we even become in time, familiar with their different styles. No spurious compositions or extraneous dogmas, can therefore be represented as theirs. Based on the Unity of God, it rejected Hindu formulations and adopted an independent -ethical system. It would be difficult to point to a religion of Greater Originality or to a more comprehensive ethical system. Harjinder Singh Kukreja 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Javanmard Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 macauliffe wrote Sikh scriptures do not contain love stories completely false and ridiculous. From out of your tomb could you please tell me what the Charitropakhyan is then? I do understand that as the anti-Catholic Irish Protestant that you were the idea of erotic stories being part of Guru Gobind SIngh's writings might have shocked you. Instead of reading Dasam Guru Granth Sahib with an open mind you tranfered your Puritan Victorian hatred ofthe erotic on our SIkh religion. we SIkhs love the God like a young bride in love with her Beloved: is that not erotic?!?!?! :evil: isn't that the most beautiful love story??!!??!?! farewell mister macauliffe rest in peace.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ideal Singh Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 macauliffe wrote completely false and ridiculous. From out of your tomb could you please tell me what the Charitropakhyan is then? I do understand that as the anti-Catholic Irish Protestant that you were the idea of erotic stories being part of Guru Gobind SIngh's writings might have shocked you. Instead of reading Dasam Guru Granth Sahib with an open mind you tranfered your Puritan Victorian hatred ofthe erotic on our SIkh religion. we SIkhs love the God like a young bride in love with her Beloved: is that not erotic?!?!?! :evil: isn't that the most beautiful love story??!!??!?! farewell mister macauliffe rest in peace.... :!: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BikramjitSingh Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Instead of reading Dasam Guru Granth Sahib with an open mind you tranfered your Puritan Victorian hatred ofthe erotic on our SIkh religion. we SIkhs love the God like a young bride in love with her Beloved: is that not erotic?!?!?! :evil: isn't that the most beautiful love story??!!??!?! farewell mister macauliffe rest in peace.... As far as I am aware M A MacAuliffe did not translate nor consider the chirito parkhyan as Gurbani. He is referring to the Guru Granth Sahib. Maybe you think him an interfaring gora who shouldn't be commenting on Gurbani. I could say the same about you. Do you find the Shabad's that compares the love for Waheguru with the love of a young bride for her husband erotic ?. Someone here is extremely fixated on eroticism. At least MacAuliffe was advised by the greatest scholars of Sikhism at that time. He made sure that his translations were widely circulated amongst the Sikh scholars and he made sure that all their views were taken into account before his book was published. And you a Hippy Gora goes to India and after being given some duff information about Sikhism by some Udasis and Nirmalas starts to prattle on about this sampardhya and that sampardhya. You also had the nerve to post on Sikhe.com that the Akalis who took back the Gurdwaras from the Mahants were acting 'illegally'. I posted this before but you chose to run off to the Moderators rather than answer this question. Similarly rather than counter what I wrote here earlier you chose to also run to the moderators. So are you the same 'Bahadur Singh Nirmala' who wrote the gibberish trying to portray the actions of the hundreds of GurSikhs who gave their lives to free our Gurdwaras as 'illegal' ?. GurSikhs who were shot, burnt to death, run over by railway engines and beaten to death, they did all this while simply doing Simran of Waheguru. How could a joker like you know what great sacrifices these GurSikhs made and you chose to call their actions 'illegal' I have more respect for MacAuliffe as he actually bothered to read the works he wrote about. Something that cannot be said about you. You accuse MacAuliffe of transferring his puritan victorian values onto Sikhi. but I suppose we could say the same for you but only that you are transferring your erotic fixations on to Sikhi. It's amazing how someone not even born into Sikhi can think that he can so easily criticise some of the greatest scholars and writers of Sikhism. Didn't you display your lack of knowledge on the works of Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha a few weeks. Instead of telling falsehoods about Bhai Kahan Singh's works why don't you be constructive and comment on what he has written rather than what you 'think' he has written. To the Moderators Could these comments be allowed to stand since Lallesvari has attacked the personality of both M A MacAuliffe and Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha, I think that he deserves to be treated in a similar fashion. If any of what I have written above is found to be untrue then I will amend it. Gurfateh Bikramjit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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