Mugermach Singh Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Understand this for you to save someone drowning in a mud, you yourself cannot be afraid of getting dirty real nice. im gonna nick that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihal_Kaur Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 its like, the biggest lie or illusion if you like is maya, this life we live, peeps getting hung up on lying but i'm wondering if they've ever been to india, women with wits sharper than knives over there. Lying is also an artform.....I still go red 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 does anyone know bout the 9 raas Guru ji talks bout?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 does anyone know bout the 9 raas Guru ji talks bout?? isn't that the 9 doors from which we experience the world?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 nah, not the 9 nidds, but 9 raas, in comes dasam bani somewhere bir raas and shant raas are 2 of the nine want to knwo the other seven, something nihal said, bout art form. rang a bell. just wondering 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadz Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 muggers, the 9 ras are... shingaar (erotic) karun (compassion) bir (bravery) shaant (peace) bhibast (disgust) adbhut (strange) raudra (fury) hasya (humour) bhyanak (fear) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BikramjitSingh Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Well obviously they are not wrong. What the Panj Payrays meant is that don't lie for the sake of lying. Don't justify your actions by lying. Don't lie in a Habit. Don't Lie to Hurt others. Don't lie to gain appraise. Even Murder can be Justified if its done in a defense. What good are your hands if you cannot defend you own life. A lie can be justified if its done for the right reasons. That lie which is protecting something far more important. Didn't the Singhs Lie to protect our Guru Gobind Singh when he was sorounded by the Mogul Armies in the city Machi Wara (im sure that was the city, if not please correct me) they carried him on their shoulders and when the Mogul's stopped them and asked who Guru Gobind singh ji was they told them that he was Uch tha Peer. Im sure thas how the story went, but if im wrong please correct me. They did not stop and draw their sword to fight, they used their Demaag. Understand this for you to save someone drowning in a mud, you yourself cannot be afraid of getting dirty. Wow the Panj Pyare were wrong not to qualify the injunction not to lie by saying that it's o.k. to lie if you think that by lying you're doing a good thing. :shock: As far as I am aware Guru Gobind Singh was carried as 'Uch Da Peer' by Ghani and Nabi Khan and not by the Singhs. If any lying was done on that occasion it would have been by either Ghani and Nabi Khan. But what is important is not to seek justification in these events. Look into the Guru Granth Sahib and if it says that it is alright for a Sikh to lie based on certain circumstances then I will stand corrected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 thanks nadz, any idea which part this was written in, cos i think there are stories that go with it, rather read it myself rather then get other people to do the work, but if you could give me point in the right direction, that would be cool. thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Wow the Panj Pyare were wrong not to qualify the injunction not to lie by saying that it's o.k. to lie if you think that by lying you're doing a good thing. :shock: As far as I am aware Guru Gobind Singh was carried as 'Uch Da Peer' by Ghani and Nabi Khan and not by the Singhs. If any lying was done on that occasion it would have been by either Ghani and Nabi Khan. But what is important is not to seek justification in these events. Look into the Guru Granth Sahib and if it says that it is alright for a Sikh to lie based on certain circumstances then I will stand corrected. You are telling me just because their names were Khan and not Singhs, they were not the Sikhs of our guru??? Obviously they risked their lives as would have any Sikh for the GURU. There isn't a difference between a Singh and a Sikh. They had to walk thru the Mud to carry our Guru across, they themselves were not afraid to get dirty. When walking thru the mud they got dirty, but they did not drown in that mud. There isn't a Quote in the SGGS about lying under certain Circumstances as far as i know. NOw tell me this if the Mogul Armies had asked the 2 Khan's or Sikhs (however you wish to know them as) who they were carrying on their shoulders. In your views what should have they said?? That he is that Guru that the 1000's of you are looking for?? Should they should have Sacrifsed the Truth??? should they have fought against those Armies? Would that have been a Wise decision? Lying is like placing a coat of Salt over suger to protect what is within that coat. I am not saying what i have said is final nor do i say that it OK to lie. I simply presented MY views on this issue from what I have undestood. What i have said can be very dangerous to those who do not understand what i am trying to say. So If you don't understand what i have said, then ignore it...because i cant explain it any better than i have. So don't take my word for it, if you want to know about lying under certain circumstances as a Sant or a Giani ro someone who can explain it in better terms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Lying is like placing a coat of Salt over suger to protect what is within that coat. gonna nick this too. :shock: nutters the lot of you... :shock: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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