Humblesikh Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 What are some of the examples of Akankar? I am the best rocket scientist? how can we avoid speech which may lead others to think you have an ego? any comments? regards, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 we all have ego 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 we all have ego I Donttttttttttttttt ...is that egoo too??? Yes we all have ego... Between us and vaheguroo... there is only one parda(curtain)... that is parda of ego... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humblesikh Posted October 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Ok .. Given we all have an EGO .. lets move on ... how does one tackle the vice of Ahankar? Is judging others Ahankar? Is being stubborn Ahankar? regards, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 id say there is a fine line between pride and ego sometimes even nimrata of someone can seem like its ego to others - i dunno its a complex kind of thing for example if someone wears a full bana and shasters and everything, comes to the gurdwara and they MIGHT feel a sense of superiority over the sangat who are just in normal jeans and t shirt... they will definitly see this so it will be in their mind soemone may be as humble as anything but others may look at him and think "hes got ego" because he doesnt talk much and spends his time in naam simran... its pretty confusin if u think about it... :? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hari Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Ok .. Given we all have an EGO .. lets move on ... how does one tackle the vice of Ahankar? Is judging others Ahankar? Is being stubborn Ahankar? regards, Start off by observing your self.What you do and say, why you did and said what you did and said. Start analysing your self. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 All outward ablutions bring no transformation. At most you may gain a little respect in the eyes of others. But this reverence can be dangerous because your ego will try to make a mountain out of it; it won't stop recounting how many pilgrimages you undertook, how many fasts you have observed. Bodhidharma went to China from India. The Emperor of China came to him. This king had become a Buddhist and then had constructed thousands of monasteries, ashrams and temples. He had printed and distributed thousands of treatises on Buddhism. He fed millions of beggars every day. All this he recounted to Bodhidharma. He also told him how many images of Buddha he had had made. In fact there still remains a temple constructed by him which bears ten thousand statues of Buddha. He had whole mountains dug up for this purpose. His charity was immense, and all this he made a point of telling Bodhidharma. Bodhidharma listened completely unmoved. The king could wait no longer. "What will be the fruit of all these good deeds?" he asked. Bodhidharma replied, "Nothing. You will rot in hell." The king was dumbfounded. "What is this you say? I in hell?" "The deeds in themselves are not the problem. They are indeed good deeds, but your feeling of having done them is the difficulty. The good deeds have happened; leave them at that. Don't take upon yourself the doership of them. If you presume that you have done them, all virtue in your actions turns to dust; the medicine will turn to poison. As it is, medicines are made from poisons." In the days when rupees, annas and pies were still in use Mulla Nasruddin went to the doctor because his wife suffered from insomnia. "Help me please, doctor," said the Mulla. "She keeps bickering all night long, as if it wasn't enough all day." "Take this powder," said the doctor, "and each evening give her as much as would cover a four-anna bit." After about a week the doctor came upon Nasruddin on the road. "Say, how's the wife?" he inquired. "Your medicine worked wonders, doctor. She is still fast asleep!" The doctor was worried. "How much of the powder did you give her?" he asked. "Well," said the Mulla, "I did not have a four-anna bit so I took four one-anna coins, covered them with the powder and gave it to her -- so much peace in the house! What wonderful medicine." Medicine can become poison if you aren't careful about the quantity. Virtue can also become poison beyond a certain proportion. Remember, as long as virtue remains simply an action it is all right. When the doer is involved the proportion can become dangerous. If good deeds are performed to counteract one's evil deeds it is all right. But if good deeds are performed with the idea of earning or accumulating virtue, it is dangerous. You may gain some respect, but that is all. Don't take this to be religion. I was once traveling with Nasruddin on a bus. Suddenly Mulla got up in the moving bus and cried out, "Brothers, has anyone lost a bundle of notes tied in a string?" Many people claimed the bundle was theirs; they vied with each other to reach Mulla. "Peace, Peace!" exclaimed Mulla, "So far, I have only found the string." Religion is like the bundle of notes; good deeds are like the string. Don't pride yourself on them. The string in itself has no value, only when tied around the rupee notes does it assume value. What worth has a string that is tied around a stone? When good deeds unite with a selfless attitude they become the boat that takes you to the other shore. When good deeds are tied to the ego, they become like a rock on your chest that invariably drowns you. So there are people who are drowned in their evil deeds, and people who drown in their good deeds. This is why it often happened that a sinner arrived while the virtuous man lagged behind. An evildoer more easily becomes egoless because he knows he is a sinner; he knows it is well nigh impossible for him to reach God. He is convinced he has no good qualities and is only a storehouse of evil. He doesn't even dare to think that his voice could ever reach Him. In the absence of ego, even the sinner can reach; but when ego is present even the virtuous person drowns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Whoever considers himself to be something invariably misses Him, because there can be only one: either you or He. In one scabbard there is room for only one sword, not two. There is a very well-known poem by the Sufi poet Rumi: The lover went and knocked at the door of the beloved. A voice asked "Who is it?" He said, "Open the door. It is I." There was no answer, all was silent within. The lover knocked again. He called out again and again, "Open the door. It is I, your lover," but there was no response. Finally a voice came from within, "Two cannot be contained in this house. This is the house of love, it cannot accommodate two." Then again there was silence. The lover turned back. He wandered for years in the jungles. He undertook many fasts and practices; he performed many rites and holy works. He purified himself and thus cleansed his mind. He became more aware; he began to understand the conditions. After many, many years he returned once again and knocked at the door. The same question came from within, "Who is it?" But this time the answer that came from outside was, "You alone are." And, Rumi says, the door was opened. If you go to the gates of God as somebody -- then even if you appear as a sannyasin, a renunciate, a wise man, whatever, you will fail. The gate opens only for those who are nothing, nobody, who have annihilated their selves totally. In ordinary life also, love opens its doors only when you are not, when you are completely merged in the other and the voice of I has stopped. Then when this I becomes less important than you, and when you becomes your whole life, then you are capable of destroying yourself for the beloved; you willingly and happily enter into death. Then only does love blossom. In everyday life we thus get a glimpse of the one when two are no more. When the ultimate love arises, there should remain no sign of you; your name, your designation, your very self should turn to dust. Only when you annihilate yourself completely can this happen. Remember the words of Jesus: He who saves himself will be lost; he who loses himself will be saved. In His kingdom he who destroys himself attains everything and he who saves himself loses everything. Nanak says he who considers himself to be something is unworthy before Him. The truth is, he never even reaches Him. Proud eyes are blind eyes. He who has even a single thought of being someone, his personality is deaf, inert; he is already dead. He cannot appear before God. God stands ever before you but as long as you are, you cannot see Him. You are the obstruction, the obstacle. When this hindrance drops, your eyes become pure and open, devoid of I-ness. You are as if you are nothing, a mere emptiness. And in such emptiness He enters at once. Kabir has said the guest arrives in the house of one who is empty. No sooner do you become empty than the guest arrives. You miss Him as long as you are filled with your own self. The day you empty yourself He fills you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Pheena was that Osho stuff?! Either way, he's cool houmai guramukh khoeeai naam rathae sukh hoe ||1|| The Gurmukhs shed their ego; attuned to the Naam, they find peace. ||1|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Pheena was that Osho stuff?! Either way, he's cool houmai guramukh khoeeai naam rathae sukh hoe ||1|| The Gurmukhs shed their ego; attuned to the Naam, they find peace. ||1|| yea sis, haha u got good memory...im reading the book True Name in english, If you need it let me know.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inderjit Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 sorry.. is this osho as in osho tosh????? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 sorry.. is this osho as in osho tosh????? have no idea who osho tosh is. His other name is Rajneesh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khandaydhaar Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 I Donttttttttttttttt ...is that egoo too??? Yes we all have ego... Between us and vaheguroo... there is only one parda(curtain)... that is parda of ego... darn rite we all got ego...i got plenty...nebody wana share...na jkz ... 8) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihal_Kaur Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 the most humbling experiences occur for me when Gurbani is read and when Akal Ustat is read (or bachittar natak). To come up against that amount of greatness and then the greatness is writing as humbleness, amazing. 8) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 forget osho, read those original sources; Mulla Nasruddin, Mevalana Rumi, Bodhidharma all had wicked senses of humour as well (a sure EGO killer). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 I am such a paapi. Can anyone please save me :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: My ego is big :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Bikramjit wrote: lallesvari How easy it is to go from one reeking of ego to being one ever so humble. Your 'humble' post is in marked constrast to your previous post describing anyone who does not honour your scholarship and has to audacity to challenge your views as leading boring lives sitting behind a PC. Describing anyone who doesn't share your views as pseudo scholars. Maybe you're undergone a experience similar to the one on the road to Damascus. I doubt that. Give it time and the old and familiar Lallesvari with all his arrogance and ego will return. And then I read this by Lallesvari lalleshvari wrote: I thought the BJP was ruling India at the moment? all that with the collaboration of tha Akali Dal BJP, Akali Dal, SGPC, RSS, AKJ,Shiv Sena, Congress, VHP etc: all a bing bunge of bloody bitches Ah.. see we have our old Lallesvari back. Humble Lallesvari didn't even last a few days !. Please help me :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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