Mr §ingh Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Agree with Bhenj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihal_Kaur Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 It doesnt seem like it manfromasylum... :? ....I'm a bit dissapointed, why doesn't anyone know about documented evidence of women taking amrit in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's times?? :shock: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Doesn't matter where it is given, what is the history behind it? Can it be authenticated by relevant sources?! If not, then how can we establish it's validity!? I don't see any reliable references here from people that advocate it, so I wouldn't believe in it blindly. 'Sri Hazoori Maryada Prabodh' is the book, who tells that the 'Kirpan Da Amrit' should be prepared for women. I am not advocating 'Kirpan Da Amrit'. I did not say that we should distribute 'Kirpan Da Amrit' to women. I told how it is prepared in Sri Hazoor Sahib. -Amrit Pal Singh 'Amrit' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 I know AmritJi, I am asking Lalleshwari, because he is advocating it, thanks for your information though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 until laalesh or anyone else who can provide historical evidence of kirpan da amrit... and not just "its available at hazoor sahib"... then this matter is not to be talked about again on this board - from its description it seems very sexist, only a single pyara recites the banis? and what a woman isnt good enough to drink from the same bata as a man?? how can this amrit be valid?.. when we have the likes of laalesh sayin without dasam granth present at amrit sanchar - ur amrit is invalid..... well what about if a man takes this so called kirpan da amrit.... only has 5 pauriya recited and doesnt have to wear a kachera..... or a dastar... is this amrit valid??? im pretty sick of people mentioning things and then havin nothing to back up their claims and then runnin around in circles - if theres no DECENT evidence of these claims then you will recieve a warning for the intension to mislead members of the board 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Iron Bangle! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gupt Singh Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 this thread epitamises www.sikhawareness.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 who really cares about ur opinion of the site? :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gupt Singh Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 ur just raw that ur a mod on www.RSS.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 is calling someone RSSt a natural defence mechanism for narrow minded people like urselfs nowadays?.... :roll: if it makes u feel more secure then call me what u want 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 I have banned KS for insulting the moderator's , sikhawareness site and slandering lalleshvari..he already was given a warning .. .. .Please proceed this thread as it was... dont mind ks now.. he is gone now for good :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 until laalesh or anyone else who can provide historical evidence of kirpan da amrit... and not just "its available at hazoor sahib"... then this matter is not to be talked about again on this board - from its description it seems very sexist, only a single pyara recites the banis? and what a woman isnt good enough to drink from the same bata as a man?? Did you provide the historical evidence of 'Khande Da Amrit' to women? If not, why should this matter be discussed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihal_Kaur Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 amrit pal singh your input was valued with regards to this issue, please do not feel that anyone was undermining you. 8) I was very interested to know that one of our takhts still distributes kirpan dha amrit. :roll: Thankyou! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 :!: Stick to topic :!: I think i was bit of harsh in closing this topic. Please proceed with the topic and don't bring any personal comments. themanfromtheasylum feel free to discuss as i think I got the idea why you brought this question. If you want to discuss "Kirpan Da Amrit" then proceed to http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1436 thread and post your input over there. This topic should remain with question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanfromtheasylum Posted December 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 so theres a different ceremony for women, like some1 mentioned earlia in the thread, interesting ! doesnt ansa my original question, but its something to look into. the reason i asked this question is because, having researched the topic extensively, there is no reliable evidence that amrit was given to women at the time of the initiation by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. if any one would care to disagree, and offer evidence id b more than willing to listen. NiM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr §ingh Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 No there isn'r...especially until referance is provided! until that Khanda de Paul is "parchalat" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 If you wish debate over kirpan da amrit. Please take it to: http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1436 This issue was already discussed with no solutions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanfromtheasylum Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 whats parchalat .. ?!?!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SunnySingh Posted August 25, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 11/26/2003 at 12:30 PM, themanfromtheasylum said: il elaborate, as far as i know, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, did not baptize any women, Though this is quite an old thread, yet I have just come across it and found some interesting points in it. First of all, Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj, is Waheguru Himself. Secondly, all creatures, whether males or females, are just coverings on the spiritual beings called jeev atmas or souls, which are essentially all drops of the One and only Truth: Satnam. Do you really think, Guru Jee will not initiate/baptize someone just because of their gender? He is an Infinite Ocean of Mercy, how can anyone think or believe, that just because if some soul is born as woman, has not the same rights as me to saved? It is just ridiculous. It is not being born as a man or woman, which counts in His eyes, for He sees all as a projection of His Jot. Guru Gobind Singh, and all Guru Sahiban, just as all Bhagat Jan, come into this creation, with the Water/Amrit of Truth, of Nam, anybody who practices it, gets ferried across. What does baptism really mean? Is it not, that one accepts Waheguru as the Highest and eternal Truth, and promises to do all the needful with purity, love and devotion, in order to manifest Him within and merge in Him? Then? How is that a woman, for just being born as a woman, has no right to get her soul saved? Does it not sound ridiculous? Sikhee, is path which leads to Him, irrespective of who walks on it, whether a woman or a man, for in reality it is none of them, for the bodies of both are left here as ashes, it is the ray soul of Waheguru, which treads that path of Love and merge into that Infinite Ocean of love and mercy. Please let us first understand well what Guru Sahiban are in reality, and what is their message from Akal Purukh for us as souls, before making any baseless statements/questions. Following are some Satbachans of Guru Sahiban, which in simple and clear words describe what are their teachings in summary for all times and all beings: jay vad bhaag hoveh vadbhaagee taa har har naam Dhi-aavai. If someone is very fortunate, and is blessed with great high destiny, then he meditates on the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. naam japat naamay sukh paavai har naamay naam samaavai. ||1|| Chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord, he finds peace, and merges in the Naam Guru Sahiban, do not come to create divisions nor drown us with nonsense/ignorance. They only come with the lamp of His Name/Nam, so that walking with this Light, we may cross the creation of untruth and reach the abode of the eternal truth of Satnam. That is why, Guru Sahiban in the second verse tells us, if we repeat/chant His Name, one literally merges in Nam, and beileve it, these words are not of any gyani bahman, or pandit.... but rather the very manifestation of Waheguru, Guru Sahiban. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted August 26, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 hours ago, SunnySingh said: Though this is quite an old thread, yet I have just come across it and found something interesting points in it. First of all, Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj, is Waheguru Himself. Secondly, all creatures, whether males or females, are just coverings on the spiritual beings called jeev atmas or souls, which are essentially all drops of the One and only Truth: Satnam. Do you really think, Guru Jee will not initiate/baptize someone just because of their gender? He is an Infinite Ocean of Mercy, how can anyone think or believe, that just because if some soul is born as woman, has no not the same rights as me to saved? It is just ridiculous. It is not being born as a man or woman, which counts in His eyes, for He sees all as a projection of His Jot. Guru Gobind Singh, and all Guru Sahiban, just as all Bhagat Jan, come into this creation, with the Water/Amrit of Truth, of Nam, anybody who practices it, gets ferried across. What does baptism really mean? Is it not, that one accepts Waheguru as the Highest and eternal Truth, and promises to do all the needful with purity, love and devotion, in order to manifest Him within and merge in Him? Then? How is that a woman for the case of just being born as a woman, has no right to get her soul saved? Does it not sound ridiculous? Sikhee, is path which leads to Him, irrespective of who walks on it, whether a woman or a man, for in reality it is none of them, for the bodies of both are left here as ashes, it is the ray soul of Waheguru, which treads that path of Love and merge into that Infinite Ocean of love and mercy. Please let us first understand well what Guru Sahiban are in reality, and what is their message from Akal Purukh for us as souls, before making any baseless statements/questions. Following are some Satbachans of Guru Sahiban, which in simple and clear words describe what are their teachings in summary for all times and all beings: jay vad bhaag hoveh vadbhaagee taa har har naam Dhi-aavai. If someone is very fortunate, and is blessed with great high destiny, then he meditates on the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. naam japat naamay sukh paavai har naamay naam samaavai. ||1|| Chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord, he finds peace, and merges in the Naam Guru Sahiban, do not come to create divisions nor drown us with nonsense/ignorance. They only come with the lamp of His Name/Nam, so that walking with this Light, we may cross the creation of untruth and reach the abode of the eternal truth of Satnam. That is why, Guru Sahiban in the second verse tells us, if we repeat/chant His Name, one literally merges in Nam, and beileve it, these words are not of any gyani bahman, or pandit.... but rather the very manifestation of Waheguru, Guru Sahiban. Always love your content bro. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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