Guest BikramjitSingh Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Narsingha Only someone with your mentality could write the tripe you just did. You claim that I and my associates are pursuing a vendetta against you. Perhaps you will now refrain from challenging people who do not share your enthuasm for 'sanatan' Sikhi. I am also surpised that you now want to portray yourself as someone who welcomes a discussion about your beliefs. 1. You left the sikh-history forum after you could not defend you views and then deleted the entire thread thereby denying other forum users the chance to read views that are contary to your own. Especially since it now appears that you are a serial challenger. You have some inherent and psychological need to challenge others to come to your Akhara. You hiding behind a so-called Maryada and 'British Law' shows that in the end when push comes to shove you are found wanting in the courage department. 2. On one of the other threads you stated that all discussion will be via email. You also stated that this email will be passed onto some other persons who will answer the email. Strange that you, the person who has set up these Nihang websites cannot discuss the content in public through this forum. Surely someone who has invested money and time would have the ability to counter anything on that website. 3. You are the first person to start name calling, you display a contempt for all mainstream Sikhs by referring to their beliefs as 'british Sikhism'., you refer to those who have faith in Sikhi as being spoon fed etc. I could be a 15 year old child going around on the internet issuing challenges left right and centre just to wind people up and claiming the websites to be my work..... many a true word said in jest. Keep living in your make believe world. The make believe world where myself, Inderjit Singh, Sukhbir Singh all come to your Akhara and you have broken our bones and won a pat on the back from Niddar Singh and a whole lot of 'wah' 'wah' from the other Nihangs. GurFateh Bikramjit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 We are closing this arguement so please move to another all in one thread where you all are welcome to have intelligent discussion without any sarcasm, jokes and slandering. Thanks! Here is a new thread... http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1480 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUKHBIR Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh, Entertaining though this is the challenges where requested to take place within the Akhara. Sadly people seem to assume that a challenge is always physical. I guess this is tha macho nature of people such as Bikramjit who think their manhood is under threat each time things do not go his way. Challenges are issued to better the Panth (eg. Hadh Torh challenge), not for personal gain (as Mr Bikramjit is doing). Mr "God-complex" Bikramjit, as one enters the Akhara they abide by the rules of the Akhara and the tradition of the Khalsa. It is not my fault that you find it frightening to be surrounded by Nihang Singhs when you enter the Akhara and feel insecure. The reason for requesting any challenge to be within the Akhara is because this is the traditional arena where Sikh/Khalsa disputes are settled. I suggest you guys start to aquaint yourselves with Khalsa traditions and see the distinctions between the motive for challenges and the TYPES of challenges, and start to learn not to make things personal. Fighting in some "private place" to settle matters physically such as Bikramjit requested is technically a duel, has NO place in Maryada (as Bikramjit made this personal). Bikramjit is seeking to make this issue personal by sending me threats, rude private messages and starting this personal grudge match because he doesnt have the intellect to dispute what is on the websites (and is still trying his Southall Rude Boy tactics to get me to fight with him against Khalsa Maryada). Its clear Bikramjit has NO regard for the law (as lalleshvari has pointed out) and wants me to break the law. As for all of the above it would be incorrect to answer points which are specifically directed at another, suffice to say that I have always believed in matter's such as this that 'actions speak louder than words' and my understanding is that your chosen action has been to decline. Who is the real danger to Sikhi? The websites such as www.sarbloh.info and www.shastarvidiya.org? Or rude-boys such as Bikramjit who are willing to break the law at any given opportunity just because they dont agree with someone on the INTERNET of all places? I wonder what he does when he doesnt agree with someone off the internet? Maybe this explains his lack of friends and why he takes the internet so seriously..who knows... At least try and stick to the matter at hand...the websites (not the webmaster). It would be unfair of me to discuss another thread that I have not been closely involved with but as far as this thread is concerned the 'record' of the thread will show that it was non other than you that initiated the use of personal remarks out of desperation. As a quick example of your immature nature please see above remark "Maybe this explains his lack of friends..." a remark that would be in keeping with any junior high school playground. lets look at a couple of scenarios.... My name could be Mr Cuckoo Singh....or Mr Patel...Mr Pumpkin Man, etc....it doesnt change the fact that you guys have still not been able to dispute the websites on an intellectual level. The websites have been disputed on levels both within and outside of your intellectual capacity not wanting something to be the case is not enough, besides your penchant for denial is well known and noted. I I could be a 15 year old child going around on the internet issuing challenges left right and centre just to wind people up and claiming the websites to be my work....does it change the fact that you still cannot argue with the websites? Would you have instead picked a fight with the 15 year old and asked for a duel in some "private place" just because your wisdom lacks the capacity to digest what the websites represent? Yes, you very well could be, you know what they say 'many a true word spoken in jest' The websites and yourself have been 'rubbished' several times in the course of this thread, its there for posterity so take a look. After your last leave of absence you returned to question the posting of 'Mr Blues' article and again the discussion was characterised by your impotence. You made a few lack lustre attempts but upon realising your folly you resorted to personal attack followed by submission followed by denial, which wasn't surprising since, Its exactly what happened the last time you decided to 'bow out'. ...your frustration is more evident with each passing day dear friends...and you are just becoming the laughing stock of this discussion forum (and others) for making things so personal, lowering the level of discussion away from maryada (and inherently pushing me to do the same). The frustration evidently took its toll on you hastening you to make yet another retreat your now well known 'modus operandi' (BTW how can someone 'inherently' push you or is this the sanantan definition of the word Lowering the level of discussion? Like this you mean ".. Sukhbir, astonishing how you manage to string sentences together and they still lack anything of any value.. Grow up buddies...and besides, regardless of the 5-6 people against the websites (and one Bikramjit trying to make it a personal issue with the webmaster), these websites will grow, the knowledge will flood out at a greater rate..... 5 or 6 people, you are once more deluding yourself, like to have a poll? The Akharas are all growing and people are learning Savya Rakhsah....Shastar Vidiya, and many other forms of Vidiya that are Sanatan by nature. Sorry to break this to you, but it is your loss... I wouldn't count your chickens (or should that be goats) too soon, most that attend your various events are entirely ignorant of the contents of your site(s) and the 'message' you preach. Goodluck with your ventures (...i will try my best not to entertain you guys any further but this last post was to clear the matter from my end) How many times are you going to attempt to 'clear the matter' any amount of posting isn't going to clear the 'matter from your end' you have been comprehensively exposed and it's no wonder you keep drawing yourself back to the forum to try and vindicate yourself, like a moth to the flame. (never knew how serious some people take discussion forums...) Its not a question of discussion forums its a question of faith and yes some people do take that very seriously, any objections? If you were simply putting forward your own perverse notions it wouldn't be a issue. However you are trying to propagate your message to win hearts and minds so scrutiny of you and your site is entirely valid. I request that the moderators either lock this thread as it is clear it is just entertaining the personal vendettas of people such as Bikramjit and his associates. Should they wish to dispute what is on the websites, then another thread should be started that is more civilised and devoid of personal attacks. Your hardly in a position to lecture on personal attacks, I was going to post some quotes by yourself as examples but frankly their are enough within this very post to illustrate the point. On the question of locking this 'discussion' I would agree that this thread and the arguements of the s/vidiya exponents have been exhausted at this time. Gur Fateh Sukhbir Singh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Once again, you guys just lower the tone of your debate skills. No evidence, no proof to dispute the content of the websites...simply hollow opinions, insults and in Bikramjit's case, Southall rude boy antics put towards the webmaster. You do modern Sikhs proud dear fellows. I wonder how many Sikh youth will be proud to see "mature" Sikhs such as yourselves acting like such children on a WEBSITE of all places? ...you guys just proved my point (once again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BikramjitSingh Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 admin cut :) Man you're the funniest joker around Do you take bookings or do you just spread laughter on the 'net ? GurFateh Bikramjit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Can we stop this joke around session? There is new thread so why not share your mighty knowledge over there and show us the truth. This is for Sukhbir, Bikramjit singh, Narsingha and Lalleshwari....... please go to all in one thread which we have opened and refute each other's claims with references so we can see who hold the maximam truth. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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