SAadmin Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Lifes for Damdami Taksal Mahapursh's. Please right click on this below click and save target as: Its a pdf format mini book gives ya breif sketch about taksal lineage and their mahapursh. Enjoy http://www.gurmatveechar.com/literature/da..._mahanpurkh.pdf Also if you dont wish to download. You can view htm files of life sketch by click on each mahapursh picture: Here is the link for that: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/literature.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 i have the book at home but the only thing is that in the book they only have thirteen maha pursh then jathadar baba thakur singh ji. They have missed out Bhai mani singh ji who took over from baba deep singh ji and before baba gurbakhsh singh ji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalistani Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Vaheguuru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ke fateh!! one taksal is bhai mani singh taksal one is damdami taskal metha jatha bhindran bhai mani singh was the leader of his own taksal, also started by guru je bhai mani singh was never mukhi of damdami taksal metha jahta bhindran, although the 2 taksals are very very close and its 14 mahapurshes and baba je from baba deep singh je to sant jarnail singh je makes 14 bhula chuka maf Vaheguuru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ke fateh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Just a minor query Where exactly (texts, documents, records, etc) is this lineage of 'Dam Dami Taksal' actually documented? In other words, what is the historically credible source used by the 'Dam Dami Taksal' to verify their lineage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalistani Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Vaheguuru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ke fateh!! sant mahapurshes have said it in their katha many times if some people wish to call them liers, go ahead the leinage of jatherdars i quite clear go to damdamitaksal.com to see bhula chuka maf Vaheguuru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ke fateh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Vaheguuru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ke fateh!! sant mahapurshes have said it in their katha many times if some people wish to call them liers, go ahead the leinage of jatherdars i quite clear go to damdamitaksal.com to see bhula chuka maf Vaheguuru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ke fateh!! No one as yet has accused anyone of propagating lies. In addition, you must be aware that 'katha' also tends to be based on historical texts. I have never come across any text or historical document mentioned by any of the Kathakaars of 'Dam Dami Taksal' that speaks of their lineage. The lineage of Jathedars may be clear to people who wish to accept the words of individuals without questioning where these individuals got their information, but some people wish to dig deeper for the truth. Call it morbid curiousity for seeking the truth. Baba Sundar Singh and Baba Gurbachan Singh never spoke of this lineage in their works. If such a lineage did exist, why was such an important fact not mentioned in the numerous texts attributed to these great souls? Only 'Dam Dami Taksal Ithihas Sankhep', a text produced after the death of Baba Gurbachan Singh Khalsa mentiones this lineage, and even so, it does not refer to ANY historical document (either from 'Dam Dami Taksal' or otherwise) prior to its publication that speaks of this lineage. Considering this lineage contains some great names, such as Akali Nihang Baba Deep Singh Shaheed, Akali Nihang Baba Gurbux Singh Shaheed, Baba Harnam Singh Bedi, etc, it is a surprise that the 'Dam Dami Taksal' is not mentioned in: a) Suraj Prakash Granth Gurbilas Dasmi c) Pracheen Panth Prakash d) Naveen Panth Prakash e) Mahan Kosh f) Sikh Sampardvali ...or indeed any text prior to the publication of 'Dam Dami Taksal Ithihas Sankhep'. These texts mentioned above even mention relatively minor sects such as Sutra Shahis, Gulab Rahiea, etc. yet the 'Dam Dami Taksal' is not spoken of. Perhaps the mighty intellectuals of 'Dam Dami Taksal' can point us to their sources of where this lineage is documented and explain why the 'Dam Dami Taksal' was not mentioned by ANY historican (Sikh or non-Sikh) before the publication of their own text by Baba Kartar Singh. This isnt a 'dig' at anyone, just a quest for the truth. If we as Sikhs are able to substantiate our history then we are more likely to succeed in the future for our foundations will be based on turth, and as such will be more secure. Ta... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 i must say most of the katha on gurmatveechar by baba gurbachan singh ji i have sent it from leicester and i am 100% sure that on one of the katha baba ji state that the taksal lineage did start from baba deep singh ji and bhai mani singh ji and the lineage continued through baba sundar singh ji. i will have to go through all the mp3s again but will try to find the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Kam, if this is the case, then Baba Gurbachan Singh has contradicted himself because in his own text, Gurmat Rehit Maryada, he gives quite a different perspective as to who the rightful heirs to Akali Nihang Baba Deep Singh Ji's lineage are. Let me know if you find the katha... Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Also, while we are on this subject, I wish to pose another set of questions for the sake of seeking the truth. If the lineage of 'Dam Dami Taksal' can be proven to be as stated on their websites, then why did they abandon the traditions of one of their OWN 'Mahapursh' Jathedars? Akali Nihang Baba Gurbax Singh, is known to have eaten meat and consumed Sukha and opium in his lifetime, and adorned Akali Nihang Singh uniform (see http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...pic.php?t=1903) For reference, I quote again: 'Listening [to the coming of the Afghans] the Singhs got ready. They adorned weapons and chain mail on their bodies. They did chatka [killing with one blow] of goats and drank goblets of opium and Sukha. Gurbux Singh was the groom, and the others, the wedding party.' ('Naveen Panth Prakash', Giani Gian Singh Nirmala, Bhasha Vihbhag, Pa. 928) ‘Listen to the story of Gurbakhsh Singh Nihang and learn. Attained well did he, martyrdom at Amritsar. He was a Nihang and a great warrior. Wore he blue dress and kept the conduct well. Waking in the morning he drank Sukha. Becoming intoxicated he brushed his teeth.’ (‘Pracheen Panth Prakash’,1832 ,Expurgated by Vir Singh Pa.414) And a painting of Akali Nihang Baba Gurbax Singh, as present on the 'Dam Dami Taksal' website: The 'Dam Dami Taksal' affiliated Sikhs are known for their FULL belief in the words of their own Jathedars. To them there is NO doubt that the Mahapurshs of 'Dam Dami Taksal' can be incorrect. As proven many a time, the words of the 'Dam Dami Taksal' Mahapurshs are considered to be 100% truth by their followers. Those who disagree are considered as not having faith in Sikhism, or as occured in the Midlands approx a month ago (see Des Pardes for the full article), some individuals even chose to use violence to silence those who speak out against the 'Dam Dami Taksal'. The questions that arise are: a) given this 100% faith in the Mahapurshs of the 'Dam Dami Taksal' by their followers, why have they gone AGAINST the practices of one of their most famous Jathedars, Akali Nihang Baba Gurbax Singh, and abandoned traditions such as Chatka and Sukha? why do the Sikhs of the 'Dam Dami Taksal' advocate vegetarianism and ban ALL intoxicants (see the 'Dam Dami Taksal' website for their 'Rehit Maryada') c) Are the 'Dam Dami Taksal' themselves violating the practices of their own Jathedar by speaking out AGAINST Sukha/opium (ie, by banning all forms of intoxicants) d) According to the 'Dam Dami Taksal', did Akali Nihang Baba Gurbax Singh and his Singhs violate the 'Dam Dami Taksal' Rehit Maryada by doing 'Chatka' and 'drinking goblets of opium and sukha' (as mentioned the quotes above)? e) If the 'Dam Dami Taksal' affiliated Sikhs consider the quotes above to be incorrect, then why do they utilise these very texts for purposes of Katha? f) Finally, considering the Akali Nihang lineage that the 'Dam Dami Taksal' claim to possess, I assume that traditions such as Shastar Vidiya are also present as the 'Taksal' afterall is a school of Sikh traditions, and one tradition that a Singh should possess is that of Shastar Vidiya. For the sake of increasing vidiya amongst the Panth, could the 'Dam Dami Taksal' Sikhs please put me in touch with their current Shastar Vidiya Gurdev so that I may pass his details onto Nihang Niddar Singh? It would be excellent to compare notes and see how their Shastar Vidiya differs from that of Akali Nihang Baba Durbar Singh Sanatan Sikh Shastar Vidiya Akhara. Thats all for now... PS: I hope this will not turn into another anti-Nihang thread. The focus of this thread, as suggested by the title is "Lifes for Damdami Taksal Mahapursh's" - and Akali Nihang Baba Gurbax Singh was one such Mahapursh (according to the lineage given by 'Dam Dami Taksal' on their websites) who's amazing life is being discussed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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