Orchids Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 hello what are yamdoots, dharamraj. could someone help thanku sorry if it has been posted b4.. i have searched 4 the topic cant find it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Gurfateh orchids, Yamdoots/Devdoots: Both are angel of death. Yamdoots take people who did bad deeds in their life and Devdoots take people who did good deeds in their life. Dharamraj: Dharamraj is the dude who give your shakum sirrara(jiv atma) an decision whether you goin to narak(hell) or swaraga(heaven) Please click on this link to have idea about life after death: http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1013 I hope that helps 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orchids Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Gurfateh orchids, Yamdoots/Devdoots: Both are angel of death. Yamdoots take people who did bad deeds in their life and Devdoots take people who did good deeds in their life. Dharamraj: Dharamraj is the dude who give your shakum sirrara(jiv atma) an decision whether you goin to narak(hell) or swaraga(heaven) Please click on this link to have idea about life after death: http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1013 I hope that helps im confused i thought that if you were bad you come back as another life form? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 And also one more question, I would like to add to this discussion just to gain more knowledge. Are they male or female? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girlUK Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 LOL@ Dharamraj - a 'dude' Orchid, have a read of a book called 'In Search of the True Guru' by Rama Singh (a dude who was Hindu and one day, stated getting visuals and as a result became a gursikh). Its in English, so its easy to understand. Heres a quote from the book with regards to what he saw (death experience): "I have had a personal experience of how a lustful person is tortured in that horrible nightmare. A person is first taken through a gate of fire and thrown into the pit of hell where the water is boiling all the time. When the Soul reaches there, it repents for its evil deeds. There is no food or water served. On all 4 sides, one can hear the wailing of 'HAI, HAI' , if someone asks for water, he is first asked by the JAMDOOTS for which good deed done during his lifetime he should be given water. If he has none to his credit, then no water is given". There are some images in the book that Bhai Rama saw, and more on this experience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 another life form = narak.. I dont think being born as animal is something to be proud of .. because in animal reincarnation there is no power of "vichar" Only human being has ability to do vichar and contemplate on naam simran. Admin's query: I think it depends, if you are female you will see female character and if you are male, you will male chracter as dharamraj. According to my understanding on this subject... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 http://www.gursikhijeevan.com/media/audio/..._Ishar_Singh_Ji http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=2224 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orchids Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 i will have many sleepless nights.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orchids Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 how long are they tortured for...? what if they really repent.. and will god forgive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Well, God doesn't come there as per my understanding. It is only a court of Dharam RAj Singh ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Don't worry and meditate on Naam, it will wash away your sins. how long are they tortured for...? what if they really repent.. and will god forgive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulpreetsingh Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 about heaven and hell I think n3o singh means heaven-like and hellish circumstances in life, which can be experienced in different life forms --- and those who really repent are forgiven yes those who repent and never re-offend, guru sahib gives them a chance to clean up their past karma bhul chuk maaf karnaa jee VaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaaVaaheguroojeekeefatheh!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 yeah life is wot u make of it. it can either be heaven like or hellish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 some people here don't seem to get it: heaven (svarg) and hell (narak) exist in SIkhi but they are not eternal. Some people like Kala Afghana say they do not exist in SIkhi: that's a lie. This is actually one of the reasons why he got condemned by Vedanti and all the traditional scholars! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 I think Heaven and Hell exist and are here on earth but I also think that there is Heaven or Hell in afterlife. Who knows maybe if we do good we are blessed with twice the goodness (Heaven in afterlife and Heaven next life on earth) and vice versa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 I was always led to beleive that heaven and hell are here on earth. I didnt think there was such a place in the afterlife. If so, then whats the point in us being here?? And doesnt that mean transmigration isnt a part of sikhi?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Sikh_Fauge, In Bhai Rama Singh Ji's book he explains hell a little bit (*depends on the situation or opinion of the individual?, who knows ). I've heard there are so many different types of hells and it all depends on the situation of the individual. bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Bhai Rama SIngh isn't the authority! Gurbani has plenty of mentions of other levels of reality! Mod's Note: Edited- You don't decide which literature this site should have or which literature this site shouldn't have. Leave that to team pls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 lalleshvari, I was just giving an example. If you goto http://www.sikhitothemax.com and type in hell, you will see there are many references of hell. Also Didn't Guru Gobind Singh Ji say whoever calls him God will burn in a pit in hell? I guess there are no clear answers, we will only have to experience hell however it is. Yamdoots taking me away is hell enough for me, I'm gonna faint right there. Here are a couple posts probably worth checking out: http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...&t=1765&hl=hell http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...&t=1085&hl=hell http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...3&t=684&hl=hell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 I thought these references werent to be taken literally, as the gurus were only employing these words to emphasise whatever point they were making. ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 The Gurus were intelligent enough to express a message without using unnecesessary artifices. If hell is mentioned it's because it exists although in sikhi we are not obsessed by it. You should love Akal Purakh not out of fear of hell but because you love to love Akal Purakh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 It looks like no-one actually looked at this link. All the answers regarding yamdoots, dharamraj is there- http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1013 Please put some effort and read that topic. Its a long read but certainly educational and fruitful :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 4/12/2004 at 12:48 AM, Orchids said: Q1)how long are they tortured for...? Q2)what if they really repent.. and will god forgive A1) There is no such calculator yet for the question you ask about, for it is something in the hands of wise Nature, pretty much beyond our manipulative human nature. A2) The only repentance is possible while being alive in human birth, for as the Bani repeatedly tells us something, to which we moorakhs pay no attention, and that is that Nam is the only Truth, and it is by attaching ourselves to that Supreme Truth, through meditative Nam bhakti, that all our sins can be washed away. After death, only punishments and rewards can be had accordingly to our karmas, but it is ONLY while being alive in human form, that real repentance can be made, which is of Nam bhakti, the all rounder cleanser. Only with Nam bhakti, all karmas are erased whether good or bad, for it is only then that we become karmaless, thus no punishment in hell, nor rewards as much as in Baikunth or Swarg lok, but only total freedom and true union with that highest and eternal Truth, namely Waheguru Akal Purukh SSA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 This is a brief meaning of the terms that dass found from bhai randhir singh ji khalsa akj from one of their books. If anyone wants me to upload pages or chapters from this book please let me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Soulfinder said: This is a brief meaning of the terms that dass found from bhai randhir singh ji khalsa akj from one of their books. If anyone wants me to upload pages or chapters from this book please let me Thanks brother Soulfinder, yes please, do upload all the pages from this book, as I find them useful, inspiring and fascinating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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