SAadmin Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I m opening up an new discussion on Kartarpuri Bir since there has been lot of questions regarding this specific bir lately. Here are few questions on Kartarpuri Bir. 1. What is it? 2. When was it created? 3. Why it was given to sodhi lineage? 4. Does this bir have "Ragmalla" in it? 5. Is it in laridwar or pad-ched saroop? 6. Why there is an tention regarding Kartarpuri Bir lately? Thanks in advance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhsingh Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 in pure honestly, alot of ppl will claim they have seen the real katarpuri saroop , but that is not true. no one really knows ACCAULTY where it is. some say its over here, and some, over there. there has been discussions about the whereabouts of it for some time, and which old saroop relaly is the katarpuri saroop. thats all i know about it. the pro raagmala ppl will tell u it has raagmala in it. the anti-raagmala ppl will tell u it doesnt. see akj.org and damdamitaksal.org (now closed) if u dont believe me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 From the book "Divine Mystic Reflections on Gurmat" by Sant Naranjan Singh Ji: Q: Please say something about Raag Mala's place in Gurbani. A: Sant Ji: Raag Mala is part of Gurbani. the original Kartarpur beed or Granth written by Guru Arjan Dev Ji and the other at the Dam Dama Sahib written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji both have Raag Mala in them. I have seen both volumes. The ink used and the writing of Raag Malaand the rest of the Gurbani is the same. My faith is that Raag Mala is authentic Bani and should be honored and given due respect as Bani. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 is this going to be the same old Ragmala debate?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 No Singh47, Look at my questions...you will find ragmalla just part of the questions...so this thread not 100 % percent to ragmalla. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 http://www.sikhawareness.com/files/Kartaar...erh%20Baare.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Great Amrit veer ji.. i ll read it.... :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhsingh Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 n3o u wanna write up the just of what its saying? thz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 n3o u wanna write up the just of what its saying? thz Learn Gurmukhi yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar :x 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhsingh Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 even if i did know, thats a hell of alot to read 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Picture of Kirtarpuri Bir of Darshan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhi Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 okaaay... so how come no one's answering the questions? (and neo, i know how to read gurmukhi. but there's no way i'm gonna read that much. sum it up for us... please...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 1. What is it?, This is the 'Beerh', which was edited by order of Guru Arjan Dev Ji, under the supervision of Bhai Sahib Gurdas Ji. The Gurbani of Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib Ji is not included in it, because this part of Gurbani was created later. The part of 'So purakh' is not included after 'So Dar' either. The signatures of Guru Arjan Dev Ji and Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji make this 'Beerh' more precious. 2. When was it created? This was written and installed in Sri Darbar Sahib, Sri Amritsar in 1604 AD. At first, it was called 'Pothi Sahib'. Later, some people gave it a new name of 'Adi Granth Sahib'. Because it is kept in Kartarpur Sahib, a city in Punjab, so it is now called 'Kartarpuri Beerh'. 3. Why it was given to sodhi lineage? Guru Arjan Dev Ji was a 'Sodhhi' himself. He installed it in Sri Darbar Sahib. When Sri Amritsar Sahib was attacked during Guru Hargobind Sahib's Guruship, it was sent to Guru Ki Vadaali and then to Kartarpur Sahib, which was the city founded by Guru Arjan Dev Ji. Dheermal was grandson of Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji. Guru Hargobind Sahib then went to Keeratpur Sahib and left for his heavenly abode there. Baba Gurditta Ji, father of Dheermal, aslo expired there. Dheermal had the ownership of Sri Kartarpur Sahib, and obviously 'Kartarpuri Beerh'. When Guru Harkrishan Ji left for Sachkhand, Dheermal and company fixed up their camp in Bakaala, because Guru Harkrishan said 'Baba Base Graam Bakaala'. At that time, the 'Kartarpuri Beerh' was there in Dheermal's camp in 'Bakaala' (now called 'Baba Bakaala'). When Dheermal ordered his gang to attack Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib Ji, Sheenha (a 'masand' of Dheermal) fired at Guru Ji. They looted money and articles belonged to Guru Teg Bahadur Ji and ran away. The Sikhs, under the command of Divaan Dargaah Mal, Mama Kirpal Chand Ji and Bhai Makhan Shah Lubaana, chased the Dheermal and recaptured all the material and money from Dheermal. They also got the 'Kartarpuri Beerh'. However, Guru Teg Bahadur sent all this money, articles, and the 'Kartarpuri Beerh' back to Dheermal. Dheermal lived in Kartarpur Sahib. Since then, the 'Kartarpuri Beerh' is kept there. 4. Does this bir have "Ragmalla" in it? The book written Bhai Jodh Singh makes it clear that Ragmala is there in Sri Kartarpuri Beerh. Actually, no one can deny that Ragmala is written in Sri Kartarpuri Beerh. It is there, but some people tried to prove that it was added later in Sri Kartarpuri Beerh. 5. Is it in laridwar or pad-ched saroop? In those times, it was very common to write in 'larhi-vaar' style. Not only the Gurbani, but also other books were written in 'larhi-vaar' style. Sri Kartarpuri Beerh is not an exception. 6. Why there is an tention regardingKartarpuri Bir lately? Actually, there is no tension. Some people are trying to create confusion. They say this is not the original Sri Kartarpuri Beerh. Ironically, they do not provide and evidence. When the circus by 'Sardar Bahadur' Kahan Singh was proved a flop-show, such people spread new 'shosha' that Sri Kartarpuri is not the original copy. The only motive behind this entire 'circus' is to prove that Ragmala is not the Gurbani. Some people are saying that Kartarpuri Sodhhis should hand over this 'Beerh' to the 'Panth'. Hmmm, the 'Kartarpuri Beerh' is still safe, because it was not given to the 'Panth'. Had it been in the control of 'Panth' and been kept in the 'Sikh reference library' in Sri Amritsar, it would have been lost during Operation Blue Star. We know what happened to precious handwritten old 'Beerhs' and other books during the Operation. The 'Panth' received the 'Sri Damdami Beerh' at Takht Sachkhand Sri Hazoor Sahib by Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself. Where is that 'Beerh'????? No tension about 'Sri Kartarpuri Beerh'. Yes, there is no tension in the minds of Gursikhs. Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib Ji himself gave the 'Kartarpuri Beerh' to 'Kartarpuri Sodhhis'. It was the Will of Satguru. Why should we take tension? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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