Guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 was parcheen panth parkash written by rattan singh bhangu or gian singh nirmala? not that it matters just curious about the author.?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Amardeep, can you not read this on a deeper level? The Shaheed Singhs in their Khalsa form represent the spirit of Maha Shaheed Bhai Taru Singh Ji. That the true form of the Khalsa was upholding dharma and not allowing the paapi Zakria Khan to escape his crimes (or expect his God - who is everyones God - to help him because he was a Muslim) is simply metaphoric poetry pertaining to the rule of truth and righteousness. We shouldn't always get bogged down in the details and wallpaper. This sakhi is meant to give inspiration, hope and courage to a persecuted community - not something to laugh at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Rattan Singh Bhangu 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 it just sounds funny that spirits are fighting with actual weapons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malwe Da Sher Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Very intelligent reply Shaheediyan Ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Kharag Singh Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 amardeep im really surprised, your acting like an Idiot. Do not underestimate the Shaheeds, if Chandi can be in the form of a Talwar why cant Shaheed Singhs fight with weapons? Stop acting like a child... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 So the spirit of the peers and paikambhars were beaten by other spirits holding weapons in their invisible hands? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 it just sounds funny that spirits are fighting with actual weapons Nothing funny about it brother. All Mahapursh describe Shaheed Singh as being fully armed with traditional Khalsa weapons, sort of like Nihang Singhs. It has been said that Shaheed Singh can even help the Khalsa in times of battle when evoked by rehetvaan or Kamaiwalay Singhs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Where were the shaheeds in 1984? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morghe Sahar Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Are there more sakhian like that? Just for information's sake so I can check them, thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 There is a whole gupt world (quite a few actually) that most of us can't see yet. Also referred to as 'gupt-mandlan'. Have no doubt that shaheed Singhs were helping the Khalsa during 1984. Whatever Akaal wills is sweet. Many people have had experiences with Shaheed Faujan. Keep up your bhagti and you will too..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Amardeep, who is to say Shaheed Singhs didn't play a part in 1984? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. The ways of the Shaheed Singhs are not known to us. They are Gupt. Whatever they do, they do under the guidence of Guru Gobind Singh Jee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 are there any writings mentioning these shaheed singhs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 When Banda Singh Bahadur asked Guru Gobind Singh Jee how he would be able to defeat such large Muslim armies, Guru jee replied that Shaheed Singhs would help him. When Banda Singh Bahadur asked him where are these Shaheed Singhs, Guru Jee told him to look up in the sky, and to Banda Singh's amazement he saw crores of fully armed Shaheed Singhs. This story is mentioned in Suraj Prakash. Just because we do not have the abilities to see them doesn't mean they don't exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepsingh Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 "In his autobiography, Bachiter Natuk (in Dasam Granth Sahib), Guru Gobind Singh ji writes that in a past life he did massive bhagti and as the ages passed he eventually became one with God. This was before Sikhi. It is possible to reach sachkhand without sikhi. However sikhi is the fastest and easiest way. For example, hatha yog, a technique used in earlier ages could not be used by most now b/c 999 out of 1000 people trying it would go mad according to baba isher singh ji. in a past age people's bodies and discipline were stronger. That being said, it is clear that many other religions, such as islam, aim for heaven. A state lower than Sach Khand. If you don't believe me than read Japji Sahib. It states that sach khand is beyond description. However, the koran describes heaven as being filled with hooris and so on and so forth. As for whether or not the follower of another religion could reach such a stage while remaining a follower of that faith.....I am not sure." good point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 how many singhs had died before the event in 1707 since there could be millions(lets just say thousands for the sake of discussion)of shaheed singhs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 how many singhs had died before the event in 1707 since there could be millions(lets just say thousands for the sake of discussion)of shaheed singhs? I once asked a Buzurge Singh the same question who does alot of Bhagti. He said that Shaheed Singhs do not just come from our world. They come from civilisations from all over the universe and even from previous ages before this current universe was created. The Khalsa/Sikh Dharm is all over the universe. I know this all sounds very far out and not very PC, but if you believe in Sikh traditions from traditional puraatan sources then it is not far out at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 There are also different types of Shaheed Singhs - some are sent to do sewa and stick to that but, like us, some get intoxicated by their powers and get people to give them offerings etc. Some people also forget Guru Ji and start following Shaheeds - you can find shrines built to Shaheeds in many pinds. Unlike Guru Ji, some Shaheed Singhs aren't very 'dayalu' so if their followers try to break away from them or stop giving offerings, they can cause problems and in that case, only a Pooran Mahapurkh can sort out the situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Matheen, have you personal experience of this or know a Baba who has dealt with this situation, if so, please PM me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Mahteen Jee where did you hear all that from? From what I've heard and read about Shaheed Singhs, they uphold Khalsa Dharm. They can even take birth to uphold Khalsa Dharm even if it means to again become a Shaheed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 The shaheeds that Matheen is talking about are different - they are in affect 'bhatakdiyan ruuan' - akin to 'live' jaterai in my observation. They are not the metaphoric (or real) spirit and roop of the 10th Master. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTF Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 There is a big difference between the Shaheedi Faujaa, and your typical village "shaheed". Most of the time it's actually not someone who died fight for dharam, or even died fighting at all, most of the time it's someone never married and had no offspring. Some member from his family will build a memorial and christen him a shaheed. Some places the samadh of such people even get transformed into gurdwaras. Regarding Shaheedi Faujaa....they have their own distinct existance and have existed fom Aad Kaal. Those that die fighting for Dharam get to join the Faujaa if Guruji so desires. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Shaheediyan and DTF are spot on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipledgeblue Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 hi, is there anyway to display threads like this to the public, sometimes I just want to show threads to people not on this site, but can't because they have to log in. So I was just asking... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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