UCL Sikh Soc spreading lies about Snatan Sikh Events

[Morpheous]

Sukhdev = when you say BS - again i respect your opinion.

However, the email posted is a fact. They lied thats a fact too.

Paaji, its proof of misinformation, thats the bottom line.

You speculate all you want about anything else.

The EMAIL IS A FACT. So with all due respect FACE IT.

No offence intended Sukhdev paaji, your my paaji at the end of day.

Gurfateh

[Dynamic_Banda]

ohhh ffs man, BOSS do your own stuff.. Congrads on the langar event at Bham Uni, wicked idea nice and new concept well organised and gave all a chance to experience Guru Ka Langar, and everyone can now enjoy doing pavitar paads.

Nihangs do your own stuff, Looking forward to the website and all that funky stuff.. except those weird as$ crisps..

When we all die lets do ardas that dharamraj will set up a great big wrestling ring and we can have a big as$ royal rumble to make us all feel speshul.

At least now both sides are activly doing something and majority of the sangat can get something from both sides..

Those who make mistakes make damn mistakes. BOSS needs to except that there are messed up people and ideas in some of its members.. and Nihangs need to except they aint all Demons.. lol and some of them are actually doing something good.

Now lets all eat nasty chewy crisps..

[Guest]

ohhh ffs man, BOSS do your own stuff.. Congrads on the langar event at Bham Uni, wicked idea nice and new concept well organised and gave all a chance to experience Guru Ka Langar, and everyone can now enjoy doing pavitar paads.

Nihangs do your own stuff, Looking forward to the website and all that funky stuff.. except those weird as$ crisps..

When we all die lets do ardas that dharamraj will set up a great big wrestling ring and we can have a big as$ royal rumble to make us all feel speshul.

At least now both sides are activly doing something and majority of the sangat can get something from both sides..

Those who make mistakes make damn mistakes. BOSS needs to except that there are messed up people and ideas in some of its members.. and Nihangs need to except they aint all Demons.. lol and some of them are actually doing something good.

Now lets all eat nasty chewy crisps..

An Eye Opener.

Dhan Dhan Siriman gyankhand/karamkhand/narakkhand vasi baba 111 baba dyanmic banda peacewale tuhadi and tuhadi Murgee dii Jai Jai Hovaie

Lets wrap up the wrestling.

Only on your command baba ji . I ll lock this topic... please give this das hakum. :bow: :bow:

[Dynamic_Banda]

No need to lock it yaara.

I dont think locking topics helps, its just a power trip you admins.. have..

(lol watch SMS gonna kik my head in.. )

Its cool let the discussions continue.. if there is any need to continue..

Loads of love peacewale murgi baba.

[Guest Javanmard]

btw where is the murgi baba from in the animation. Looks like a Bihari worker...

[Dynamic_Banda]

Ahhh you see shaka Sore Eye..

Only an enlightened soul can see that the MURGI is the BABA..

Hence it can run without its head for eternity, It has the power of Naam,

The man trying to hack up the Murgi Maharaj is Kaljug manifest. Your praying yellow shirt wearing Baba will never know the truth, He is blind with his sore eyes.

[palm_w1]

this thread seems to be going off topic fast and turning into another feud. please stick to the subject of the UCL sikh soc.

ok, ok, ok.

let me try answering the points and questions put to me 1 by 1.

to Beast:

You ask for an example of intimidation. I think I may have jumped the gun by making that statement but its just that the original email was talking about not mentioning someones name because they were scared but then the actual email went on to name Kultar. This was followed by posts which named other people such as Harjit Singh Watford, Nav Cheema and Satinder Singh (these posts have now been removed). It seemed that a name was being withheld to protect that person then certain contributors to this thread went and named others. I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that naming these other people amounted to some sort of veiled threat as Harpreet doesn't name his source. These suspicians in me grew even stronger after seeing the posts were removed, perhaps because the contributors thought they were threatening or maybe the moderaters did. I don't know. Or maybe i am suffering from psychosis due to excessive deg consumption. i dunno.

to shaka:

"We are now seing the consequences of Sikh societies not taking action against Boss and SP."

What are the consequences? That a rival factions (to which you are affiliated) event got cancelled?

bhaji you talk about sikh societies not taking action against BOSS. I have been a student in london for a long time and to be honest BOSS has helped to set up and support many sikh socieites all over london. to my knowledge i don't know of any others who have done this. I don't want to get caught up in the mudslinging between sanatan sikhs and BOSS, but i think BOSS has done a lot of good for Sikh Societies all over the country. if it wasn't for them a lot of sikh socieites wouldn't exist. Example, the flyer for the lecture series claims that Warwick Uni sikh soc supports the event. Warwick uni's sikh society was dead for years until BOSS helped revive it 2 years ago. rather than abusing BOSS perhaps the haters should help to promote and setup sikh socieites. then perhaps the socieites would be more receptive to sanatan sikhs holding lectures in their institutions.

"renowned rapists, pimps, drug dealers and criminals "

I suggest if what you claim is true you take your evidence to the police. In this country drug dealing, rape, pimping and 'crime' is in fact illegal. These are very serious crimes and should be stopped, I am sure the CPS would be interested in prosecuting BOSS and SP if you could provide them the evidence which you seem to possess. This is of course if you are telling the truth.

"Threaten women (how low can you get)"

Again this is also illegal. However i do know Dilpreet personally and I have asked her if she was threatened. She has stated categorically it is a LIE. Bahadur Singh you have once again gone on to fabricate the truth and make up lies. The person you claim was threatened has told me it is a lie. Please do refrain from fabricating evidence as this does not do you or other Sanantan Sikhs any favours. Dilpreet will soon be posting here to explain her side of the story. Do not stir up emotions to promote your propoganda, especially when the emotions are made up of lies.

To Harpreet:

You raise many interesting points.

Firstly let me apologise for you feeling i am having a go at you. This was not my intention, I love all people but when accusations are being made against my universities sikh society I do take an interest. However it is hard to discuss 'facts' that are posted by a secondary person on an internet forum.

regarding Sarb and Dilpreet. They may had been aware of the Sanatan event but were not told about the content. The comittee only changed their mind when they noticed that some lectures in the series had content which is likely to lead to arguments. We have already been threatened with the closure of our sikh society because of arguments at the sikhi week event by certain sanatan and non sanatan sikhs. Take your fights elsewhere, our university is not a battleground.

you don't do a good job of hiding you friends identity. It is easy to guess the secretary of UCL sikh soc wrote the email by the lines in your post which say: "here is a copy of an email they sent to their students behind my back after BOSS and Kultar Singh intervention." and " This email was not sent by the secretary(who was responsible for the emails)" With little research you can find out who this is. I won't mention his name but i will talk to this 3rd year medic soon to discuss his grievances.

you say the author has lied. Mr PAlm as far as im aware theres a difference between a typing mistake and a lie! A Soas Lecturer who specialises in indian religions supported the event. You should contact the name and number on that flyer for confirmation. Again please refrain from baseless accussations they make you a target for critcism.

I can't believe your audacity. It is a blatant lie. A spelling mistake would be writing SAAS instead of SOAS. Claiming SOAS has a sikh society which supports the event is classed as a lie and a fabrication of the truth. Regarding the lecturer, he is a PHD student who lectures part time in Hindu Law. How does this qualify you to claim SOAS's non-existent sikh society supports the event? It is baseless lies like the ones you are trying to propogate which motivate me to research more. Well research i did and it turns out that the event was in fact cancelled at UCL! it did not take place at UCL like your friends email claims. It also turns out that other sikh socieities who do not support the event are placed on the flyer. namely LSE and in the end UCL. As someone who is defending the author of the flyer perhaps you should ask them to stop making the event look like it is supported by people who do not support it. Furthermore i am quite confident that it is also a lie that Warwick uni supported this event, i will confirm this soon i hope. This leads me to question how many other 'facts' that are on this thread are also in reality fabrications and outright lies.

Palm, can you please read posts carefully before trying to argue your points.

I have done and have spent a lot of time on this post, and going through your posts. I strongly suggest you take the time to read and understand my post. Also please try and answer some of the questions i pose as you have ignored them in my previous post. I make many allegations of lies which I stand by and have first hand proof for. Please stick to the truth. Also ask your friend anonymous friend D***EET to take up his issues at the committee meeting rather than dragging the sikh socieites name through the mud in this public fashion. It does nobody any favours.

Next time before posting your friends hate mails you should try and verify what he says and find out if it is truthful.

Fact 3: This email was not sent by the secretary(who was responsible for the emails), it was done without their permission, BEHIND their BACK!!!!!!!!!!!

The email was sent by the person you claim is president. I could be wrong but i think the president outranks the secretary!!! If the president sent it how can it be without the sikh societies permission. Behind their backs! Again a lie. Also please don't give me the usual spiel that you never wrote the email blah blah. Perhaps you should make a statement saying it may contain many factual errors as is know being proven to be the case. Or come out and make a staement that you support the email and its contents.

I can't believe the amount BOSS have been harssing unis and spreading lies to sikhs!!

Rather ironic you should say that.

to Akali_Singh:

is it true that our sikh sisters have been intimidated by those whose duty it is to protect them? If so, what is this world coming to !?

can someone please answer this honestly?

I can answer this as unlike some of the contributors here who are assuming I have spoken to the person involved. She has NOT been threatened and says she did not feel intimidated in any way. However she is upset by the lies being spread on this forum. Well done guys. Looks like the agressor has been crying wolf on this forum mate.

to N30 S!NGH:

"Kalyug to the max man!"

I agree. But do you agree now presented with evidence that these accusations are a lie that the actual Kalyug is the lies being spread by two contributors here. Also please don't jump the gun without knowing what is going on. I also hope you are just as disgusted by the lies as you were by the baseless accusations which were based upon these lies.

to Sanatan Sikhs in general:

Please refrain from fabricating evidence. You do yourselves no favours and bring down the name of true sanatan sikhs like Nidar Singh. Promote your thought process through facts and arguments; not lies, deceit and emotion. Apologies to all the decent sanatan sikhs out there, i don't mean to brush you all with the same labels but some of your comrades don't refrain from chatting poo.

I hope this now puts an end to the matter.

[sikh_fauge]

SP are criminals..i personally know people "affiliated" with SP. The question isnt whether they are corrupt or not (everyone knows they are, and many members have had dealings with the police) the question is, are BOSS really affiliated or using SP to intimidate other sikhs.

[sidak]

here's an email currently on a few of the e-groups ...

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Sikh Societies Joint Statement on ‘Traditional to modern British Raj Sikhism’ Lecture Series and ‘Snatan Sikhs’

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

In recent weeks the Institute of Sikh Martial Heritage have organised a four-lecture series entitled ‘Traditional to modern British Raj Sikhism’ to take place at a number of London universities. The sole speaker for the lecture series is Mr Niddar Singh.

Promotional material for this event which has been circulated electronically and via flyers has stated that the lecture series is supported by a number of London-based Sikh Societies.

Members of our London-based Sikh Society committees were approached by associates of Mr Niddar Singh to book venues on their behalf, but without specifying the theme or nature of the lectures. It was only after the above mentioned promotional literature was circulated that we became aware of the precise nature of these events.

We would like to make clear to all concerned that contrary to the false advertisement and rumours that are being circulated; we did not and will not support this lecture series, the Institute of Sikh Martial Heritage or Mr Niddar Singh.

We have informed the relevant Student Unions that the below listed London-based Sikh Societies do not wish to be associated with this lecture series or the organisers, and that all venues booked under their Society in relation to this lecture series be cancelled immediately.

In addition to the London-based Sikh Societies, we would like to categorically state that the Societies listed below do not wish to associate themselves with the Institute of Sikh Martial Heritage, Mr Niddar Singh or any other group promoting him.

With respect to misrepresenting the Sikh Societies, we demand that the Institute of Sikh Martial Heritage issue a written apology to all Sikh Societies concerned.

On Behalf of the following Sikh Societies,

Kings College London Sikh Society

University College London Sikh Society

London School of Economics Sikh Society

Imperial College London Sikh Society

Cambridge University Sikh Society

Oxford University Sikh Society

Hertfordshire University Sikh Society

Brunel University Sikh Society

City University Sikh Society

Luton University Sikh Society

London Metropolitan University Sikh Society

Kingston University Sikh Society

[Morpheous]

I can't believe your audacity. It is a blatant lie. A spelling mistake would be writing SAAS instead of SOAS. Claiming SOAS has a sikh society which supports the event is classed as a lie and a fabrication of the truth. Regarding the lecturer, he is a PHD student who lectures part time in Hindu Law. How does this qualify you to claim SOAS's non-existent sikh society supports the event? It is baseless lies like the ones you are trying to propogate which motivate me to research more.

Very poetic, keep researching and you might even find the truth about how london Boss acted.

Research all you like Singh. Face the facts.

Let the people decide now. No hard feelings.

Gurfateh

[sikh_fauge]

Its nihang niddar singh (not flaming you harpreet!)

Im really sick of this them and 'us' mentality..but truthfully the lack of respect alot of "mainstream" sikhs have towards "sanatan" sikhs, particularly (evidently) organisations like BOSS, makes me want to stoop to that level of 'them' and 'us'..

Why cant people live and let live..i think we should give out leaflets to the sikh community and tell them to go to my thread on masturbation. And im being serious moderators..i think some people have way too much emotion built up inside them, from the lack of sexual activity. This in turn leads to rage..anger..the need to have power..sorta like a rapist.

God damn you wahabis!!! :evil:

[Morpheous]

Lol SF, i cant be bothered with this anymore, singh all that was required was 4 lecturess, thats all, and those Boss lot got their knickers in a twist.

I suppose your right, we should all have more sex.

[sikh_fauge]

Now now mr singh!

I never said sex..im just talking about masturbation here lol.

You get what i mean tho right? Too many people repress their lust, anger, etc..and although the intentions are there, because its being forced, it tends to channel out in some negative way.

The best way to control the vices is through naam simran..through grace..through love..cos it usually stays.

'smile once in a while' thats my moto!

[Morpheous]

The best way to control the vices is through naam simran..through grace..through love..cos it usually stays.

'smile once in a while' thats my moto!

Here here to that.

[palm_w1]

Im really sick of this them and 'us' mentality..but truthfully the lack of respect alot of "mainstream" sikhs have towards "sanatan" sikhs, particularly (evidently) organisations like BOSS, makes me want to stoop to that level of 'them' and 'us'..

Why cant people live and let live..

I strongly agree with you that this them and us mind set is wrong. It is leading to too many arguments and people are just simply deciding not to turn up to sikh society events when they see the fracas' created.

While i do agree with you that many 'mainstream' sikhs are deregotary towards 'sanatan' sikhs and do not respect their views i think the same is true in the other direction. Many sanatan sikhs have massive hatred towards anything that is mainstream. for e.g. the ridiculing of gatka when the W Mids sikh soc poster was posted on this forum.

My benti is for everyone to live and let live, and this applies equally to sanatan sikhs as well as 'mainstream' sikhs. You can't condemn mainstream sikhs for their actions when sanatan sikhs are just as bad and sometimes even worse.

[palm_w1]

SP are criminals..i personally know people "affiliated" with SP. The question isnt whether they are corrupt or not (everyone knows they are, and many members have had dealings with the police) the question is, are BOSS really affiliated or using SP to intimidate other sikhs.

I believe one certain member of BOSS is rumoured to have used SP friends to intimidate people at one event last year. Does this make all of BOSS corrupt?

Do the actions of Phoola make all Nihungs raping mass murderers?

[palm_w1]

On a lighter note guys you could have allowed arguing and all the friction and just come to the bhangra night i was hosting at UCL union on the same day as the alledged talk ironically enough.

It was a great success and I am sure I will see you all at the next one Come along, line a peg and move your feet to the dhol beat.

it is a great stress reliever and a possible alternative to some of the other methods being suggested!

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[Rakash Singh]

are u mc palm, palm_w1?

[palm_w1]

alledgedly. but i can't actually MC to save my life

[Dynamic_Banda]

LOL Palms motives how now risen.. He wants to destroy the them and US notion in order to increase his catchment group.. Lol..

Nice .. nice going ..

I will defo come to the next one and line whatever pegs you want. Just make sure im VIP and on the guest list..

[sikh_fauge]

Its all about the bhangra! Brrrrrrrrrruaaaaaaaaaaah

[challenge_everything]

Can't we all hug an make up?

Harjit Singh Ji Watford and Ustaad Niddar Singh Ji Wolverhampton kiss and make up?

lol.... Guru Kirpa Kare

[Guest]

Harjit Singh Ji Watford and Ustaad Niddar Singh Ji Wolverhampton kiss and make up?

I hope you are talkin about brotherly kiss :roll:

[yogidas]

a good 'ol brotherly slopper on the lips.

[Guest Javanmard]

French kiss!!!