Sava Lakh Jaap of Mool Mantar Sahib

[Soulfinder]

10 minutes ago, Kaur Inder said:

Oh ok thank u so much.. 🙂

Thats ok glad i can help

[Soulfinder]

1 hour ago, Kaur Inder said:

For mool mantar it’s 32 mala per day right (108 beads).. can a person do 16 mala in the morning and again 16 mala in the evening or have to do 32 mala at one time it could be morning or evening.. if u can answer plz do I’ll be grateful 

 

Also one thing i would like to add is rather than doing 32 malas in one day you can start step by step if you find hard to do that many malas as it can cause tirdness and headaces.

Like you can start from 1 to 5 then 10 and onwards in the start. 

 

However if you are easy with doing 16 in morning and 16 in evening do go ahead.

 

Also finally some people say mool mantar is up to Jap or Gurparsad but make sure it is done to Nanak Hoise Be Sach as i have posted a link in my previous posts of what happened when Sant Harnam Singh Ji didn't read it fully. 

 

[Kaur Inder]

17 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

Also one thing i would like to add is rather than doing 32 malas in one day you can start step by step if you find hard to do that many malas as it can cause tirdness and headaces.

Like you can start from 1 to 5 then 10 and onwards in the start. 

 

However if you are easy with doing 16 in morning and 16 in evening do go ahead.

 

Also finally some people say mool mantar is up to Jap or Gurparsad but make sure it is done to Nanak Hoise Be Sach as i have posted a link in my previous posts of what happened when Sant Harnam Singh Ji didn't read it fully. 

 

Yes I’m going to start with one mala first and thn after some time I might do 16-16.. it took me exact 20 mins to do one mala so it’s going to take a lot of time for me to do 32 but hopefully waheguru ji will make it happen soon.. and I do full mool mantar upto Nanak hosee bhi sach.. thanks for ur help.

[Soulfinder]

2 hours ago, Kaur Inder said:

Yes I’m going to start with one mala first and thn after some time I might do 16-16.. it took me exact 20 mins to do one mala so it’s going to take a lot of time for me to do 32 but hopefully waheguru ji will make it happen soon.. and I do full mool mantar upto Nanak hosee bhi sach.. thanks for ur help.

Bhen Ji thats good cos it takes time to do big number mala jaaps but i am glad i could help

[Singh123456777]

13 hours ago, Kaur Inder said:

Yes I’m going to start with one mala first and thn after some time I might do 16-16.. it took me exact 20 mins to do one mala so it’s going to take a lot of time for me to do 32 but hopefully waheguru ji will make it happen soon.. and I do full mool mantar upto Nanak hosee bhi sach.. thanks for ur help.

Hopefully after some time it will take 10 mins to do it, its just practice.

[Kaur Inder]

8 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

Hopefully after some time it will take 10 mins to do it, its just practice.

Hanji hopefully. Thanks paji

[sarabatam]

To make it effortless, question who is doing the jaap? In reality, its vahiguru doing jaap of itself thats a absolute truth- Sargun Nirgun Nirankar sun samadhi apan kiya nanaka ape fir JAAP.

Dont be vested into count downs, dont let ego take ownership of jaap, dont let mind focus and fragment absolute reality into relative reality- self phalna phalna singh or kaur doing the jaap....just DO it/see it or feel it (AWARENESS/SURAT/CONSCIOUSNESS DOING THE JAAP PERIOD with no sense i am person doing the jaap)/ dont be vested or emotionally attached to jaap, semantics of it.

GET OUT OF THE WAY !! EFFORTLESS VAHIGURU IS DOING JAAP ON ITSELF

 

[Singh123456777]

23 minutes ago, sarabatam said:

To make it effortless, question who is doing the jaap? In reality, its vahiguru doing jaap of itself thats a absolute truth- Sargun Nirgun Nirankar sun samadhi apan kiya nanaka ape fir JAAP.

Dont be vested into count downs, dont let ego take ownership of jaap, dont let mind focus and fragment absolute reality into relative reality- self phalna phalna singh or kaur doing the jaap....just DO it/see it or feel it (AWARENESS/SURAT/CONSCIOUSNESS DOING THE JAAP PERIOD with no sense i am person doing the jaap)/ dont be vested or emotionally attached to jaap, semantics of it.

GET OUT OF THE WAY !! EFFORTLESS VAHIGURU IS DOING JAAP ON ITSELF

 

Veer ji the stage you talk about is very high,

for a beginner goals and number counts are extremely helpful.

But yes, you are correct in saying that Vaheguru is the one doing the jaap.

[sarabatam]

I am sorry there are no stages as in future stages, every moment we have a choice identify with our ego or get out of ego conceptual framework- identify with pure surat-awareness before mind kicks in. Unfortunately we all give in to human conditioning and identify with conceptual ego moment to moment, whole point of simran is remembrance of this truth-natural indentification with our pure surat before illusion of i am a person.

 

[Lucky]

20 hours ago, sarabatam said:

To make it effortless, question who is doing the jaap? In reality, its vahiguru doing jaap of itself thats a absolute truth- Sargun Nirgun Nirankar sun samadhi apan kiya nanaka ape fir JAAP.

Dont be vested into count downs, dont let ego take ownership of jaap, dont let mind focus and fragment absolute reality into relative reality- self phalna phalna singh or kaur doing the jaap....just DO it/see it or feel it (AWARENESS/SURAT/CONSCIOUSNESS DOING THE JAAP PERIOD with no sense i am person doing the jaap)/ dont be vested or emotionally attached to jaap, semantics of it.

GET OUT OF THE WAY !! EFFORTLESS VAHIGURU IS DOING JAAP ON ITSELF

 

Welcome back, and you got it!   I have a huge problem trying to explain this to people because they can't seem to grasp it. You have to "surrender" and leave ego behind. No questions, no what if's, no what is this or what was that? ... Just devote and give in to the jaap with NO INTENTIONS or CONDITIONS.  The only pre-condition must be that I wanna see and be with my maker.. Just like bhagat dhanna. He could have sat in front of anything you gave him and would have still seen his malik because his intention was completely pure and there wasn't  an ounce of mayavee condition.      I have had countless gursikhs saying I can't progress, I've taken amrit, do nitnem, do sukhmani, do hour of simran...but still feel stuck.  When I ask them what their real intentions are  ie. what is the ardas? do they do it just for sukh shanti and peaceful bliss? ...is it for success? ,  riches, happy relationships,  happy marriages??   The answer is always yes.  Then I tell them that they are doing a sodhha based on conditions and they need to look within.   You can't get enlightened with pre-conditions of maya.  Our ardas is not an introductory prelude for a list of wants and wishes to add on at the end; sadly this is what we make it.   

I know of one guy who started seeing the brahm jyot and reaching heights of advanced experiences; simply by sitting down with complete surrender and love in the heart. He used a part visualisation that I mentioned a long time ago to imagine his consciousness shrinking into a small dot and completely letting go of his body. He amended it slightly to putting this dot of awareness directly into the heart chakra area in centre of chest and doing jap with heart beat.  No conditions, no wants, no ardas list, except asking forgiveness for wrongs and surrendering of mann into-> the heart/Atma.

[Kaur Inder]

11 hours ago, sarabatam said:

Dont be vested into count downs, dont let ego take ownership of jaap, dont let mind focus and fragment absolute reality into relative reality- self phalna phalna singh or kaur doing the jaap....just DO it/see it or feel it

How counting or doing x amount of Jaap leads to ego.. I think ego can still overtake when u do khulla pehra. Why it’s always considered that chalisa is useless and its always said that it’s the ego of a person.. I think it’s the intentions that matters whether if rememberance is done under a specific amount of time or u do it unconditionally.. whatever u said is absolutely correct that it’s not us or me who does the Jaap but it’s the mindset of a person so I think we can’t say everyone who does is egotistic.. I still have ego and ego isn’t something that can be won over night for a sinner like me but These X amount of Jaaps can help in getting over haumai if done with true intentions.

[Lucky]

2 hours ago, Kaur Inder said:

How counting or doing x amount of Jaap leads to ego.. I think ego can still overtake when u do khulla pehra. Why it’s always considered that chalisa is useless and its always said that it’s the ego of a person.. I think it’s the intentions that matters whether if rememberance is done under a specific amount of time or u do it unconditionally.. whatever u said is absolutely correct that it’s not us or me who does the Jaap but it’s the mindset of a person so I think we can’t say everyone who does is egotistic.. I still have ego and ego isn’t something that can be won over night for a sinner like me but These X amount of Jaaps can help in getting over haumai if done with true intentions.

Don't get the wrong end of the stick here. Ego is always there. Haumai is something that gives identity and makes you, you and me, me. It is the "I" in us and continues to use the mind as it's slave until we can subdue it.  Doing x amount of japs and x amount of hours is highly recommended.  However, you have to understand that the "intentions" need to be as per "satch" and you don't wanna be busting your backside or sweating it out trying to reach your numbers. 

Doing x amount of japs or x amount of hours is highly recommended. However, it has to be done with prem and not just for the completion. There's been days when I've done 16-18 hours of deep simran. None of these were to beat my own world record or anything, but they happened because I were so absorbed and magnetised in the love. It took much effort to make myself stop as I just couldn't get enough.   No limits, no sense of time, no sense of body, just him, doing jap on himself.

A few people ask "how does this prem come?"  I really don't know how because you can't force yourself to love something. My only conclusion is that it's being prepared to give all and sacrifice your mind and body without any condition whatsoever. Just tu hi tu and tera hi tera

 

[Kaur Inder]

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

Don't get the wrong end of the stick here. Ego is always there. Haumai is something that gives identity and makes you, you and me, me. It is the "I" in us and continues to use the mind as it's slave until we can subdue it.  Doing x amount of japs and x amount of hours is highly recommended.  However, you have to understand that the "intentions" need to be as per "satch" and you don't wanna be busting your backside or sweating it out trying to reach your numbers. 

Doing x amount of japs or x amount of hours is highly recommended. However, it has to be done with prem and not just for the completion. There's been days when I've done 16-18 hours of deep simran. None of these were to beat my own world record or anything, but they happened because I were so absorbed and magnetised in the love. It took much effort to make myself stop as I just couldn't get enough.   No limits, no sense of time, no sense of body, just him, doing jap on himself.

A few people ask "how does this prem come?"  I really don't know how because you can't force yourself to love something. My only conclusion is that it's being prepared to give all and sacrifice your mind and body without any condition whatsoever. Just tu hi tu and tera hi tera

 

So did I said something else? That’s what I said ego is there doesn’t matter if u do khulla pehra or chalisa. But some people bring ego  within chalisa and says I did this many or he/she did this amount of paths or jaaps and with khulla they don’t judge..  It’s the intentions and how they do it and why they do it and for what they do it. It’s different for everyone. 

[Sat1176]

This a some what difficult to explain without breaking someone's sharda, which is not my intention, in these types of jaaps that gurmukhs and mahapursh encourage. I have hardly heard anyone say when doing mool mantar, do so with complete dhyaan (focused concentration, awareness on the words). What is given emphasis is the count you have to complete. You can do a million recitations at super speeds but if your concentration is not locked on what is being said and it is one big mumble going on the mind or voice, then I'm sorry it probably won't bare any fruit. I feel this is not made clear to abhiyasis when these jaaps are encouraged. Yes it is better than not doing anything and whilst you might build up stamina and be able to sit for long periods the key point is where was the mind when doing these jaaps? What mahapursh hope is that over time your concentration levels will increase automatically after which time you can progress to gurmantar.

 

 

[Lucky]

On 12/14/2017 at 10:49 PM, Kaur Inder said:

So did I said something else?

Yes, hanji....you started off saying.............

On 12/14/2017 at 7:19 PM, Kaur Inder said:

How counting or doing x amount of Jaap leads to ego

In response to this, i kindly explained..

On 12/14/2017 at 9:48 PM, Lucky said:

Don't get the wrong end of the stick here. Ego is always there. Haumai is something that gives identity and makes you, you and me, me. It is the "I" in us and continues to use the mind as it's slave until we can subdue it.  Doing x amount of japs and x amount of hours is highly recommended.  However, you have to understand that the "intentions" need to be as per "satch" and you don't wanna be busting your backside or sweating it out trying to reach your numbers. 

 

Maybe a misunderstanding?  no problem, perfectly normal

[Kaur Inder]

23 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Yes, hanji....you started off saying.............

In response to this, i kindly explained..

 

Maybe a misunderstanding?  no problem, perfectly normal

Oh ok I said that like that was a question from me to that poster coz he said don’t get stuck in counting and ego something like that. So I was asking him like what counting and ego.. 🙏🏻 Hanji misunderstanding ji. 

[Mehar]

On 12/13/2017 at 8:41 PM, Soulfinder said:

Also one thing i would like to add is rather than doing 32 malas in one day you can start step by step if you find hard to do that many malas as it can cause tirdness and headaces.

Like you can start from 1 to 5 then 10 and onwards in the start. 

 

However if you are easy with doing 16 in morning and 16 in evening do go ahead.

 

Also finally some people say mool mantar is up to Jap or Gurparsad but make sure it is done to Nanak Hoise Be Sach as i have posted a link in my previous posts of what happened when Sant Harnam Singh Ji didn't read it fully. 

 

I will be great help if u can share dat post again abt sant harnam singh ji ... 

as i m doing it till gurparsad as i heard it in sant maskeen ji katha but i m confused as many gursikh do it til nanak hose bhi sach

[Soulfinder]

7 hours ago, Mehar said:

I will be great help if u can share dat post again abt sant harnam singh ji ... 

as i m doing it till gurparsad as i heard it in sant maskeen ji katha but i m confused as many gursikh do it til nanak hose bhi sach

Veer ji all mahapursh's like Baba Nand Singh Ji did mool mantar up to Nanak Hose Bhi Sach. Even Baba Deep Singh Ji's kirpan has full Mool Mantar written on it. 

 

Here is a link which i posted on Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji Rampurkhera Wale.

 

 

[Soulfinder]

Here is a another video i found about full mool mantar a very good message.

[Guest heena]

please you can explain step by step what can i do........i want to do jap....but every time my mind is not stable in it.....please gurusikh ji...... explain krdo ki kida start kita jawe path...or ki ki krna honda

[Mooorakh]

On 1/8/2019 at 12:32 PM, Guest heena said:

please you can explain step by step what can i do........i want to do jap....but every time my mind is not stable in it.....please gurusikh ji...... explain krdo ki kida start kita jawe path...or ki ki krna honda

Don't worry about mind not being stable .. that's the phal. The result.. 

Path karo taaki Mann jurre don't wait for the Mann to be stable to do path. That would never happen on its own. It's like churning milk. Butter will come on its own.. it's a natural process .. however time may differ for different people. All the best. 

[Guest deepa]

sorry to ask this question but I m a.  woman.  How I could do this 40 days jaap  again I m sorry but it is necessary to ask if I get in  monthly problem than also can I do the same. Can I touch the mala n  sunder gutka  n can I sit on same place   Plz ans I m curious to know

[Sat1176]

 

3 hours ago, Guest deepa said:

sorry to ask this question but I m a.  woman.  How I could do this 40 days jaap  again I m sorry but it is necessary to ask if I get in  monthly problem than also can I do the same. Can I touch the mala n  sunder gutka  n can I sit on same place   Plz ans I m curious to know

 

I'm not sure if this is a serious post or someone just trying to stir up a heated debate on the topic. I'm of the view Guest posts should not be allowed in the Meditation section as you can get shit stirrers who just like to dirty the waters in this area. If someone is genuinely interested and wants to post then they can take a few minutes out and register. Most users are gupt anyway so I don't see why this is the only section on the forum that allows posts without registering.

If the post is genuine all I'm going to say is :

1. Don't exclude yourself from attempting a 40 days jaap because of your cycle, otherwise you can never do it.

2. Why do you need a Sunder gutka for mool mantar? Surely you can memorise the words. 

3. Remember, the mind is to do the bhagti, not the body. Mind has to be attentive and present during the jaap, not wondering off doing it's own thing.

 

[Guest deepa]

I want toask something

 

[Mooorakh]

Hey m a woman too..  Never heard of anything like that before like not touching gutka sahib during periods. We even do paath of Guru Granth Sahib ji.  (Daily seva at-home) My mom does.  Grandmother did. Mil does.  Were u brought up in Hindu environment by any chance (cos my Hindu frens say these kind of things, though they hv a bleeding Devi whom they worship) .  If Waheguru ji had any problems with us in those days he would have not created us that way or Guru sahib would hv mentioned it in SGGS.... u would not believe many concepts of relationships between be it parents and children or husband/wife,  in-laws etc are mentioned in SGGS JI.

Anyway periods is a natural phenomenon and being a woman u should be proud not ashamed of it as it gives us d opportunity to bring a life in the world.  (Being jann ni- wow isn't it). 

Also pls register urself as a member on the site as mentioned by veerji.  It's a small process n this is a wonderful place.