tSingh Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Swami Parmanand ji is back in the UK around Birmingham way. He is a teacher of Vedanta and is respected among traditional Sikhs. He has good relations with Sri Mahant Tirath Singh Sevapanthi for example (and visited Goniana Mandi a year or so ago), he also attends smagams at Nanaksar (Baba Ram Singh wale) and Sri Mahant Gyan Dev Singh of Nirmal Panchayti Akhara. I was once told that he is an Udasi mahatma but am unable to confirm that, plus his name is Giri which makes me doubly doubtful. Can anyone confirm otherwise? Anyway, I won't be in the UK when he's here, but he will be visiting Brummy related places like the Durga bhavan, Nanaksar gurdwaray and the Namdhari gurdwara. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Goddess Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I have heard his discourses, he speaks on common themes with deep philosophical twist, very interesting. He visited Nanaksar in New Zealand (Sant Baba Amar Singh Jee) and the sangat enjoyed his lectures there a great deal. Unfortunately, we have people from taliban.org already shouting RSS before hearing what he has to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SAdmin Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I never had chance to listen to his lecture but I would love to listen to one. Can someone upload his lecture online? Is this Swami Ji? http://www.swamiji.info/default.php 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SAdmin Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I have listened to Bapu Asaram and he is an awesome Saint. http://www.lifepositive.com/Spirit/new-age...aram-bapuji.asp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Black Goddess Jee, I dont understand is, how does a person become an afghan simply because they dont agree with you on some swami jee? despite what Swami Jee has to say about what he beleives in, he is not Gursikh, hense has no authority to lecture Sikhs in a Gurdwara (of all places) on Dharm. Maybe a Mandhir or community center would be a more appropriate place for such events to be held. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Goddess Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Ooooh, so as long as you are 'GurSikh' you can 'lecture' in the Gurdwara, what if you are a 'GurSikh' but also a rapist? There are plenty of self-claimed 'GurSikhs' around who follow anything but GurMat. Also, you dont become an afghan by disagreeing with me, you become a member of taliban by being anti-sant and anti everything normal. That's a huge difference. Ps. Nice move, I noticed your sudden edit from 'he is not Amritdhari' to 'he is not GurSikh. :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Black Goddess Jee, I dont understand is, how does a person become an afghan simply because they dont agree with you on some swami jee? despite what Swami Jee has to say about what he beleives in, he is not Gursikh, hense has no authority to lecture Sikhs in a Gurdwara (of all places) on Dharm. Maybe a Mandhir or community center would be a more appropriate place for such events to be held. Ever heard of Inter-faith ?? Ever heard of Guru Kee Masjeed Singh47? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I never had chance to listen to his lecture but I would love to listen to one. Can someone upload his lecture online? Is this Swami Ji? http://www.swamiji.info/default.php i too would love to hear what swami ji has to say... please upload them if you have them, if you can't find a place to upload then pm me with ur msn so i can upload them for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Wow Black Goddess, You seem genuinely agitated. “what if you are a 'GurSikh' but also a rapist?†Obviously you are not a ‘Gursikh’ if you are a rapist, unless of course you think that raping is also a part of ‘Gursikhi’. Gursikhi comes from following the Sikhi of the Gurus i.e. Naam Simran, reciting Gurbani, keeping Amritvela and rehet etc. How can a non-Gursikh lecture Sikhs on Gursikhi when he himself is not following the path of Gursikhi? It’s almost like a music teacher trying to teach physics to physics students. It just doesn’t add up. Anyway, please visit the following link on the Gursikhi jeevan site. http://www.gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/...Amritdharis.wmv It is about whether or not Non Amritdharis should be allowed on a Gurdwara stage for parchaar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Here is mullah sahib on the gurdwara stage receiveing robe of honor after finishing the speech from Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranvaley (ratan of the panth and damdami taksal). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 N30 Singh, I think that you have misunderstood me. Sikhs (including Taksal) are not against non-Sikhs giving lectures that are social or political in nature, but are against non-Sikhs giving lectures that are religious in nature. There is a world of difference between political/social lecture and a religious lecture. At Maltan Gurdwara, you will see many non-Sikh MP’s/ MPP’s giving political/social lectures, but you will not see non-Sikhs giving religious advise to Sikhs in a Gurdwara stage, a perfect example is a few years ago when Chaman Lal was not allowed to do Kirtan and Katha at Maltan Gurdwara because he was a non-Sikh. I don’t make the rules, but I certainly do follow them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbreakable Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 .. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNaDiAn_jAtTi Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 The way I see it, if we all keep an open mind, if someone discusses religious matters it won't hurt us will it... in fact it may strengthen us in some regards to see another individual having found peace within themselves... I have had the blessing of seeing many Sant jis and Swami jis and each one has encouraged me to continue the journey.... And if it really matters to you that they won't be preachin what you want to hear, then in the end you should at least respect what they are saying and not judge them for it, because they're doing what they're expected to...(try to think what would our Guru Jis do in such a situation) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 swami ji site- http://www.supremesoul.org/swami.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 The UK Dates & Locations - (Des Pardes 15 July 2005) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Goddess Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Singh, it takes a lot more to agitate me, so dont worry. I was referring to the fake GurSikhs out there. I mean, if people have a problem with fake Sants, why not accept there are some people who call themselves GurSikhs and do lectures and katha but follow none of the rules of Gurmat? Is that not possible? I know what a GurSikh should do, but thanks for the insight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Black Goddess Jee, ...despite what Swami Jee has to say about what he beleives in, he is not Gursikh, hense has no authority to lecture Sikhs in a Gurdwara (of all places) on Dharm. Maybe a Mandhir or community center would be a more appropriate place for such events to be held. First of all veer does God have a Religion? We are after all seekng that one God, whether you call yourself Sikh in this lifetime or not. 4th line down, do you know what the word, "koi" means? Koi Baat Sunavay, and he who tells me abuot my God, my Preetam is my Bhai, is my brother?? So then this non-Gursikh guy is not your Bhai, your Friend? Does that line say only Gursikh? Is your definition of Gursikh only limited to Amritdharis?? In the context of Religion, you are correct, in the context of Universality, you only limit the potential of this title. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Pheena, 'Koi Baat Sunaavea' applies to the Baat of Vaheguru. Swami Jee in contrast happens to be a Vaishnava and a Bhagat/Shardaloo of Krishan. If you consider Krishan to be your supreme god, then by all means go ahead and listen to him. A Gurdwara is a place were Sants/Bhais/Gianis give us the knowledge about Gurmat and Gursikhi. But if a speaker i.e. in this case Swami Jee himself is not a Gursikh/Khalsa then how is he qualified on preaching Gurmat to Gursikhs? As I have mentioned earlier, a Mandhir or a community center seems more suitable for such lectures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SAdmin Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I was browsing his website and it seems he teaches "Vedanta" philosophy. Swami Ji teaches from the Vedanta philosophy, which believes there is just one soul that pervades through out the universe. God, The Supreme Soul, is the Universe and we are all part of or a reflection of that existence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Singh 47, stop distorting / character assisinate people who you haven't met by shooting arrow blindfoldy. read SADmin post 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Admin jee, on his site http://www.swamiji.info/default.php it clearly says: "His teachings on the Bhagavad Gita are clear, concise, and easy to understand. He shows everyone the path to Self Realization. " "He is also sponsor of Vatsalyagram (Affection Village) in Vrindavan (Birthplace of Krishna) " His teachings are based on the bhagwad gita. He obviously has a devotion like affection for Krishan. Also, Vedanta seems to be a little bit of a misunderstood word. Vaishnavs and Shaivs also claim to be Vedantic, who is to say they are not? Also, even if Swami Jee believes Vedanta, how does that exactly qualify him to teach Gurmat to Gursikhs and that too of all places in a Gurdwara? As Dasam Pashaa has said Simrat, Shastar, Bedh sabhea, bauh bhedh kahea, hum ek naa manyo|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 i think the controversy is not what swami ji says, its where swami ji says it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Goddess Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I give up honestly. If you dont wanna go listen to him, don't, but dont try to push your narrow minded views on anyone else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SAdmin Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Let's cut the chase. Why not get MP3 format of his lecture and post it online to hear what he says? Anyone has any idea how can we get one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Simrat, Shastar, Bedh sabhea, bauh bhedh kahea, hum ek naa manyo|| another interpetation of that quote: http://www.khalis.net/SikhAwareness/Audio/Choapai.mp3 be patient, its 8mins long, the quote is talked about 3/4 of the way thru. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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