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The Udasi sampradaya (tradition) was founded by Baba Sri Chand Ji Maharaj, the elder son, and sikh (disciple) of Sri Sadguru Nanak Dev Ji. Its adherents not only revere Sri Guru Granth Sahib, but have in their treasure-house of sacred texts, Sanskritic scriptures such as the Veda, the Shastras, the Puranas, the Itihasas viz. the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, etc., along with works associated with the Gurus. To Udasis, also known as Nanak-putras (sons of Nanak), Guru Nanak Dev Ji is none other than the avatar of Sri Vishnu, and Baba Sri Chand Ji of Bhagavan Shiva. While the purpose of both was to protect the sanatan or eternal Dharma (moral and cosmic Order), the particular mission of Baba Ji was to spread the message of his Guru and father, Nirankar-svarup (the form of the Formless) Jagadguru Nanak Dev Ji. Thus, in the spirit of their founder, the scholarly Udasis were the missionaries of Gurmat.

The Udasis engage in pancadevopasana, the worship of a combination of five deities or the five qualified facets of the Brahman, namely Shiva, Vishnu, Surya, Durga, and Ganesh, and their philosophy is that of monistic or advaita Vedanta as popularised by Adi Sankaracarya. Amongst Udasis, some are celibate ascetics, others householders, some are jatadhari (dreadlocked) ash-covered Sadhus, and others have no distinctive appearance. Not only are they scholars of Sanskrit, their particularly adept in Ayurveda, the tradition Indian medicine. When the Khalsa Singhs were involved in war against the Mughals, it was the Udasis that kept the Guru’s tradition alive by becoming custodians of the Gurdwaras.

Given some of the beliefs and practices above, one may wonder who the Udasis are and whether they are confused. There are three possibilities of explanation:

1. either they do not know whether they follow ‘Hindu-ism’ or ‘Sikh-ism’, or

2. they have taken parts of both, or

3. it is in fact the world who is mistakenly confused by seeing things in black and white and it is the Udasis who, amongst other legitimate sampradayas going back to the Gurus, truly follow and understand the teachings of the Great Sovereign Masters. It is not they who have problems of identity, but everyone else.

Their reality depicts a diminishing truth, while the rest of the modernist world has been unknowingly duped into the duality of these two artificial and until recently, non-existent religious categories viz. ‘Hindu-ism’ and ‘Sikh-ism’ created by British Colonialists. This is not how it used to be. After all the suffix ism which is the crux of our problem of understanding the truth as it stood before the time of the Raj, conceptually and linguistically belongs to the Western world, and is alien to the traditional Indian mind. To understand the reality of religiosity before the intellectual impact of the British Raj in Panjab, and thus the world of the Udasis and other puratan (ancient) traditions, one must understand it from its own perspective, not from the foreign concepts and categories of western thought.

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The first scare letter you should write should be addressed to sachkhand and Satguru Granth Sahib, as the same notion is presented in the svaiyaa of Praise to Guru Nanak,

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?Sour...amp;PageNo=1390

Pauree 7 tells how it was Guru Nanak who incarnated as the dwarf, as Raam as Krishan, all incarnations of avtaars associated to Vishnu.. So it wouldn't be incorrect to say that Guru Nanak is an incarnation of Vishnu.

However, Vishnu is not concidered as a God sitting over there sleeping with a flower coming out of his belly button. Vishnu and all the devi devte are shaktis of the one Akaal purakh. Ek onkar and the understanding of that beej mantar is what would stop any sikh from believing that calling Vishnu or Nanak the same would be an offense, not taking into account ek Onkar means the name Vishnu implies a Hindu diety with arms, legs, flower and all..

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Unbreakable I can see where you got your conclusion from and I agree with those points clearly however the whole shabad is part of Bhata de Svaiyee mahelle pehle ke,

Meaning the svaiyaas written by the Bhatta poets in PRAISE OF BABA NANAK

these svaiyaas then continue forwards praising the next 4 Gurus. Each Guru with their own svaiyaa praising them.

So in this way we know that the shabad is talking about Baba Nanak being manifested in so many ways. Over the ages.

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Gurfateh

All Udasis are not of rss.

anyway

Akal is /was in Vishnu and same Akal in Guru Nanak and same Akal in Panth Khalsa.

Udasi want to tell Vishnu worshipper to worship Nanak and then become Khalsa and realsie Akal,who contained Vishnu in themsleves.

wow thanks vijaydeep singh ji, very interesting approach.. i didn't look at it that way.

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Gurfateh

All Udasis are not of rss.

anyway

Akal is /was in Vishnu and same Akal in Guru Nanak and same Akal in Panth Khalsa.

Udasi want to tell Vishnu worshipper to worship Nanak and then become Khalsa and realsie Akal,who contained Vishnu in themsleves.

i meant that its similar to rss propaganda

i never really looked at it the way u have

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Gurfateh

As per Hindu book,

Bhavishya Puran.

Pratisarv Parv

Khand 4.

Guru Nanak was born in Panchal Area(Near Bareli UP) in the home of Vaishya MargPalak(up keepr of road). He went to Ramanada and made him his Guru and gave divine knowledge to Malechhas or infidal.

He was incarnation of Rudransh Pancham Vasu Pratosh.

so as per Hindus Guru Nanak Dev Ji are Rudrash or incarnation of Shiva and not of Vishnu Ji.

It is only by Sikh Udasis as they belive Baba Sri Chand as incarnation of Shiva and both son and father can not be Shiva.

In fact Udasis are older then RSS and even Hinduism.

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Dynamic Banda

on a personal note for knowledge:

do you think the 'NISHAAN' is the sign for the coming of the next avatar.

the Speed and courage at the way this nishaan stands up againest the assault of the Raksha's by quelling the assualts by repeating the mantra of 'dhad dhad dhad' does make one question all the prophecies mentioned in the sikh/hindu/muslim/jewish/bhuddist scriptures.

Now on a general note

if Guru Nanak Dev ji is an Avatar...or the Roop of Rab does that make him comparativley the same as Jesus Christ...aka God or the Son of God or part of some mandala like the christian Trinity, but in a eastern perspective?

and hence does that same school of thought apply to the rest of the Gurus.

plus where does the Akali/Brahmgiani stand in terms of this heirachy?

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When in the Iron age, I shall be called Nanak, you will attain the Supreme State and be worshipped by the world."7.

When I shall have taken three births, you will be made the Guru in he fourth birth."9.

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&...=t&id=68122

does this mean that Guru Nanak has been in each age?

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