Research on Caste issue

[vijaydeep Singh]

Wahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh

Das is writing this text on the behalf of all those human beings who hate racialism,which has taken the grab of Castism in hindusim and Sikhism too.This is even present in other Faiths.

thing to rember is that in India often preachers from Islam,christinaity,Budhism and leftism take dig at castism of hindus and often our Sikh schollor join the same hindu bashing bogy.Das hates this as hindu follows some Books and they totally oppose caste system.But due to adding of interpolated verses or misinterpetation of verses birth based or racial things have crept in.

Caste is infact something birth based.ie Casting or making in womb of the mother so it is same as Jati in Sanskrit often it is used for term birth. But in Sikhism,Frankly speaking all such stuff is ended.hindus are requested that instead of changing thier books of interpolated verses,you can simple use our books as it does not have any such verses.And interpetations of such verses of hindus books can have true meaning if hindus understand our holy book clearly by a Sikh schoolar.

Few tps for words formation in hindi etc.

In hindi due to its sanskrit mother we have many Sankrit words taken as it is(tatsam) like Rashtra(Nation),Other who have changed a bit(Tatbhav) like Kaam(work) from Karma,some are native(deshi) like Gorha(horse) from term Ghotrha(What is called in Dravdian tongue and taken into Sanskrit(Dravdian are a type of Race unlike Arya,Which means some other thing later explained(As per Arya Samamj or part of Sangh Parivar)So we do have words of foreign languages entering hindi/sanskrit ,they are termed Videshi best example in Sikhism will be word Sahib or lord from Arebic.

So in a same fashion words can be claasified in three catogoris

Rud or Roorh

they are basic in thier nature and are not the product of combination of two words.

like gu stands for Darkness

Ru stands for hurdle or to stop.

In the same manner we have combined words called yog or yogic which are made of combining two samller roorh words and meaning remains the verbal

example

is

Guru(here it means remover of Darkness)

or a funny one

Doh(bad) + Atma(soul) =Duratama(Bad Soul)Here r is added.

In cade of Yog rurh words ,when two basic words meet ,they give a word which has a particular meaning.

like

Guru

In the sense of one who is Guide of sprituality.

Look at the following words.

Pan(coin or money) + Dit(holder or covered) = Pandit

By Yogic words it is wealthy but in realty it is used for one who is wealthy in education.

Vi (a superlative term) + Pr(term to give a sense of head or again something supreme). = Vipra(Ampbransha or Tatbav is vip or bip).

It is used for super head,As in acient India,We had religous head always controling Kings,So Vipra was the head of the Religous department of state. It later became the mark of respect of small time prists being address.

Like in our hindi speaking area,Porohit or prist is often called Pandit Ji Maharaj or Wealthy by educated sir king. Often he is not that much educated.more often he is very very poor.

castes in other faiths

Islam and christianity say all men are from one couple Adem and eve(One verse of Saint kabir also mentions the word Baba(Father) Adem in Guru Granth Sahib JI)Same is the case with jew. This states that all human is from one family.yey either due to the pagen influence or ethno-regional reasons often there are conflicts in races/tribes/nationalites relted to same of the faiths mentioned before.Muslims or cristioans who are hindu by 'race' have broght in the decease of caste in them too.

same could be said for Sikhs. Das here is with the complete matterial provided by scriptures revered by hindus,which clearly cancell that approach,that caste pr race are by birth. There were in fact some divisions based on profession ,which some vested interset made 'by birth'.Like das's biological family is the family of Vaishyas may be saome vaishya in past coould have done some arrangement so let his coming generation lives with his wealth and trade so he might let caste be by birth then class based on profession. Such person could hve been Brahmin or Kshtriya as well.

There are only a few quotes from old scripture like Vedas,Manu Samrit,Gita and Mahabharata.

Whole universe is one family.

(Yajur Veda 32/8)

That(God),The all prevasive,Pervades all beings within and without.

Yajur Veda 32/8

Oh Arjuna

Superme being dwells in the hearts of all creatures.

Gita 18/61

Mahbharata(1.60.5) sataes that people from one Varna by deeds can be divied in four Varna.

Gita(4.13) talks divisions of 4 Varnas based on deeds or bent of mind.

Then by manu Samriti(10.65)

Shudra becomes Brahmin by his good conduct abd vice vers ,a Brahmin becomes Shudra by his misconduct.This applies to Kshtriya and Vaishyas as weel.

Mahbharat (Anu P. 143.5) Brahminhood is not by due to coming out of womb of Brahmin mother,Or by being child of Brahmin father.But of good conduct,Good habits and Vedic knowledge.A shudra having good conduct and practicing restraint can get Brahminhood.

(Mahabharat anu P. 143.51)

O Yudhistir! A man cannot be a Brahmin by family or Birth/caste.Even chandal with restrain and good conduct is a Brahmin.

Manu Samriti(1.88) tells Brahmin is one with duties like educting,performing religeous ceromonies etc.

(1.89) give Kshtriya doing protection of others subject,studying veds etc.

(1.90) Vaishyas are one trading,Animal rearing,Farming etc.

Yajur Veda(30.7) Talks of Shudra who live by labour intensive work.

then there is some verses from (Rig Veda 10.90.12 and Yajur Veda 31.11)

which say from head of Purush Brahmin came and by hand Kshtriyas and by thighs Vaishyas and feet Shudras.

They gave professional coming out of socity but here father is only one of four professional.Weather child is born of caeserian operation or normal delivery or by hogh forceps.Child is of mother.So similarly when God is termed as mine of four profession(Sarbloh Granth) we talk of one father of all.In Fact Das could not find it but in the same Sarbloh Granth even God has been termed as Varna or Jati himself.

Varn is compising three letters Va(With) Ra(in) Nha(here it is for move ing).so to move in one type by self will ie more used in profession so it is yog Rurh.

Ja (often talks of earth/place) Ti means (to do or to move) so it stands for birth.But often refers to a community based on birth. Next thing is here due to hinduism some nationalty or race by Birth But not in Sanatan Dharam.

Even Dhol Gwar Sod Pasu Nari,Yeh Sab Taran Ke Adhikari in Ram Chritatar manans can mean.

Cattle,Iletrate lower,Animal(like) female is worthy of beating.

were Gurus or Sikhs Khatris ? or did Guru married khatri wives?

Of ten people ask why all Sikh Gurus were Khatris or why did nine fo them Married.Das can say that first Master did married a lady as per thier parents wishes.While other succeding two master married befroe they were Sikh but remaing Six masters marred not the Khatri ladies but Sikh ladies.And When Gurugaddi was been given all Master were Sikh.Only at Vaishakhi 1699 it happened that it was tranfered to Five Sikhs representing Khalsa.

Then likewise first master was the one who did not wore Janeu as as per Manu Samriti he was never a Dwija or twice born(Manu Samriti 2.172).So he was EKAJ or sudra so his deciple lost Kharithood after becoming Sikh so same appled to latter three Gurus.If we read the concept of Brahman as per Gurbani then they were more near Brahmins.They were so by the mercy of Akal. So by deeds Gurus were having qualities of four Varnas.And that manu Samrit version also(2.172) does not talk of ritualism but of studies.but gurmat made it further to spritualism.

During the time of Gurus altogather since first Guru.It is said in the Bhai Gurdas's Var that Guru becmae Sikh and Sikh became Guru so the concept of Panth guru was there too.Charan Pahul as per Sau Sakhi is water derived from corner of the cloath wrapping Guru Granth Sahib JI.so this does proves that Sabad Guru was there.And Fifth Guru's taking wak from Adi Guru Darbar after its compilation proves the concept of Sabad Guru again.

Some people talk of Second Guru was Tehan(Jatt) and not Trehan(Khatri) but this could not be true as there was a mattrimonial relation with his family to a non Sikh family of Third Guru.May be if it is true then this means that castism was not brought in for mattrimonial relationship but how could non Sikh agree to it?May be part of the family was non Sikh but Third master were a hindu yet.

likewise saying Khatri as Kshtriya can be correct but they inter marry Aroras and they may be used as Arroras often call themselves as Khartri.Das does not know all the Gotras of wives of Gurus but Bahal are Arora or Khatri Das is not sure.But Arora Khatirs may have Gotras like Khunger,(Jatt equiivalent Khungra),Gorewara(Present day they like to write grover in jatts they are Grewal),Then Malik and Katriyas of Jaats of hariyana are in khatris also.Likewise Suri,Khattar,Kakker,Gakhars are tribes of Pathans as well in Khatries of Kukhrain brotherhoods or even outside them.KUmbhar is potter but there is a Gotra in Khatris.Kundras and Bhandaris could have Brahmin connections.So in anyway there are Jaats in Sonipat and North Delhi with gotra as Khatri.As per Vachitar Natak Gurus family can be traced back to Ramchnadra.But that could be some other message in it by Guru.And that talks of Bedis and Sodhis and not Bhallas or Trehans.

Amrit and tale of beheading.

So maybe Amrit 's story of beheading perhaps meant that Guru did not actually beheaded the various people and interchanged there heads but they do combine what it is said in Suraj Prakash and Pracheen Panth Prakash(Rattan Singh) or Var of Bhai Gurdas Ji,Uniting of Four Varna into one.This thing is unprecendented yet not opposong to Vedas or Vedanta.

The way Ba Tashe or what is called Patshe in Punjabis get desloved in water of Amrit so all Varnas or Jati are desoved in Panth Khalsa.Mishri a sweet of hindus was not used nor was Kheel(Shirni) whcih was of grave worship was used.Mishri is purely suger and Shrini is rice coated with suger.One tells of unicultural assetrtion not valid as per Gurmat.Others talk of duality of in and out.But Ba(with) Tashe(plate) talks of intergrating flour and wheat and setting them in plate so with plate(it is the term of urdu Farsi of the time of Guru) was the actual Mitha or sweetner added to Amrit(As wrttan in Suraj Prakash and Pracheen Panth Prakash).

Sau Sakhi and bhai Alam Singh.

There is a sakhi in Sau Sakhi (Mangal Prakash) that Guru did not liked the Brahmins who ate meat and went agaiost there norms.They asked why Alam Singh,with Brahmin ancestors is still allowed to eat meat inspite of being Sikh.Guru Said,My Sikh eats meat not Brahmin.So he was a Sikh and not of any caste.

Dalit,Jatt or brahmins.

So as Das proved that in hinduism there must not be caste then how does it come in Sikhism.not only this but often Jatts tend to say in 'Panth' that dalits are to be seperated how is it possible as often there could be same Gotra of Jatt and Dalit that is they could be same in upper node of family tree.

Often some Sikhs have vendeta towards Hindus,Who could be Dalit or Brahmin.That must not be there as in hindus or in any other faith we are not allowed to discriminate by birth or what we say caste.Say if Aurangzeeb or Gangu brahmin did not behave well with Gurus then Gurus did not become enimcal to Muslims or brahmins in general.

das want to say that there are some wrong elements in us who will try to press about pre Sikh gotras of Sikhs so that they must be attratected to thier hindu forefather.Is not it crazy that Amrit they say is old fashion and need of that circumstances while how can the Gotras older then Amrit are still relevent.

Some one told das that Guru did approved Caste but treated them equally.If this is so then that equality is more then sufficent to end caste which is based on equlity based on birth.This means eqality to take Amrit with same bowls as other Sikhs.Equlity to share food or sit togather in Langer or Eqality to marry o in any caste or to take any profession.So caste is based on sharing food,Inter marrying and profession by birth,And that all is elimnated.

There were warriers as well priests of Sikhs who were having kalal(Brwers),carpenter or skin tanner ancestors in hindu past.

Often people tend to bring there pagan rituals in Faith.and they take time

Reason for misquating vars of Bhai Gurdas JI.This is nothing else but an attempt of people who are Both Anti Hindu and Anti Sikh.They try to preach that Sikhism is a racial faith.They do a sin in the eye of God who made Bible and Kuran and as per them to whole human had one father(Adem) or have one caste .(in Sabad Sattar.. Salar Jake..By Sant Kabeer Ji Adem is called father in Adi guru Darbar Also).

So what Bhai Gurdas Ji were doing was not encouraging Gotras but were telling readers who could be hindu from same Gotra that see how people from there familes got bliss of Gurmat so they may too join gurmat.A Preacher of Christianity will give testomony or story of Indian convert in India not in Africa.Say to convert Bodo tribe to his faith example of Naga converted Christinaity will be of less use then with bodo convert.

One person from Kala Afghana side said that persons are not having there Gotras in that Vars but they are there villages.

So Das can only request to people of all Kala Afghana side to surrender that calim that say a person can be Jatt and Sikh at the same time.Let us say that we are only Sikh.

das was told by an Amritdhari Sikh that there is a need to keep the knowledge of Gotra.It helps to avoid the concentration of genetic disorder well within one family but by marrieing outside a family or caste that disorder is elminated but in Sikhism otherwise marrying within same Gotra is not disallowed.

Kala Afghana's Realted missioary also try to say to end caste,They must try to replace there Gotras with some other surname.Like Hazuris Sikhs in south India have names like Pyada,Swar or Topchi as there forefather Had profession as infantry ,Cavilary or artilary.They are the purest Sikhs left as they have no caste.At that time of Sikhism there were no castes,They are a recent phenmina when during Ranjeet Singh's empire many pagens came in Panth and brought there pagan rituals.

Ramgarhia and bhindrwale are not caste but names realted to places.But often by others they are mistaken to be castes.

Gangu Brahmin episode may not be seen as in caste as Gyani Gyan Singh who was having hindu ancsetors as daulat Jaat also took whole account of jaat going against Gurumat.Likewise Bhai Keasar Singh Ji from past of hindu chibber did not include Gangu not for his being Brahmin but perhaps his being away from Malwa region where this all does happen.

Varn cross

This is omething new which perhaps Sikhism did.In Ratan Singh Bhangu's world Tat Khalsa said to Banada,we are Four Varna and you are Vaishnu(ritualist vegi).

So this thing was never before in Hindus but not going against them either.Here unlikie Varn cross or Varn Sankar(Where say a prist(Brahmin) works like a trader(Vaishya) that means say teaches for wealth or treats for wealth or for Profit while his actual deed is to treat as his duty or Dhram without seeking any profit).

Gurus Talk and did realsie of Varn Sangathan(union of attributes of Professions or genes).A Sikh has four varns with in him her,Like Educated includeing sprituality better then Brahmin,Warrier better then Kshtriya,Trader or earner better then Vaishya and serving Mankind better then Sudra.Considering one self humlbe as Sudra.Sikh had all attribute in one human body.Sikh still have the same.

In Sau Sakhi Guru says he has three Sidki Sikh,Nomand Trader,Farmer and who has dwroned everthing (to Guru) as he took lobour doer equal to spritualy enlightened one even while not having time for that.

When some one says that at spritual level there is no caste but at social or economic level it is then this is a contradiction.Our five Kes or 4 Kurehats are there to tell that what we are in our inner sprituality thats what we are outside in practice.Sikhism is not the hypocrate faith which has differance in preaching and practise.No one can be pius Sikh when in spritual level he has to go for truth but at economic level he tells a lie.Or say when a patit says that inspite of not keeping hair he is Sikh from heart.Das can ask him that this is duality not liked by God.So be hear if we consider a lady as our mother but in actions we sleeep with her that is a duality.As we see God in all so we can not say that some one is Big or small even by his/her deeds leave aside birth as all things are by God.

We must Help Hindu,Muslims or Christians as they all have problems with caste,ethinicity or race respectively.As we as a Sikh are complimentary for all the true Faiths or Dharam.So instaed of proving that they are racial or Castist it is our duty to prove that they too like Gurmat are free from caste.And for that we will have to detoxify ourselves.

1st Das wants to put inputs from websites of Gursikhijeevan.com and sikhphilosophy.net.

Sat Sri Akal:

Guru Gobind Singh Ji, with his Sri Sahib in hand, shouted that he wanted the head of a Sikh. He never said Brahmin, Kshytria, Vaisya, Shudra or Achyut. He never said Nirmalae, Akali, Sewapanthi, Udasi, Hindu or Muslim. The invitation was open to all, and of all, five PEOPLE got up, gave their heads to Guru Sahib and become the first of the Khalsa Panth.

Here is an excerpt from the website http://www.allaboutsikhs.com:

The Persian historian Gulam-ul-din, the newswriter of that period, sent Emperor Aurangzeb a copy of the Guru's address to his Sikhs on the first of Baisakh, Sambat 1756 (1699 A.D.) which reads as follows:

"Let all embrace one creed and obliterate differences of religion. Let the four Hindu castes who have different rules for their guidance abandon them all, adopt the one form of adoration, and become brothers. Let no one deem himself superior to another. Let none pay heed to the Ganges, and other places of pilgrimage which are spoken of with reverence in the Shastras, or adore incarnations such as Rama, Krishna, Brahma, and Durga, but believe in Guru Nanak and the other Sikh Gurus. Let men of the four castes receive my baptism, eat out of one dish, and feel no disgust or contempt for one another."

There is no caste/race/gender/creed/etc. divisions in Sikhism. However, individuals are not perfect and sometimes cannot give up bad habits. That is not reflective of the ideals of Sikhism, but rather the inability to adhere to the Guru Sahib's Command.

Therefore, any organization that claims to be Panthic WILL support this position, or they would be defying the Guru's Command.

these r the few references of caste/social status from Sri guru granth sahibji used under different perspectives

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Siree Raag on Pannaa 15

nIcw AMdir nIc jwiq nIcI hU Aiq nIcu ] nwnku iqn kY sMig swiQ vifAw isau ikAw rIs ]

neechaa a(n)dhar neech jaath neechee hoo ath neech || naanak thin kai sa(n)g saathh vaddiaa sio kiaa rees ||

Nanak seeks the company of the lowest of the low class, the very lowest of the low. Why should he try to compete with the great?

ijQY nIc smwlIAin iqQY ndir qyrI bKsIs ]4]3]

jithhai neech samaaleean thithhai nadhar thaeree bakhasees ||4||3||

In that place where the lowly are cared for-there, the Blessings of Your Glance of Grace rain down. ||4||3||

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Maajh on Pannaa 116

gurmuiK Qwpy Qwip auQwpy ]

guramukh thhaapae thhaap outhhaapae ||

The Gurmukh realizes that the Lord alone creates, and having created, He destroys.

gurmuiK jwiq piq sBu Awpy ]

guramukh jaath path sabh aapae ||

To the Gurmukh, the Lord Himself is social class, status and all honor.

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Gauree on Pannaa 229

gurmuiK jwiq piq nwmy vifAweI ]

guramukh jaath path naamae vaddiaaee ||

For the Gurmukh, the Naam is social status, honor and glorious greatness.

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 352

hmrI jwiq piq scu nwau ]

hamaree jaath path sach naao ||

The True Name is my social status and honor.

krm Drm sMjmu sq Bwau ]

karam dhharam sa(n)jam sath bhaao ||

The love of the Truth is my karma and Dharma - my faith and my actions, and my self-control.

nwnk bKsy pUC n hoie ]

naanak bakhasae pooshh n hoe ||

O Nanak, one who is forgiven by the Lord is not called to account

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 468

hau FwFI kw nIc jwiq hoir auqm jwiq sdwiedy ]

ho dtaadtee kaa neech jaath hor outham jaath sadhaaeidhae ||

I am the Lord's minstrel, of low social status; others call themselves high caste.

iqn@ mMgw ij quJY iDAwiedy ]9]

thinh ma(n)gaa j thujhai dhhiaaeidhae ||9||

I seek those who meditate on You. ||9||

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 469

AgY jwiq n joru hY AgY jIau nvy ]

agai jaath n jor hai agai jeeo navae ||

In the world hereafter, social status and power mean nothing; hereafter, the soul is new.

ijn kI lyKY piq pvY cMgy syeI kyie ]3]

jin kee laekhai path pavai cha(n)gae saeee kaee ||3||

Those few, whose honor is confirmed, are good. ||3||

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Vadhans on Pannaa 559

gurmuiK jwiq piq scu soie ]

guramukh jaath path sach soe ||

The True Lord is the social status and honor of the Gurmukh.

This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Todee on Pannaa 713

nwmu jwiq nwmu myrI piq hY nwmu myrY prvwrY ]

naam jaath naam maeree path hai naam maerai paravaarai ||

The Naam is my social status, the Naam is my honor; the Naam is my family.

nwmu sKweI sdw myrY sMig hir nwmu mo kau insqwrY ]1]

naam sakhaaee sadhaa maerai sa(n)g har naam mo ko nisathaarai ||1||

The Naam is my companion; it is always with me. The Lord's Name is my emancipation. ||1||

This Shabad is by Guru Raam Daas Ji in Raag Soohee on Pannaa 731

hmrI jwiq pwiq guru siqguru hm vyicE isru gur ky ]

hamaree jaath paath gur sathigur ham vaechiou sir gur kae ||

The Guru, the True Guru, is my social status and honor; I have sold my head to the Guru.

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Raamkalee on Pannaa 945

rUpu n ryiKAw jwiq n hoqI qau AkulIix rhqau sbdu su swru ]

roop n raekhiaa jaath n hothee tho akuleen rehatho sabadh s saar ||

When there was no form or shape or social class, then the Shabad, in its essence, resided in the unmanifest Lord.

gaunu ggnu jb qbih n hoqau iqRBvx joiq Awpy inrMkwru ]

goun gagan jab thabehi n hotho thribhavan joth aapae nira(n)kaar ||

When the world and the sky did not even exist, the Light of the Formless Lord filled the three worlds.

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Bhairao on Pannaa 1127

jwiq kw grbu n krIAhu koeI ]

jaath kaa garab n kareeahu koee ||

No one should be proud of his social class and status.

bRhmu ibMdy so bRwhmxu hoeI ]1]

breham bi(n)dhae so braahaman hoee ||1||

He alone is a Brahmin, who knows God. ||1||

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Saarang on Pannaa 1197

jwiq brn kul shsw cUkw gurmiq sbid bIcwrI ]1]

jaath baran kul sehasaa chookaa guramath sabadh beechaaree ||1||

Social class and status, race, ancestry and skepticism are eliminated, following the Guru's Teachings and contemplating the Word of the Shabad. ||1||

jwiq brn kul shsw cUkw gurmiq sbid bIcwrI ]1]

jaath baran kul sehasaa chookaa guramath sabadh beechaaree ||1||

Social class and status, race, ancestry and skepticism are eliminated, following the Guru's Teachings and contemplating the Word of the Shabad. ||1||

This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Prabhaatee on Pannaa 1330

jwiq jnmu nh pUCIAY sc Gru lyhu bqwie ]

jaath janam neh pooshheeai sach ghar laehu bathaae ||

God does not ask about social class or birth; you must find your true home.

sw jwiq sw piq hY jyhy krm kmwie ]

saa jaath saa path hai jaehae karam kamaae ||

That is your social class and that is your status - the karma of what you have done.

i hope this would help, and i feel that instead d of getting down to separating n segregating ourselves on the basis caste is such a waste, i feel as per Shri guru granth sahibji there is a dichotomy on one side r the people who are blessed with His name n rest all in the second ones.

gurufateh

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] jpu ] Chant And Meditate:

Awid scu jugwid scu ] hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu ]1]

True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

Then other material form Adi Guru Granth Sahib Ji As Follow,

basant M 5 gharu 1 dutukiya

1 Oankar Satigur Prasad..Listen to (this) testomony and recite (the name) in mind with love.Ajamil was salvaged by saying ones.Valmiki had company of sadhu(truth practicisors).Without difficulty Dhrov got God..1..(i)Plead for the dust of the feet of your saints.do mercy give that it should be applyed on forehead..1..pause..Prosetetute/harlot got salvaged by saying parrot as God name Hari/narayan.God did salvation to king elephant on his remembering.Bipra sudama poverty was broken.O mind you too recite the name of God..2..Poacher,who attacked by arrow too was salvaged.By the edge of toe kubja was salvaged.Vidur was salvaged due to emotion of servitude.O my mind you to remember God..3..The respect of Prahlad was kept by self God.Modesty of Draupadi was kept while her dress was been snatched.Who so ever served God ultimately.Oh my mind serve God to be able to cross (the barrier of salvation)..4..Dhanna served with the mind of child.Meeting Guru proved the Trilochan.Guru enlightened the beni.Oh my mind you tooo be das..5..Jaidev removed ego(of brahmanism).Likewise(nai) sain was salvaged by service.Mind was unfallable,immoveable going all the places.Mind you will also be afloat/salvaged by getting refuge..6..To whom lord did mercy by self.They all were protected.The good quilty or bad quality of them no one did pondered.seeing in such manner mind went to serve..7..Kabir remebered one colouered(only existance of) God.Namdev had god living/staying with him forever.Unique/unadjectivable lord was remembered by Namdev.Guru of Nanak is in the form ofdivine keeper of senses(God ie Govind).

(1192)

(Here Guru wanted to say that inspite of false caste based various Background there were many person who reached the state of Sant by Mercy of God.But in fact Tenth Master made various castes based Backgrung persons Sant Sipahi,Saint soldiers,To a hindu this thing will sound unique)

..Malar.. You do not forget me You do not forget me.You do not forget me God(absorbed in all,invokation)..1..pause..Temple holders have illusion/mammon(that I am unworhty to enter Temple) so they are enraged on me.Sudra,Sudra called me ,beaten me and made me leave oh lord Father what should I Do..1..If you give me salvation after Death no one will know that.These Brahmins/Pandits call me lower caste,This causes adversely on your respect..2..You who is kind ,Mercyfull and with unlimited long arms.You have turned the front end(entrance) of temple towards Namdev and turned its back towards Pandits.(1292)

(here to as Namdev Ji were proven as Son of God so he was better then false Brahmins by Mercy of God).

Malar Bani Bhagat Ravidas Ji Ki

1 onkar Satiguru Prasad..(to) people of towen my caste is famous as Chamar.Heart has crux of the quality of absorbed(Ram) Gobind(Protecter of Go ie inderya or senses)..1..Pause..Liquer made of water of ganges is not devored by saint people(Proff of anti alchohal).when liquer fallls in Ganga it does not become anything else but becomes Ganges(Same way I Have become one with you).The way tarh(a sort of palm tree) is considered unpure but when it becomes considrable in from of Paper.People write things of devotion on it,it becomes worshipable,people salute it..2..My caste,Realtive still carry dead animals around Varanasi.By taking refuge to your name,head of the prest even bow to ravidas your dasa.(1293)

(Here again that in people absorbed in Falsehood still could be considering Ravidas Ji as lower born scavenger but by mercy of God enlightended persons born in Brahmin family also bowed to him.This is oppsite to rigid caste system due to mercy of God)

..malar..Those who recite God's name,Who worship God's lotus like feet,no one is equal to them.That one only is spread allover taking form of many put that one in heart..pause..In the house of whom glory of God is sung,Story of Bhagvat(lordship of Akal litererry)and nothing else is visible there,That person had caste untouchable washerman(Namdev).Glory of name told by vysa(Ved Vysa) and sanak is spread in seven continents..1..At whose place on eid and eid ul azaha cows were sloughtered and sheik peers were revered.Father use to do all such but his son did that ,that he became famous in three world as kabeer..2..Of whose family lower people still roam around kashi to pick dead animals .The prists/brahmins with mannerism salute/bow tothat slave of slaves ravidas.(1294)

(Here again there is another proof that Ravidas Ji And Kabeer Ji were not Brahmins and this is further proved by the fact that when Hindutva people made a sort of cow to depict Gurmat,They made 'lower caste' saints in its feet.That was proof enough that Brahmanical people have still such regard for those who were in fact true Brahmins due to there deeeds)

Brahmin is who understand braham(ie matter realy is nothing but manifestation of Akal.Earns the good deeds by practicesing reciting,heated or energetic worship and restraint.Keeps the faith of decency and contentment.breaks the bondage and becomes salvaged.That is the brahmin worthy of worship..16..

Kshtriya is one who is brave in deeds.(does) a good deed,By giving even self body.Recoganises the field and sows the seed(ie sees the concept/situation before doing some thing on it.).That khatri is accepted in the court of God.

(1411)

(Here Guru Ji are telling that anyone who has such attribute is Brahmin or Khatri and nothing by Birth)

(14so surqw so bYsno so igAwnI DnvMqu ] (300-12, iQqI gauVI, mÚ 5)

so surtaa so baisno so gi-aanee Dhanvant.

They are intuitively wise, and they are Vaishnaavs, worshippers of Vishnu; they are spiritually wise, wealthy and prosperous.

so sUrw kulvMqu soie ijin BijAw BgvMqu ] (300-12, iQqI gauVI, mÚ 5)

so sooraa kulvant so-ay jin bhaji-aa bhagvant.

They are spiritual heros, of noble birth, who vibrate upon the Lord God.

KqRI bRwhmxu sUdu bYsu auDrY ismir cMfwl ] (300-13, iQqI gauVI, mÚ 5)

khatree baraahman sood bais uDhrai simar chandaal.

The Kh'shatriyas, the Brahmins, the low-caste Soodras, the Vaisha workers and the outcast pariahs are all saved,

ijin jwinE pRBu Awpnw nwnk iqsih rvwl ]17] (300-13, iQqI gauVI, mÚ 5)

jin jaani-o parabh aapnaa naanak tiseh ravaal. ||17||

meditating on the Lord. Nanak is the dust of the feet of those who know his God. ||17||

(Here Mercy of God is there to prove that it is hwoer on all irrespective of birht or porfession.

SGGS 300

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Garuri Guareri M 4 Chaupadee

Pandit(is one who) reads scripture.

Yogi (is one who) Protect senses(From vices ie Gorakh) Via way of Grokhnath.

I fool read repeatedly name of God..1..

Do not know our state.

Sing glory of God oh my mind and cross afloat Sea ( Sea like complex world.)..1..Rahau..

Renouncers(of worldly life) apply ash of alter/incense on body decorating it.

Chastyful people leave others’ female folk.

I fool have hope of you ..2..

Kshatriya (is one who) do deeds(of courage/fame) gets fame.

Sudras ,Vaishyas (respectively are those who) Lobour(for) others, Earn.I fool name of God delivers..3..

All is your creation you self stay absorbed.

Says Nanak ( to) Gurmukhs(who go by saying of Guru) gives glory.

I blind/unclean placed support unto God.(85)

(This is ample proof that not by birth but by deeds Professions are made but true Sikh is even above the deeds or Actions as for Sikh all doer is Akal)

Asaa Mahal 5

If you are forgottan than all appear foes and if rembered than all serve. No other could be recounted/conceptualized oh true,Unseen and unsolved secret/with unsolved mystry..1..

If come to mind(of a person) than always mercyfull, what (common) people can think(of the person). Say to whom can as good or as Bad be called as all living beings are your..1..Pause.. Your support your foundation you give hand and protect.On whom is your mercy to the person No one says bad Or Prists does/could not say any(thing) or no one can call (the person) as preist..2.. That is happiness,That is Glory which is liked by respected lord. You wisest,Always mercyfull ,Getting your name gives pleasure..3..

In front of you is our prayer, Body,life,All is yours. Says Nanak all your glory no one knows my name..4..10..49.. (383)

(ijsu jn aUpir qyrI ikrpw iqs kau ibpu n koaU BwKY ]2] (383-9, Awsw, mÚ 5)

jis jan oopar tayree kirpaa tis ka-o bip na ko-oo bhaakhai. ||2||

That humble being, upon whom You bestow Your Grace, is not touched by slander or suffering. ||2||

)(over here there can be two meaning,One that person having mercy from Akal does not need any preacher or prist to guide as that person is ready to guide all.Else other thing is to tell that no slander touches that person).

Suhi Mahal 4 Ghar 6

Ek Oankar Satiguru Prasad.. Lower caste by saying(repeatedly) name of God got highest status. Asks Vidur son of female salve in house of whom did Krishna went and alighted..1.. Brothers people listen the unexplainable story of God by which doubt,Sorrow ,hunger,all(such) gets removed..1..Pausue..Ravidas (Who was) Taner/cobbler praised sung glory of God for (even) little. (Though considers) lower Caste became supereme and Four Varnas droped at (his) feet..2..With God Namdev got love,people called (him ) Washerman / Tailer / dyer. Defeated (so called)kshtryias and Brahmins and made Namdev Respected..3.. To all servents(and) Devotes of lord, 68 pligrime centers(Of Hindus) aplly vermilin on their forehead. If lord God bestow mercy, person Nanak will touch feets/worship such(people) all the time/with pleasue.(733)

(Here again God's mercy by example is showen to defeat stigma of caste attached to birth as it is false.)

..suhi Mahala 5.. All ritulism(on the name of faith is) Sham that appears(by them) Yama loots as tax collector. Without lust sing glory of creator ,remembering (whom for fraction of) Second delivers..1.. Oh Saints by singing glory to lord, It is posible to reach other side of sea(of mammmon).If some one follows the teaching of saints the person swims accross..1..pause..(inspite of)Millions of pilgrimage, and bathing (yet) in this evil(age)(kalyuga)

filth fulls(us).A person who sings the glory of God with saints That is done (made)/make that blotless..2..By reading Vedas,Katebs ,Samritis and all scritpture salvation is not obtained.One (Gods) word whicherver Gurmukh recites,To that glory comes/thats(soul) become pure or blotless ..3..

Khatri,Brahmin,Sud,Vaish preaching is common to all.Gurmukh recites name(of God),that is salvaged in kali,(for that says) Nanak (Akal is) in all atoms..4..3..50..

(748)

(here by saying that all four Professions are equal the ineqaulty based caste system is challenged.This means that as there is no descrimnation in giving education of highest level education and a common high status above four profession gurmukh is obtained.This is only to do for Hindus while others outside these four divisions are also been told to be Gurmukh and while by calling all mankind over here few lines are directed for four professions of hindus also.So if four become equal then caste will die how?

Well equal oppertunity to eat togather in langer(Roti) ,Equal oppertunity to marry by choice without birth or caste consideration(Beti) and to chose work of own choise(Jajmani).All three barriers of Matrimony,food and profession by birth are broken.

God Mahala 4..

As much kings,emperors,tycoons,headmen behold all myth, false and of dual idea.God destructionless,allways stable imovable that my mind sing glory( and willbe accepted..1..My mind sing glory of god always who is support.By saying of Guru,who gets Gods(knowledge),no one is biger,powerfull than that..1..pause..

As much wealthy,High family(kulwant),Property holder my mind are vivisble all will be desrtoyed as weak colour of Kusumba(seasame like thing ,a vegitable).God true, devoid of mammonAlways serve,My mind,There at place of Akal you will get respect..2..Brahmin,Khatri Sud Vaishya Four Varnas,Four Ashram,Who remebers Akal is supreme.The way while li8ving near sandal ,Arind(a sort of oil seed) tree gets fragnance so does company of good delivers fallen..3..In whose heart lives the God that person,That person is purest and that person is supereme.Nanak washes the feet of those hari Jana(mazhabi) ie people of God who were born was lower caste/Who serves the people considered lower caste..4..4..(861)

(Here birth in caste is termed useless and high level is to be given who has mercy to rember Akal).

..Bilawal..We stand one your door with humble feeling oh God.Who can think of me then you,kindly Open the door and give us your vision..1..Pause..All amount's lord are you,we have heard of your genorousity and Sacrifise and your good glory too have we herd from our ears.Poor like me should go to whom to ask for?all know that from you my spritual solace is possible..1..Jaidev,Namdev,Vipra sudama had endless mercy from you.Says kabir oh God you are capable and giver,and in donating four substances(desire,Finance,Faith and salvation) you do not take time.(856)

(Here to in front of God persons from various back ground are told to be equal and attaining high irrespective of birth or Caste).

Ek Oankar Satiguru Prasad

PkV jwqI PkVu nwau ] (83-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

fakarh jaatee fakarh naa-o.

Pride in social status is empty; pride in personal glory is useless.

sBnw jIAw iekw Cwau ] (83-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

sabhnaa jee-aa ikaa chhaa-o.

The One Lord gives shade to all beings

Useless Caste/race useless name..All Crearures(Have) one's(God's) Shadow(Protection)..

(Var Sri Rag Mahala 1,Pg 83)

jwxhu joiq n pUChu jwqI AwgY jwiq n hy ]1] rhwau ] (349-13, Awsw, mÚ 1)

jaanhu jot na poochhahu jaatee aagai jaat na hay. ||1|| rahaa-o.

Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. ||1||Pause||

Know/understand Light(of God as truth) do not ask (for) Caste/birth,Further/Front(In future in front of God) Cast (does) not exists..

Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. ||1||Pause||

(Asa Mahala 1,Page 349)AgY jwiq n joru hY AgY jIau nvy ] (469-6, Awsw, mÚ 1)

agai jaat na jor hai agai jee-o navay.

In the world hereafter, social status and power mean nothing; hereafter, the soul is new.

ijn kI lyKY piq pvY cMgy syeI kyie ]3] (469-6, Awsw, mÚ 1)

jin kee laykhai pat pavai changay say-ee kay-ay. ||3||

Those few, whose honor is confirmed, are good. ||3||

(Var asa Mahala 1 pg.469)

jwiq jnmu nh pUCIAY sc Gru lyhu bqwie ] (1330-8, pRBwqI, mÚ 1)

jaat janam nah poochhee-ai sach ghar layho bataa-ay.

God does not ask about social class or birth; you must find your true home.

sw jwiq sw piq hY jyhy krm kmwie ] (1330-8, pRBwqI, mÚ 1)

saa jaat saa pat hai jayhay karam kamaa-ay.

That is your social class and that is your status - the karma of what you have done.

(Prabhati Mahala 1 Pg 1330)<> siqgur pRswid ] (498-4)

ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

piqq pivqR lIey kir Apuny sgl krq nmskwro ] (498-5, gUjrI, mÚ 5)

patit pavitar lee-ay kar apunay sagal karat namaskaaro.

The Lord has sanctified the sinners and made them His own; all bow in reverence to Him.

brnu jwiq koaU pUCY nwhI bwCih crn rvwro ]1] (498-5, gUjrI, mÚ 5)

baran jaat ko-oo poochhai naahee baachheh charan ravaaro. ||1||

No one asks about their ancestry and social status; instead, they yearn for the dust of their feet. ||1||

Twkur AYso nwmu qum@wro ] (498-6, gUjrI, mÚ 5)

thaakur aiso naam tumHaaro.

O Lord Master, such is Your Name.

sgl isRsit ko DxI khIjY jn ko AMgu inrwro ]1] rhwau ] (498-6, gUjrI, mÚ 5)

sagal sarisat ko Dhanee kaheejai jan ko ang niraaro. ||1|| rahaa-o.

You are called the Lord of all creation; You give Your unique support to Your servant. ||1||Pause||

swDsMig nwnk buiD pweI hir kIrqnu AwDwro ] (498-7, gUjrI, mÚ 5)

saaDhsang naanak buDh paa-ee har keertan aaDhaaro.

In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, Nanak has obtained understanding; singing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises is his only support.

nwmdyau iqRlocnu kbIr dwsro mukiq BieE cMimAwro ]2]1]10] (498-7, gUjrI, mÚ 5)

naamday-o tarilochan kabeer daasro mukat bha-i-o chammi-aaro. ||2||1||10||

The Lord's servants, Naam Dayv, Trilochan, Kabeer and Ravi Daas the shoe-maker have been liberated. ||2||1||10||

gauVI kbIr jI ] (324-16)

ga-orhee kabeer jee.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee:

grB vws mih kulu nhI jwqI ] (324-16, gauVI, kbIr jI)

garabh vaas meh kul nahee jaatee.

In the dwelling of the womb, there is no ancestry or social status.

bRhm ibMdu qy sB auqpwqI ]1] (324-16, gauVI, kbIr jI)

barahm bind tay sabh utpaatee. ||1||

All have originated from the Seed of God. ||1||

khu ry pMifq bwmn kb ky hoey ] (324-17, gauVI, kbIr jI)

kaho ray pandit baaman kab kay ho-ay.

Tell me, O Pandit, O religious scholar: since when have you been a Brahmin?

bwmn kih kih jnmu mq Koey ]1] rhwau ] (324-17, gauVI, kbIr jI)

baaman kahi kahi janam mat kho-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.

Don't waste your life by continually claiming to be a Brahmin. ||1||Pause||

jO qUM bRwhmxu bRhmxI jwieAw ] (324-18, gauVI, kbIr jI)

jou tooN baraahman barahmanee jaa-i-aa.

If you are indeed a Brahmin, born of a Brahmin mother,

qau Awn bwt kwhy nhI AwieAw ]2] (324-18, gauVI, kbIr jI)

ta-o aan baat kaahay nahee aa-i-aa. ||2||

then why didn't you come by some other way? ||2||

qum kq bRwhmx hm kq sUd ] (324-18, gauVI, kbIr jI)

tum kat baraahman ham kat sood.

How is it that you are a Brahmin, and I am of a low social status?

hm kq lohU qum kq dUD ]3] (324-19, gauVI, kbIr jI)

ham kat lohoo tum kat dooDh. ||3||

How is it that I am formed of blood, and you are made of milk? ||3||

khu kbIr jo bRhmu bIcwrY ] (324-19, gauVI, kbIr jI)

kaho kabeer jo barahm beechaarai.

Says Kabeer, one who contemplates God,

so bRwhmxu khIAqu hY hmwrY ]4]7] (324-19, gauVI, kbIr jI)

so baraahman kahee-at hai hamaarai. ||4||7||

is said to be a Brahmin among us. ||4||7||

kbIr bwmnu gurU hY jgq kw Bgqn kw guru nwih ] (1377-7, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeer baaman guroo hai jagat kaa bhagtan kaa gur naahi.

Kabeer, the Brahmin may be the guru of the world, but he is not the Guru of the devotees.

AriJ auriJ kY pic mUAw cwrau bydhu mwih ]237] (1377-7, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

arajh urajh kai pach moo-aa chaara-o baydahu maahi. ||237||

He rots and dies in the perplexities of the four Vedas. ||237||

slok mhlw 3 (1413-1)

salok mehlaa 3

Shalok, Third Mehl:

<> siqgur pRswid ] (1413-1)

ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

AiBAwgq eyh n AwKIAih ijn kY mn mih Brmu ] (1413-2, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

abhi-aagat ayh na aakhee-ahi jin kai man meh bharam.

Do not call the wandering beggars holy men, if their minds are filled with doubt.

iqn ky idqy nwnkw qyho jyhw Drmu ]1] (1413-2, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

tin kay ditay naankaa tayho jayhaa Dharam. ||1||

Whoever gives to them, O Nanak, earns the same sort of merit. ||1||

ABY inrMjn prm pdu qw kw BIKku hoie ] (1413-3, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

abhai niranjan param pad taa kaa bheekhak ho-ay.

One who begs for the supreme status of the Fearless and Immaculate Lord

iqs kw Bojnu nwnkw ivrlw pwey koie ]2] (1413-3, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

tis kaa bhojan naankaa virlaa paa-ay ko-ay. ||2||

- how rare are those who have the opportunity, O Nanak, to give food to such a person. ||2||

hovw pMifqu joqkI vyd pVw muiK cwir ] (1413-3, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

hovaa pandit jotkee vayd parhaa mukh chaar.

If I were a religious scholar, an astrologer, or one who could recite the four Vedas,

nvw KMfw ivic jwxIAw Apny cj vIcwr ]3] (1413-4, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

navaa khanda vich jaanee-aa apnay chaj veechaar. ||3||

I could be famous throughout the nine regions of the earth, for my wisdom and thoughtful contemplation. ||3||

bRhmx kYlI Gwqu kMkw AxcwrI kw Dwnu ] (1413-4, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

barahman kailee ghaat kanjkaa anchaaree kaa Dhaan.

If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person,

iPtk iPtkw koVu bdIAw sdw sdw AiBmwnu ] (1413-5, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

fitak fitkaa korh badee-aa sadaa sadaa abhimaan.

he is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride.

pwih eyqy jwih vIsir nwnkw ieku nwmu ] (1413-5, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

paahi aytay jaahi veesar naankaa ik naam.

One who forgets the Naam, O Nanak, is covered by countless sins.

sB buDI jwlIAih ieku rhY qqu igAwnu ]4] (1413-6, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

sabh buDhee jaalee-ah ik rahai tat gi-aan. ||4||

Let all wisdom be burnt away, except for the essence of spiritual wisdom. ||4||

mwQY jo Duir iliKAw su myit n skY koie ] (1413-6, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

maathai jo Dhur likhi-aa so mayt na sakai ko-ay.

No one can erase that primal destiny written upon one's forehead.

nwnk jo iliKAw so vrqdw so bUJY ijs no ndir hoie ]5] (1413-7, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

naanak jo likhi-aa so varatdaa so boojhai jis no nadar ho-ay. ||5||

O Nanak, whatever is written there, comes to pass. He alone understands, who is blessed by God's Grace. ||5||

ijnI nwmu ivswirAw kUVY lwlic lig ] (1413-7, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

jinee naam visaari-aa koorhai laalach lag.

Those who forget the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and become attached to greed and fraud,

DMDw mwieAw mohxI AMqir iqsnw Aig ] (1413-8, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

DhanDhaa maa-i-aa mohnee antar tisnaa ag.

are engrossed in the entanglements of Maya the enticer, with the fire of desire within them.

ijn@w vyil n qUMbVI mwieAw Tgy Tig ] (1413-8, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

jinHaa vayl na toombrhee maa-i-aa thagay thag.

Those who, like the pumpkin vine, are too stubborn climb the trellis, are cheated by Maya the cheater.

mnmuiK bMin@ clweIAih nw imlhI vig sig ] (1413-9, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

manmukh baneh chalaa-ee-ah naa milhee vag sag.

The self-willed manmukhs are bound and gagged and led away; the dogs do not join the herd of cows.

Awip Bulwey BulIAY Awpy myil imlwie ] (1413-9, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

aap bhulaa-ay bhulee-ai aapay mayl milaa-ay.

The Lord Himself misleads the misguided ones, and He Himself unites them in His Union.

nwnk gurmuiK CutIAY jy clY siqgur Bwie ]6] (1413-10, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

naanak gurmukh chhutee-ai jay chalai satgur bhaa-ay. ||6||

O Nanak, the Gurmukhs are saved; they walk in harmony with the Will of the True Guru. ||6||

swlwhI swlwhxw BI scw swlwih ] (1413-10, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

saalaahee salaahnaa bhee sachaa saalaahi.

I praise the Praiseworthy Lord, and sing the Praises of the True Lord.

nwnk scw eyku dru bIBw prhir Awih ]7] (1413-11, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

naanak sachaa ayk dar beebhaa parhar aahi. ||7||

O Nanak, the One Lord alone is True; stay away from all other doors. ||7||

nwnk jh jh mY iPrau qh qh swcw soie ] (1413-11, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

naanak jah jah mai fira-o tah tah saachaa so-ay.

O Nanak, wherever I go, I find the True Lord.

jh dyKw qh eyku hY gurmuiK prgtu hoie ]8] (1413-12, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

jah daykhaa tah ayk hai gurmukh pargat ho-ay. ||8||

Wherever I look, I see the One Lord. He reveals Himself to the Gurmukh. ||8||

dUK ivswrxu sbdu hY jy mMin vswey koie ] (1413-12, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

dookh visaaran sabad hai jay man vasaa-ay ko-ay.

The Word of the Shabad is the Dispeller of sorrow, if one enshrines it in the mind.

gur ikrpw qy min vsY krm prwpiq hoie ]9] (1413-13, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

gur kirpaa tay man vasai karam paraapat ho-ay. ||9||

By Guru's Grace, it dwells in the mind; by God's Mercy, it is obtained. ||9||

nwnk hau hau krqy Kip muey KUhix lK AsMK ] (1413-13, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

naanak ha-o ha-o kartay khap mu-ay khoohan lakh asaNkh.

O Nanak, acting in egotism, countless thousands have wasted away to death.

siqgur imly su aubry swcY sbid AlµK ]10] (1413-14, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

satgur milay so ubray saachai sabad alankh. ||10||

Those who meet with the True Guru are saved, through the Shabad, the True Word of the Inscrutable Lord. ||10||

ijnw siqguru iek min syivAw iqn jn lwgau pwie ] (1413-14, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

jinaa satgur ik man sayvi-aa tin jan laaga-o paa-ay.

Those who serve the True Guru single-mindedly - I fall at the feet of those humble beings.

gur sbdI hir min vsY mwieAw kI BuK jwie ] (1413-15, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

gur sabdee har man vasai maa-i-aa kee bhukh jaa-ay.

Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, the Lord abides in the mind, and the hunger for Maya departs.

sy jn inrml aUjly ij gurmuiK nwim smwie ] (1413-15, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

say jan nirmal oojlay je gurmukh naam samaa-ay.

Immaculate and pure are those humble beings, who, as Gurmukh, merge in the Naam.

nwnk hoir piqswhIAw kUVIAw nwim rqy pwiqswh ]11] (1413-16, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

naanak hor patisaahee-aa koorhee-aa naam ratay paatisaah. ||11||

O Nanak, other empires are false; they alone are true emperors, who are imbued with the Naam. ||11||

ijau purKY Gir BgqI nwir hY Aiq locY BgqI Bwie ] (1413-16, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

ji-o purkhai ghar bhagtee naar hai at lochai bhagtee bhaa-ay.

The devoted wife in her husband's home has a great longing to perform loving devotional service to him;

bhu rs swlxy svwrdI Kt rs mITy pwie ] (1413-17, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

baho ras saalnay savaardee khat ras meethay paa-ay.

she prepares and offers to him all sorts of sweet delicacies and dishes of all flavors.

iqau bwxI Bgq slwhdy hir nwmY icqu lwie ] (1413-17, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

ti-o banee bhagat salaahday har naamai chit laa-ay.

In the same way, the devotees praise the Word of the Guru's Bani, and focus their consciousness on the Lord's Name.

mnu qnu Dnu AwgY rwiKAw isru vyicAw gur AwgY jwie ] (1413-18, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

man tan Dhan aagai raakhi-aa sir vaychi-aa gur aagai jaa-ay.

They place mind, body and wealth in offering before the Guru, and sell their heads to Him.

BY BgqI Bgq bhu locdy pRB locw pUir imlwie ] (1413-18, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3)

bhai bhagtee bhagat baho lochday parabh lochaa poor milaa-ay.

In the Fear of God, His devotees yearn for His devotional worship; God fulfills their desires, and merges them with Himself.

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kbIr bYsno hUAw q ikAw BieAw mwlw mylIN cwir ] (1372-5, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeer baisno hoo-aa ta ki-aa bha-i-aa maalaa mayleeN chaar.

Kabeer, what good is it to become a devotee of Vishnu, and wear four malas?

bwhir kMcnu bwrhw BIqir BrI BMgwr ]145] (1372-5, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

baahar kanchan baarhaa bheetar bharee bhangaar. ||145||

On the outside, he may look like pure gold, but on the inside, he is stuffed with dust. ||145||

kbIr roVw hoie rhu bwt kw qij mn kw AiBmwnu ] (1372-6, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeer rorhaa ho-ay rahu baat kaa taj man kaa abhimaan.

Kabeer, let yourself be a pebble on the path; abandon your egotistical pride.

AYsw koeI dwsu hoie qwih imlY Bgvwnu ]146] (1372-6, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

aisaa ko-ee daas ho-ay taahi milai bhagvaan. ||146||

Such a humble slave shall meet the Lord God. ||146||

kbIr roVw hUAw q ikAw BieAw pMQI kau duKu dyie ] (1372-7, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeer rorhaa hoo-aa ta ki-aa bha-i-aa panthee ka-o dukh day-ay.

Kabeer, what good would it be, to be a pebble? It would only hurt the traveller on the path.

AYsw qyrw dwsu hY ijau DrnI mih Kyh ]147] (1372-7, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

aisaa tayraa daas hai ji-o Dharnee meh khayh. ||147||

Your slave, O Lord, is like the dust of the earth. ||147||

kbIr Kyh hUeI qau ikAw BieAw jau auif lwgY AMg ] (1372-8, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeer khayh hoo-ee ta-o ki-aa bha-i-aa ja-o ud laagai ang.

Kabeer, what then, if one could become dust? It is blown up by the wind, and sticks to the body.

hir jnu AYsw cwhIAY ijau pwnI srbMg ]148] (1372-8, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

har jan aisaa chaahee-ai ji-o paanee sarbang. ||148||

The humble servant of the Lord should be like water, which cleans everything. ||148||

kbIr pwnI hUAw q ikAw BieAw sIrw qwqw hoie ] (1372-9, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeer paanee hoo-aa ta ki-aa bha-i-aa seeraa taataa ho-ay.

Kabeer, what then, if one could become water? It becomes cold, then hot.

hir jnu AYsw cwhIAY jYsw hir hI hoie ]149] (1372-9, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)

har jan aisaa chaahee-ai jaisaa har hee ho-ay. ||149||

The humble servant of the Lord should be just like the Lord. ||149||

(Das is giving this Sabad to prove one point.This in fact is the Philosophy which das heard on radio given by Sant Singh Ji Maskeen on one of the Prakash Guru Parb of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.He said like God is Casteless(Ajaat) and Regionless(Adesh) so do God's follwer must be.The way God is beyong such worldly barrier helping all so should a Sikh be not considering the caste or faith or Area of Human)Birth place Kesgarh during Amrit Sanchar only is something which is mark of libartion of regional bariier.Mother Mata Sahib Kaur and Father Guru Gobind Singh Ji librate from racial bariier so he have Kul Nash end of caste before conversion).

Var Bhai Gurdas

Var 1,

Pauri 23(Guru Avtar)

line 4th,made four Varna as single varna.

Var 8 describes objectively but does not endrose.

Var 11

Pauri 4(gurmukh)

line 6th

One(Akal) is belived one (Akal) is worshipped and in decisiveness and

Duja Bhao is removed( by Gursikhs)

Note Duja Bhao(or dawait Bhav is considering existing of any other(Second) thing in world (other than Akal)

Pauri 7

line one

The way many colours meet and make one red colouer in beattle(Pan) so by meeting of Four Varnas(Colouer or Jati) one Varna(Creed of Sikhs) is made.

Pauri 10 and 11 have crux at the last line of pauri

Guru becomes Chela and chela becomes Guru ie Guide becomes deciple and vice versa.

from 13 to 31 Pauris details with or without gotras are given.

Var 23 Pauri 19

line one

Four Varnas made one varna,With Sadh sang Varan(high caste) is equal to lower caste(avaran).

Var 24 pauri 4

Line 4,

four caste became one caste,With Sadh sang Salvation/aflaoting is done.

Var 26 Pauri 27

Gursikhan da vansh ie Dynasty or family of Gursikhs

Second last line

Dynasty of Gursikhs is Param Hans(the great swan ie Brahm Gyani) and Satguru is considered as Lake of Sahaj Bhav.

VAR 35

Pauri 18

Leaves of Pan becomes green ,yellow once detached from creeper.

suparis become black and white while getting detached from tree.

Kattha is of light brown and light and added only a bit.

Limestone appears white,Which is burnt and thrashed.

They all lose thier colouer and become red.

likewise In Four Varnas we have sadhus who become amalgamated into Gurmukh(no indevidual caste is left)..18..

Var 3 Pauri 16

Oneness in Four Varnas

Var 25 Pauri 5

(bhagat(Devotes) have no caste)

Vibhishan was from Demons,Vidur was son of slave who came to refuge( of akal).

Dhanna was Jatt,Caste of Sahdna was lower ie butcher.

Kabeer was weaver,namdev a Washer man sung glory of God.

family of Ravidas is of tanner and Sain's caste was barber.

koel is reared by female crow but at last goes to meet in self family.

Yashoda brought Up krishna but ultimately was called lotus of the family of Vasudeva.

A vessle full of butter oil is never bad so Devotees are not upper or lower caste.

As they are in the refuge of loutus like feets of Gurudev..5..

Akal Sahai

(From Dasham Granth Ji)

Some one become all shaver(Satnami),acetic/renouncer(Sanysi) Some one Yogi(union doer)some one Brhamchari(calibasic) some is yati(living without mammon/or matterials) supposed.Hindu(indian) Turk(Central Asian),Rafzi(Shia)Imama Safi(Sunni) Behold the human race as one(Akal).That is Creater/doer kindfull,Employment giver mercyfull is That(Akal) there is no secret/mystry in it and by forgetting even no other illusion to this 'secret' is to be belived.One(Akal) is to be served(as by serving human race we serve Akal),One is Gurdev of All,One is form and behold all as one light..15..85..That(Akal) is temple (and) Mosque,That(Akal) is puja(of hindus) and neemaj(Salat of muslim)All human are one(Akal) on it there is an illusion of many.Angel,Anti Angel,Yakhsha(angels of wealth also refer to Shri Lankan before the coming of Singhals from noth India),Gandhrab(Angels of Art/Dance,Also refered to people from Gandhar(Area between Pakistan and Afghanistan) Turks ,Hindu are differnt(in appearences,This is proved by gentics and anthropology too that environment of a place moulds the person as per that place) due to the attire of different countries.One(Akal)/similar eye,Similar/ ear, one/ body,one/ voice capaecity,(it is) mixture of dust,air,water and fire.Allah(Al Illah ie the God in Islam), without attire(abhekh or Veshateet in Sanatan Dhrama)that (Akal) is,That is Kuran and Puran one is form,One is creator..16..86..(19)

Ek Oankar Shri Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh..

Shri Mukhwak Patshahi 10..

..swayye..What soever desteny writer(Akal) write(destains) that is Got Mishar Ji leave sorrow.My fault is nothing,It was forgottan(to feed you first) from memory,do not be angery.Be carefree,Today only I will send cushion ,quilt etc. for you.Khatri does all work for Viprs(benefit)/made Khatris out of all Vipras see them with mercy..1..One the war with thier giving,do donation by thier giving.By thier giving gruops of sins are destroyed,By thier giving only again homes were filled.By thier giving education was taken,By thier mercy all foes dyed.by thier mercy we/I am beautified else millions of poors like me exists..2..

Service done by/of them is liked,service by/of other is not liked by heart.Donation given by them is good and donations by other is not liked as good.

Thier donation in future will bear fruit,to others fame will/is faded .my house,my mind from my head to my wealth all is of thier..3..Dohara..the way small wooden particles(trinn or Tinkas) make a sound(Chat pat) while being burnt they way mishar ji becamne angery. becoming ready to be busy In the search of emplyement,Mishar Ji cryed.(716)

Page 56 of Vachitra natak also says that beliver in caste will never get salvation.Triya Charitar 266 pulls legs of Brahmin who is exploiting others.

It can be seen in pg 75 of Dasham Granth from Gobindsadan.org.

Those who have daoubt on Caste/birth.They do not leave love with God.

They get Salvation,There is no differance between them and God.

Those people who are afaraid of birth/castes(System).Leaves God and goes after them(Has faith in them)..They go into lake of hell(ie) Again and Again are born.

SarbLoh Granth Ji

Volume one ,chapter 1,Pad(verse 47 to 49)

Kanak Dohra

Jat Jat Rachana bhai,Sabh Mahi App Khilant..

Uch Neech mahi aap Rahi,Birla Koi Bujhant..47..

Birth Created caste,(but) In all (God)Self Plays..

(this means birth based caste is false as one God is in all so no difference must be made on birth)

In higher and lower(castes),God Self remains,Only a few deciper..

(so all are one only choosen few could understand)

Rao Rank Praja Bhai,Gram Nagar Sabh Des..

Bhop,Chhatrapati,Tejbar,Sure,jodh,Nares..48..

General,Poor,subjects occuerd/(were)Created,Village,Towens and all countries..

Landlord,Coronated,Glourious,Couragious,Fighter and Kings(all God took form)..

Khatri,Bahman,Sud,Vais,Char Baran/h Ki Khan..

Maya,Supan,Sukhopati,Punya, Daan,Isnan..49..

Kshterya,Brahmans,Shudra,Vaishyas,The mine/souorce of four Varna..(in real all are born out of God so God is source then how can Caste be based on Birth if all are born out of one Parent ie God)(this give the clue to Rig Vedic verse that all Varnas or professions were born out of one Father ie God so all have one caste and that is Caste of God.In fact somewhere in Sarbloh Granth Das also read that God is termed a Jati or/And Varna ie Caste or/And profession ,it is true as without God all are false).

Mammon,dreams,Good sleep,Chasty,Service and Cleaniness..(all are God)

Bhag 3

Adhyaya 5th

Pad 862

Khalsa Mero Mitre Sakhai..Khalsa Mat Pita Sukhdai..

Khalsa is my friend,Buddy..Khalsa is comferting mother and Father..

Khalsa Meri Sobha Seel.. Khalsa Bandh Sakha sad deel..

Khalsa is my fame and respect..Khalsa is Brthren,comrade,Good Physical extent..

Khalsa Mero Swajan Parwar..Khalsa Mero Karat Udhar..

Khalsa is my own people(own) Family..Khalsa does my Salvation..

Khalsa Mero Pind Paran..Khalsa Meri Jaan Ki Jaan..

Khalsa is my body and life..Khalsa is life of my life..

Khalsa Mero Kar Nirbah..Khalsa Mera/i Deh Aru Sah..

Khalsa does my livilihood(purpose of life)..Khalsa is my body and breath..

Khalsa Mero Satguru Pura..Khalsa Mero Swajjan Sura..

Khalsa is my complete true Guru.. Khalsa is my own people,Couragious..

Hau Khalas kau,Khalsa Mero..

I am of Khalsa,Khalsa is mine..

Oat Poat Saga® Bundero..

One in the way of Sea and drop

Pad 863

Mitra Kutumb Dhan bhavan Mam,

Samridh Kripa Kar Tasa..

Friend Family wealth,mansion of me,

Well to do (due to ) mercy of Hand of them(Khalsa)

no diference between Me,God And Khalsa .

So by all this when we say that we are one faimly and our Father is Guru Gobind singh Ji,Mother Mata Sahib Kaur Ji(As per nihungs of Gurudwara Mata Sahib Kaur,Nadeed,Guru Gave mata a Child ,who will survive till world lasts).birth place KesGrah Sahib.

As son Khalsa was born in Kegarh Sahib. The five baptised one became Guru of Gurus by Baptising him after getting baptism. Thats why Gurudev call us his family,his Satguru.

In Dasham Granth Also Chaupyee sahib is like the verse of Japuji Sahib,Ayee Panthi Sagal Jamatee Man Jete Jag Jeet.With coming in of Panth(Sikhism) all(worlds citizens) are family member,One who wins the mind(of descrimination),Wins the world(as whole world belongs to him/her).

so choupayee sahib say

Sukhi Basai mero Parivara,(Let my family stay happyly)

Sevak Sikh Sabhai Kartar,(Serving Sikhs and all(world) oh lord).

so as Japu Ji Sahib say

Jis Hatth Jorh Kar Vekhe Soi Nanak Uttam Neech Na Koi.

So who has the power in hand(control),that (actually ) does and create Says Nanak no one is best (or) lower.

As Sikhism belives that all have God in them so no one is unequal even by birth or even by deeds.

As Gurmat wants the reform of evil doer like bhai Vidhichand.Or there are reference about Lord Valmiki who is refered as incarnation of lord Brahma in Dasham Granth Ji. So that person considerded as lower or burgler by other is respected in us.The so call people ,Who claim to be form the family of valmiki must understand that whole world is the family of Shri Valmiki Bhagwan Sahib.

If they become Sikh,then will be they actually becoming the family member of Sants,the family of Valmiki Ji.People often say like jains and arya Samajis while making fun of das,does your God is in shoe you wear,is the God in Excreta or spotum.

Das loughs at the level of mind of them.As they are bounded by Kaliyuga so when ever the glory of God be sung,Kali will take there mind in such things which take them awat from God.Same could be said to the missionarries belving in Satan as they too ask is God in Satan.

Shoe yes God Protects your feet as a shoe.If you bow to the shoe of Greatmen,you get salvation from its dust.

spootam,Yes god in this form remove impurties of body and protect body from toxins.If you serve an ailing and remove spootum,that service is salvation.

Stool,Lkie spootum it thus purfies you. It rather becomes your source of energy and enlighten your whom after becoming Gas or electricity.The same becomes your food if it goes in to pig or as a manure in a plant of wheat.

Satan yes there too,no one can remove God from Throne.Lucifer did wrong because Jehova wanted him to try,his mind and bad intention were made by no one else but yehova. If evil is not there,Death is due to evil if it was not there jesus did not come.so to have value of good evil or Satan is still not destroyed.

Iblis too was not forced to bow to Adem and made to misguied Sons of Adem so that Faithfull to Allah find place higher then non Belivers so God is in all.

Sat Shri Akal.

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Gurfateh

First about Amrit and uniting of Four Varnas issue.

Well it is coorect that Guru did break caste even in deeds doing manner by the fact that if we see Swami Ramterth Dandi Sanyasi book on Sikh Panth and Brhamin Dharam.there he qoutes a line from a book about Castre by some Saint(who is Santan Dharmi but not Sikh).

And there we have thing like unting of Varnas ie having qultiy of all the Varnas at least some in one person only.ie uniting four Varnas into one.

But yes due to caste system(not Varna but Jati) which was a product of misinterpetation of old scriptures racial ism crept in and Guru did broke it and Amrit to due to that only.

So intial Varnas were four professions but later they assumded caste or race and no one can transmigrate from one to another nor a person can have two Varnas at the same time.

Then see Ang 1161 for Baba Adam.

then this post from allaboout sikhim das took from some poster at Gursikhijeevan.com and thense brought from there and perhaps mentioned this also.

My personal belief based on my own research of talking to people and reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is that - ONE GOD, ONE GURU ONE PANTH, ONE SIKH..etc.. Ultimately we merge into the ONE God. Would you say this is right or wrong?

It is right.One ie Akal is God,Guru,Panth and Sikh and everything.

Then why do we have different factions or groups, whatever you want to call them, stating that there are 4 orders in Sikhism? Why would Guru Ji call upon people to unite them, only to break them again?

I believe I am refering to my brothers and sisters who call themselves Snatan Sikhs and the 4 orders of Sikhism. Nihung, Nirmale, Udasi and Seva panthi?

Anyway das is also from Sanatan side only.

Well in us a person can be Nirmala and Nihung or say Sevapanthi and Nirmala at the same time.

Likewise Nirmalas can learn fight also.And Nihungs can be scholar also.Son of Nihung can be Nirmala.Nihung can be converted into Udasi also.We must not forget Taksalis also.

So a person can be Taksali and Nihung also.

So in us there is something call minimun qulifiaction of being a Sikh and then some specialisation but due to mercy of Akal and not based upon birth.And good lot of flexiblility to join and to leave based upon mercy of Akal and free mind as result.No rigidity.

So they are not sect.Like in Army we have logisitc corps(We have SevaPanthi),Education corps(Taksalis),Public Realtions(Nirmalas),Intelligence(Udasis) Last one may have medical corps also but Nirmalas and Sevpanthis may have the same thing.

main infantray and cavilary is of Panth of Singhs who are Guru Panth.A Rank higher is of Nihung and highest is to be Akali.

All based upon qulifiactions and conduct and not by birth.

So not the sects but parts of the body doing special services.Forgive das for anything wrong but yes there has been many adultrations being done in orders as done in main body but we have to clean it and cure it instead of amptitution of body part.

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Please continue with this debate in a decent way.

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Vijaydeep Singh

I didn't get time to post other parts of "Khalsa commonwealth" article written by Prof Puran Singh Ji. It will be an eye opener for young Sikhs as it covers why Sikhism couldn't flourish the way it should have and reason is simple, that our preachers added their own personal flavour to it.

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But in Sikhism,Frankly speaking all such stuff is ended.hindus are requested that instead of changing thier books of interpolated verses,you can simple use our books as it does not have any such verses.And interpetations of such verses of hindus books can have true meaning if hindus understand our holy book clearly by a Sikh schoolar.

Now here you have given the wrong image. I failed to understand this that if we consider Gurbani revealed by God to Bhagats and Sikh Gurus himself then how can we claim Gurbani as our? Sikhism takes universal approach so let's not restrict it to "our" horizon and make it very limited.

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Gurfateh

Das respect the views of unbreakable Singh Ji.

And then coming to adimn Sahib's issuesed being raised.

Here in the statement what das wanted to convey was that if we trey to interpret in light of Gurbani,there could be mnay things in old Sanatan Dharmi or say hindu scriptures which will be clarifed now say after thousends of year of thier coming.

Das did mentioned true Clarifiaction of Purush Sutra of holy Veda being done in better way say in Sarbloh Granth.

Das can even say that not only so called Hindu scriptures but Holy Bible and Holy Veda can be interperted in more clearer way if we use standard of Gurbani over there.Ie Gurmat Kasuati.

As per das Gurus were sent not to destroy any faith but to complment the existing faiths and Gurmat is the ultimate faith.

Again das repeats that there is no need to edit scriputre say like Manusamriti even.By Bani of Guru Granth Sahib Ji,s help we can get the more clearer meanings of the same.

Like say if something is writtan in thier for Sudra it may not meand race but person with some low qultieis and by symbolism may be Sudrs in mind is told to be ended there.

Das is soory for using term 'ours' but the thing his that had the people who are trying to change the scriptures like Manusamriti had beheld Gurbani as thier also then they would not have acted in fear.

anyway das is soory and it is true that Gurbani is universal and forgive das for that.

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