The origin of man

[Rajs]

Hi,

God made Adam from the dust of the ground and made him a living soul, says the Bible.

The Guru Granth (page 1161 - line 7) refers to Adam, as the†father of mankind.†Does it mean Sikhism accepts biblical view on the origin of man?

If so, then the perceived Sikhism concept of reincarnation, taken from Hinduism, with eventual freedom of the soul from cycle of re-births through Guru’s enlightenment is baseless.

If Sikhism rejects the biblical origin of man, then in what context, is Adam the father of mankind, as stated in the Guru Granth?

Regards

Rajs

[commander]

The Guru Granth (page 1161 - line 7) refers to Adam, as the†father of mankind.â€

Actually, I think the verse simply says that Waheguru bestowed his grace on Baba Adam and does not refer to him as the "father of mankind" (whatever that means).

Does it mean Sikhism accepts biblical view on the origin of man?

No.

If Sikhism rejects the biblical origin of man, then in what context, is Adam the father of mankind, as stated in the Guru Granth?

I do not believe Shri Guru Granth Sahib discusses the biblical origin of man.

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

dear Baba Ji,

worm like das is happy to know that at last you are not interested with jatts and Khatris but with human kind.

Yehowa Bless you.

How can you gurantee that omnipotant God of holy Bible is bounded by any law of Natrrue created by the Same that God can not let soul be reincarnated.

If God is bounded by something then that can not be omnipotant God rather thaqt can not be God at all.

Sikhism is a semtic faith.So Hazrat Adam hale Sallah are termed as Baba or Father.

but by will of our God Adam,Jesus or anyone else can be reborn or reincarnated.

If by chiristian faith itself we creamted or bury with notin from soil back to soil then this means that again during doomsday same body may not be there but reincarnation.

In Gospels Jesus tells of someone laready going to heavan.

That does means that htere is some heavan already before dooms day but body remains here on earth.In heavan there could be some opther body.

then just see the line before the line you qoute and why did you miss it.

caurwsI lK iPrY idvwnW ] (1161-7, BYrau, mÚ 5)

cha-uraasee lakh firai divaanaaN.

His beings wander insanely through 8.4 million incarnations.

bwbw Awdm kau ikCu ndir idKweI ] (1161-7, BYrau, mÚ 5)

baabaa aadam ka-o kichh nadar dikhaa-ee.

He bestowed His Grace on Adam, the father of mankind,

So our Baba Adam can be reincarnated.

[amardeep]

the "father of mankind" is a comment by the translater..it is not written in the real Bani..

i got confused also when i read it..

[Pheena]

I doubt that you are going to be able to accept this interpetation of Adam and Eve, but I am hopeful that you are able to grasp it.

"The Adam and Eve story is incomprehensible to me!" I observed with considerable heat one day in my early struggles with the allegory. "Why did God punish not only the guilty pair, but also the innocent unborn generations?"

Master was more amused by my vehemence than my ignorance. "Genesis is deeply symbolic, and cannot be grasped by a literal interpretation," he explained. "Its 'tree of life' is the human body. The spinal cord is like an upturned tree, with man's hair as its roots, and afferent and efferent nerves as branches. The tree of the nervous system bears many enjoyable fruits, or sensations of sight, sound, smell, taste, and touch. In these, man may rightfully indulge; but he was forbidden the experience of sex, the 'apple' at the center of the bodily garden.14

"The 'serpent' represents the coiled-up spinal energy which stimulates the sex nerves. 'Adam' is reason, and 'Eve' is feeling. When the emotion or Eve-consciousness in any human being is overpowered by the sex impulse, his reason or Adam also succumbs.15

"God created the human species by materializing the bodies of man and woman through the force of His will; He endowed the new species with the power to create children in a similar 'immaculate' or divine manner.16 Because His manifestation in the individualized soul had hitherto been limited to animals, instinct-bound and lacking the potentialities of full reason, God made the first human bodies, symbolically called Adam and Eve. To these, for advantageous upward evolution, He transferred the souls or divine essence of two animals. 17 In Adam or man, reason predominated; in Eve or woman, feeling was ascendant. Thus was expressed the duality or polarity which underlies the phenomenal worlds. Reason and feeling remain in a heaven of cooperative joy so long as the human mind is not tricked by the serpentine energy of animal propensities.

"The human body was therefore not solely a result of evolution from beasts, but was produced by an act of special creation by God. The animal forms were too crude to express full divinity; the human being was uniquely given a tremendous mental capacity—the 'thousand-petaled lotus' of the brain—as well as acutely awakened occult centers in the spine.

"God, or the Divine Consciousness present within the first created pair, counseled them to enjoy all human sensibilities, but not to put their concentration on touch sensations.18 These were banned in order to avoid the development of the sex organs, which would enmesh humanity in the inferior animal method of propagation. The warning not to revive subconsciously-present bestial memories was not heeded. Resuming the way of brute procreation, Adam and Eve fell from the state of heavenly joy natural to the original perfect man.

"Knowledge of 'good and evil' refers to the cosmic dualistic compulsion. Falling under the sway of maya through misuse of his feeling and reason, or Eve—and Adam—consciousness, man relinquishes his right to enter the heavenly garden of divine self-sufficiency. 19 The personal responsibility of every human being is to restore his 'parents' or dual nature to a unified harmony or Eden."

As Sri Yukteswar ended his discourse, I glanced with new respect at the pages of Genesis.

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14 "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."-Genesis 3:2-3.

15 "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. The woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."-Gen. 3:12-13.

16 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it."-Gen. 1:27-28.

17 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."-Gen. 2:7.

18 "Now the serpent (sex force) was more subtil than any beast of the field" (any other sense of the body).-Gen. 3:1.

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19 "And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."-Gen. 2:8. "Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken."-Gen. 3:23. The divine man first made by God had his consciousness centered in the omnipotent single eye in the forehead (eastward). The all-creative powers of his will, focused at that spot, were lost to man when he began to "till the ground" of his physical nature.

Source: The Autobiography of a Yogi Chapter 17.

[Pheena]

According the Fridakot Teeka, Baba Adaam is refered to as Shiv ji

[akaali]

id like to hear what tSingh and javanmard think

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

As per Bhai Bala Janam Sakhi ,Adaam is Shivji,Narad is Satan etc. but that could be an attempt to unit Hindus and Muslims by Hindalis.

[Mehtab Singh]

Sikhism is a semtic faith.

I thought Semitic faiths were the ones like Judaism, Christianity and Islam that began in the Middle East.

[unbreakable]

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[Guest]

II have read the discussions carefully and have come to the following position:

The Sikh wants to hold to the unique position of Nanak as the originator of all ides.

Sikhs and others should read Prof. Sher Singh,'Bibble and the Sikh scriptures'.

That Nanak was influenced by Christian missionaries on his journeys to Middle East and South Indis, including Lanka.

That the Bible is unique and attributed to Holy Spirit, the Prophets and Jesus and is the word of Yahwe.

Granth on the other hand borrows heavily from Hinsuism and Muslim fakirs. Or saints.

The verses that are' inspired' can be traced back to Bible. Including the opening verses of Japuji Sahib.

Nanak never started to start a new religion, he never said that. It happened over time as is the Indian tradition.

In India religion evolves everyday and even Islam evolved into Sifism.

No harm in adopting from the word of God, the Bible. One should be proud of it.

 

[ramgharia]

if we see what human paleontology says that our origin is not that god thought and made two humans adam and eve. evolution of human says that  today's structure is a result of millions of year evolution and we can't deny that like Islam  deny. Sikhism is religion which is scientific and follow science. Sikhism believes in theory of evolution. not in what bible says that adam was the firt man. what i personally think is that we are a product of a long long evolution. 

[Lucky]

We need to look at the whole shabad on ang1161 to see where and why "adam" fits in the message, whilst also remembering that Adam is considered the first highly respected muslim prophet on earth.