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The 'Specialist'. I am pleased to say, after many wasted years, has left this 'trade' for good, and with Akaal Purkhs grace, taken Sache Patshah Guru Gobind Singh Jis Khande de Pahul.

He is now leading a productive and fulfulling Gursikh life , working in a professional capacity and doing excellent seva for Sikh youth. He is using his musical talent to learn Guru's pavitar kirtan - an excellent role model.

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Oh no, I read the page before this, so I guess just "bhangra" dancing is manmat to you, I thought this was only preaching from some BOSS and sikh soceities.

OK, this is your opinion. However, this would also make gatka manmat, and I say this since some of the people who preach this also practise, sorry PLAY, gatka.

I do come from a conservative background, where bhangra dancing or just dancing in general IN PUBLIC display is frowned upon, and even public singing back in the days, and was left to people like marasis.

If some of our traditional views spilt out into gatka, I think there would be some fireworks.

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I've seen the old Bhangrra groups in the UK dance with swords in their hands, swinging wildly. Now is that Gtaka or just dancing? Perhaps its the location that makes the difference: Hall No. 5 at your gurdwara against the Red Cow pub in Smethwick. Or maybe its the fact of what your saying whilst doing it. deg, teg.....panth ki......raj karega..... as opposed to bhalle,bhalle; shava,shava.

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Oh no, I read the page before this, so I guess just "bhangra" dancing is manmat to you, I thought this was only preaching from some BOSS and sikh soceities.

Dude you read too much of the sarbloh site and simply regurgitate it as fact. Seriously was it that your first experience of Sikhi was reading that site? Not everything is in as simple boxes as you think. "Oh the fanatics are ___ they all believe this this and this". lol. Actually there are a variety of views within Boss and those who you would fit into one group "sikh societies", and there are also others who wouldn't fit into these neat little boxes who do believe some of these things too.

Just something I had to put in after viewing some of your posts.

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Actually, to me, GATKA also resembles a form of dance, it's called ''dandia', look it up. ..

To be fair, I was probably a 'winncie' bit fanatical a few years ago, but my core feelings remain unchanged. I feel the whole bhanra/disco scene, has and does play a large part in the decline of moral and respectful behaviour amongst Sikh youth. Not to mention the gandh that many songs today talk about.

I am unapologetic about being a traditionalist (not BOSS, whoever they are), and have actually studied a little of Giddha, boliyan, folk and traditional bhangra. All I can say is that it was a very different thing as recently as 80 years ago.

On special occassions, women used to to do giddha in female company only. Men used to do bhangra in male company, it was unheard of for men and women dancing with or next to each other at weddings etc. In fact this level of respectful celebration can still be observed in parts of Punjab.

I cannot to this day understand, how a brother or father, sits at a wedding, watching his sister or daughter dance with scantily clad clothes next to or even with drunk men (many unrelated or even unknown) to songs with lewd lyrics....

What happens at nightclubs is even worse.... and is the most common place for the Sikh female harvest at the hands of Pakistani pervs (amongst others).

I have to give a mention/respect to Nihang Nidar Singh here - one of the very few UK people I know who has never been to a nightclub!

I have respect for real arts and traditions, like old folk (objective being education, story telling and festive cheer), not this modern day commercial talentless gibberish.

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I have to give a mention/respect to Nihang Nidar Singh here - one of the very few UK people I know who has never been to a nightclub!

Shaahediyan this is interesting point you bought up, it's shame that his chelas who back up him all the time have no problem going to nightclub with bana, try to promote bhangra with dirty lyrics. I have no problem with bhangra in general, hell many times i have debated with fanatics on dancing being manmat but one thing is clear in Gurmat- Gurmat has no place for dirty, ego-filled, tribe type lyrics and bhangra based on those lyrics.

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Actually, to me, GATKA also resembles a form of dance, it's called ''dandia', look it up. ..

I must correct you here ,shaheediyan . it is closely related to Morris Dancing. And those reports in the news that it is a dying art is a false rumour. The last bastion of English Culture is indeed flourishing up and down this green, green land in the godwaras.

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"I must correct you here ,shaheediyan . it is closely related to Morris Dancing. And those reports in the news that it is a dying art is a false rumour. The last bastion of English Culture is indeed flourishing up and down this green, green land in the godwaras."

Lol, I still disagree, Morris Dancing looks far to dangerous and affective to be connected to GATKA!

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I feel the whole bhanra/disco scene, has and does play a large part in the decline of moral and respectful behaviour amongst Sikh youth. Not to mention the gandh that many songs today talk about.

oh absolutely, but the problem is when the traditional stuff and gand is looked under the same banner. I think it is important to presevre some good traditions.

I am unapologetic about being a traditionalist (not BOSS, whoever they are), and have actually studied a little of Giddha, boliyan, folk and traditional bhangra. All I can say is that it was a very different thing as recently as 80 years ago.

On special occassions, women used to to do giddha in female company only. Men used to do bhangra in male company, it was unheard of for men and women dancing with or next to each other at weddings etc. In fact this level of respectful celebration can still be observed in parts of Punjab.

I cannot to this day understand, how a brother or father, sits at a wedding, watching his sister or daughter dance with scantily clad clothes next to or even with drunk men (many unrelated or even unknown) to songs with lewd lyrics....

OK, is this at the sikh wedding parties? I think soem families are more liberal than others. Although, I am seeing the not-so-good clothes slipping into some women, it doesn't look good.

I am sure most westerner kids don;t understand most of the lyrics, but no excuse for using lewdness. Although I think you mean the suggestive lyrics right??

What happens at nightclubs is even worse.... and is the most common place for the Sikh female harvest at the hands of Pakistani pervs (amongst others).

I have to give a mention/respect to Nihang Nidar Singh here - one of the very few UK people I know who has never been to a nightclub!

I have respect for real arts and traditions, like old folk (objective being education, story telling and festive cheer), not this modern day commercial talentless gibberish.

I have been to brunel uni club for bhangra night, and I thinkthe type of people and clothes are getting worse every year. I guess I developed a fundo attitude when all this stuff about girls being coverted at unis came out. I thouhgt, maybe I could make a difference in the club, catch them at it. lol (I guess it didn;t help I didn;t really chat to stranger girls)

Also I used to see some decent Singhs going there watching from the sides, I thinkl they went for same reason, to watch out for any trouble. I saw one with bana a few times, and theres always tghis Singhni with bana with him. I don;t know who they are, I just used to see them in uni now and then, oh and once at Hayes Tesco lol

I have matured now and just lost respect for those girls, so don;t care what they convert to. Although they have banned smoking, I don;t wanna go to uni club anymore to do bhangra, the people now there make me feel a bit alien, I think I will just be going to earlier family functions now :D

Hmm, yeh I always hear about some practioners of shastar vidiya from Nihang Niddar Sing's classes going clubs, but I mostly just see it on the net. I know some of the London class. I guess some of the people who preach against him should mention if they go clubbing :D

Maybe we should have a punjabi music censorship board, which either rates it acceptable or just bezhti.

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"I think it is important to presevre some good traditions."

Definately, as I said, real folk played a huge part in Punjabi life for hundreds of years providing the right atmosphere and oral education in times of birth, marriage and death to name but a few. One only has to study the extensive use of folk styles in Gurbani (to create appropriate feelings) to understand this.

Sadly, today people think folk simply translates to Heer or a story about some pi**ed off Jat.

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I have matured now and just lost respect for those girls, so don;t care what they convert to.

I think the parents and families have same the attitude. With respect, who is gonna help pick up the pieces? can't just leave it to the couple of charities that are doing thier best.

Anyway can you get us some tickets for these gigs?. I should be able to get hold of some fake Student ID. :wink:

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