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well sayin that one of the brothers has already taken amrit, i think they will give a good answe.

well i had a chat with them, they are not Amrit-Dhari just yet, there still in the process of thinking about it

the interview will be up next week i should think

but that question i did not ask, too many as there is

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As they are apparently so Sikhi orientated...

Could you ask them what the difference is between a pimp, a drug dealer and someone who poisons the potential Sikh youths minds with filth about drinking, dancing, revenge, caste and other rubbish Bhangra/Punjabi song subjects?

Also, could you ask them what benefit they are bringing to the panth by going to dirty nightclubs and promoting their album in a drinking, dancing, egotistical and lust filled environment, what kind of role models they think they are and do they accept responsibilty for bing partly responsible for tempting youth to this rubbish environment and lifestyle rather than a Gurmukh and pure one that millions of our ancestors sacrificed their lives for?

Also could you ask them give their understanding on the following:

REHAT

thriyaa raag sunehi chith laae || sunahu laal so jamapur jaae ||17||

Those who listen to dirty lyrics and lustful tunes with attention, listen Nand Lal Jee, they will be punished by the angel of death.;

Rehatnama Bhai Nand Laal Jee

GURBANI

maerae mohan sravanee eih n sunaaeae || saakath geeth naadh dhhun gaavath bolath bol ajaaeae ||1|| rehaao ||

O my fascinating Lord, may I never listen to the faithless cynic, singing his songs and tunes, and chanting his useless words. ||1||Pause||

Page 820 Guru Arjan Dev Jee Raag Bilaaval

Lastly, a question for admin, this website is great and has some excellent sangat and posts, instead of having a general music thread, could I do a benti and ask you to mae this "SIKH AWARENESS" related and have a gurmat sangeet thread, it's not nice for real Sikh youth who are trying to find raag, tanti saaj, Sikh musicology, compositions, raagis, kirtan, shabas etc to have to trawl through all this bhangra rubbish.

It would make your website even better than it already is, tie up the loose end if you will?

Daas

Dhanvaadh

Vahe-Guru ji ka Khalsa Vahe-Guru ji ki Fateh.

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Beast Ji,

Grow up, Sikhi and Guru's life giving hukums are not a joking matter:

Page 47, Line 11

jin keetaa tiseh na jaan-ee manmukh pas naapaak. ||2||

The self-willed manmukh is an insulting beast; he does not acknowledge the One who created him. ||2||

Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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sagal kir-aa meh ootam kiri-aa.

Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritual

saaDhsang durmat mal hiri-aa.

is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy.

Guru Arjan Dev

Rupz Ji,

What business does a Gurmukh have at nightclub?

Your statement is a non-starter, Guru Ji has told us to find and remain in Sadh Sangat in order to become true Gursikhs.

And please don't try and create a scenario where sangat would be found in a nightclub.

Our Guru's may (not a fact, just a maybe) have entered places of disrepute, but the aim would have been to change peoples lives and give them mukti, they were at one with God, they had the power to not be influenced or tempted by filth.

We are not our Guru's, we have been given instructions on what we need to do to achieve the darshan of Akaal Purkhs charan.

But don't listen to me, listen to your Master:

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ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਰਮਲਾ ਕਟੀਐ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਫਾਸ ॥

साधसंगति होइ निरमला कटीऐ जम की फास ॥

saaDhsangat ho-ay nirmalaa katee-ai jam kee faas.

In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you shall become absolutely pure, and the noose of death shall be cut away.

Guru Arjan Dev

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ਜੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਆਏ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵੇ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵਾਸਿ ॥੩॥

जो सतिगुर सरणि संगति नही आए ध्रिगु जीवे ध्रिगु जीवासि ॥३॥

jo satgur saran sangat nahee aa-ay Dharig jeevay Dharig jeevaas. ||3||

Those who have not sought the Sanctuary of the True Guru and the Sangat, the Holy Congregation; cursed are their lives, and cursed are their hopes of life. ||3||

Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

To complete, you may say as we have sadh sangat then a balance is achieved and mixing with manmukh won't have a bad affect:

Maharaj says:

A very relevant to nightclub quote:

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ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚਾਨਣੁ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਮੁਗਧੁ ਗੁਬਾਰੁ ॥

गुरमुखि चानणु जाणीऐ मनमुखि मुगधु गुबारु ॥

gurmukh chaanan jaanee-ai manmukh mugaDh bubaar.

The Gurmukh knows the Divine Light, while the foolish self-willed manmukh gropes around in the darkness.

Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੈਲੇ ਮਲੁ ਭਰੇ ਹਉਮੈ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਵਿਕਾਰੁ ॥

मनमुख मैले मलु भरे हउमै त्रिसना विकारु ॥

manmukh mailay mal bharay ha-umai tarisnaa vikaar.

The self-willed manmukhs are polluted. They are filled with the pollution of egotism, wickedness and desire.

Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

I do ardaas do Guru Ji that we will not fall under this category:

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ਸੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਬੂਝ ਨ ਪਾਇ ॥

सो प्रभु नदरि न आवई मनमुखि बूझ न पाइ ॥

so parabh nadar na aavee manmukh boojh na paa-ay.

God's Glance of Grace does not come to them; those self-willed manmukhs do not obtain understanding.

Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

God Bless You.

Daas

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Do you believe truth is kept in a pretty box? If God created all and everyone is apart of God then who is Good and who is Bad? Everything which you see is happening in his Will, we have no control over his will. If truth was kept in a box and you went outside this box, would you feel naked? When you become one with truth, truth is with you, truth doesnt get left behind when you leave your house.

If you believe God is everywhere then God himself is the truth.

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ah alas another kaliban...so now we have a bit of fun, speak of good artist bringin back old skool punjabi beats and songs....well were all going to hell....

On a personal note, Mr Shaheediyan i presume u no specialist and tru skool...of couse u do, only upon this manor could u pass such judgemnt....oh great sikhs....lol

I no one of them, specialist or tru skool (hell this is confusing) i no sukhi the one from derby, he is a good guy i herd a couple of beats a couple of years bk, i thnk him and his brothers are closer into sikhi more than ever now, although i dnt agree with all of there views, i still repect the man...but then again we will never be as good as some one who is all ready...well never mind

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Beast Ji,

Grow up, Sikhi and Guru's life giving hukums are not a joking matter:

Page 47, Line 11

jin keetaa tiseh na jaan-ee manmukh pas naapaak. ||2||

The self-willed manmukh is an insulting beast; he does not acknowledge the One who created him. ||2||

Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 266, Line 14

sagal kir-aa meh ootam kiri-aa.

Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritual

saaDhsang durmat mal hiri-aa.

is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy.

Guru Arjan Dev

enlighten me, o learned one, where I have not acknowledged the One who created me through my simple observation that the clubs I had been to were, in general, of good hygiene.

I've often found that the ones who are 'dirty' are those that have been suppressed in some way.

Rather then tell me to "grow up", surely a wise man like yourself could have showed this manmukh (me) the error of his ways through pyar?

Tsk, looks like my mind will forever remain filthy because I like bhangra music. Reminds me of the time when these Muslim fanatics were desperately tryin to convert my mate....apparently music is the source of all evil *shock*

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Rupz Ji,

Of course truth is everywhere, Sat Sri Akaal, and always will be.

It's not a question of living in a pretty little box, that is very patronising of you to say.

Of course everything happens as per his will.

My problem is not with people exercising their right to make their own choices, nor is my purpose to judge anyone, I am simply not happy about what is bhangra and inevitably and indirectly, nightclub culture being promoted on a Sikh website, where people come o learn about how our Guru's have told us how to live rather than a maya - commercial orientated culture.

If you have something to say or discuss as gurmat vichaar then please in the 1st instance respond to the Gurbani I have quoted in relation to your opinions.

Bhangra and nightclubs exist and people are free to enjoy them (if that's what they think they are doing).

Sikh websites should take responsibilty to seperate faith from culture, so that those youth who are seeking their Guru, are not distracted by this non-Sikh related diversion.

I simply possed some questions to be asked as per the initial post requested, not sure why some people are getting hot under the collar.

If this forum is not a place to discuss Sikhi, then could admin kindly let me know.

Ex-Sodhi Ji,

This forum is not about judging personalities, I was speaking in general terms and posing questions which on a Sikh forum are not just relevant to these bhangra DJs, but anyone else who is being promoted here.

My issue is with the lyrics in these peoples songs and the objective of the product which is predominantly blasted in seedy nightclubs, where sex, alchohol, dance, drugs and violence are common additives, not exactly what those poor hard working parents were dreaming of when sending their daughters to Uni to have a better life.

It never ceases to amaze me that people defending this rubbish are so bling and ignorent to the fact that youth in Punjab are nw 90% monai, drug taking and alchohol being the norm, and abortions growing daily, all of which is not helped by alchohol and lust promoting bhangra songs.

Not to mention the fact that these same people are crying about the fact that their sisters and daughters are running off with men of other faiths, not accepting an ounce of responsibilty themselves, but simply taking the decision to defame a whole people of another faith.

We all have a responsibilty to makethe world a better place, 1st of all by making ourselves better, then as per his will, reflecting on others.

I personally am not to concerned with "Punjabi's" identity crisis problems, but I am hurt when my Guru's sublime name is attemped to be dragged through the dirt.

My simple request is that bhangra belongs on a bhangra/punjabi forum, Kirtan belongs on Sikh forums, the former is and will continue to aid to the downfall of the Punjabi diasphora, whilst the latter will promote and increase Guru Ji's kirpa and light accross the world, to people of all backgrounds and faiths.

To put it simply, Chinese man, newly interested in Sikhi, a dynamic, philosophical, non-discriminatory - yet hard-line path to finding the ultimate truth - wants to learn more about the ultimate tool gifted to the Sikh from Guru Ji to aid them in this quest - Kirtan - as per Guru's maryada, in nirdaareth raag, which gives the seeker the opportnity to communicate with the creator in the most beautiful method known to man, by invoking the exact emotion our Guru's felt when singing his praises... and what does he find - Specialist, True School, Malkit Singh and Jazzy B?

I am not trying to force my opinion on you or win an arguement, I am relating this discussion to a Sikh forum and trying to initiate a Gurmat Veechar, using Maharaj as a point of reference rather than our own ego - opinions.

God bless you.

Daas

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Beast Ji,

Apologies for not showing you more love, I am far from perfect, but when Sikhi is being discussed I do not appreciate sarcasm, you can't tell me you were serious about your dirty comment, i was obviously refering to the nightclub scene and atmoshere.

If I am wrong, accept my sincerest and humblest apologies...

Music is the same as anything else in life, it can be used for good and bad, I hope you agree.

What you listen to is completely your choice and right, I am no one judge, but my point is that bhangra plays ZERO role in Sikhi, and in fact detracts the listner from Sikhi in most ways, and does not therefore belong on a Sikh website.

Our Guru's have given music the highest honour, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is compiled in a raag structure. All shabads have been grouped according to the ras-emotion - raag, and furthermore, instruction has been given by our Guru's as to how to render those raags and how to perform kirtan.

Kirtan is unquestionably a necessity in a Sikhs life as per Guru Ji's hukum.

So in answer, music is not bad, quite the opposite, it can help you to find God, but only if used correctly.

No bad feelings.

God Bless You.

Daas

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Thanks Shaheediyan.

I found one of your comments interesting - what effect does bhangra played by "Specialist n Truskool" in a club (seedy or otherwise) have on youth in Punjab?

The factors involved with the apparent demise of Punjab youth are varied, and I would put money on the UK/USA clubbing scene having a minimal impact. I would hypothesise that it's more to do with boredom, and loss of faith in Sikh leaders then people like Tigerstyle/Specialist n Truskool etc.

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Beast Ji,

There is only so much we can blame leaders, boredom and loss of faith.

Maharaj has put us here, in this golden information age, we have every possible resource imaginable at our finger tips, there is nothing we cannot find or learn about Sikhi.

We are our own leaders. Guru Gobind Singh Ji crowned our head with kes and then a dastaar, a sign of royalty, he made us all our leaders.

The dastaar represents allegiance only to Akaal Purkh, and equally represents the non-conformist nature of a true Singh - meaning not conforming to the worldly ways where they contradict those of our Master (which are most of them).

We are all blind, try and justify our actions, lifestyles and thinking.

We are kidding ourselves.

Life cannotbe boring for a Gursikh, it's impossible.

We need to learn, Gurmukhi, to read Laridaar Saroop, learn to play an instrument (preferbaly one gifted by our Guru's), learn raag vidya, learn to sing and do kirtan, learn shaster vidya, learn politics, learn other faiths and where possible other languages, as well as do amritvela, seva in many forms, work "honestly" for a living, raise a family, study....

Boredom is not a factor.

Justifying bhangra only fills a void (boredom) which was intended to be filled in other ways.

I won't respond to your comment about clubbing scene having minimal impact, you are obviously not aware of the emerging clubbing scenen in Punjab, namely Chandigarh.

We all know what rubbish goes on in clubs, just like drugs, it becomes an addiction, and DJs are the equivilent dealers in this trade.

You may say if they don't do it someone else will?

Well Guru Ji has told us to earn "Kirat" di kamai - that which is honest and does not impact negatively on others.

Promoting caste, alchohol, lust, revenge and club culture does not fit into that category.

Again my point is simply this, bhangra does not belong on a Sikh forum, Bhangra or modern Punjabi culture has nothing to do with Sikhi, as I said before, it detracts people from it.

Daas

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I know it doesn't fit in the general theme of what's been said, but one of the prominent Singhs of the misl period was called Baba Alum Singh "Nachanwala" because of his fondness for dancing.

I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I have never done any dodgy business in a club with a girl even when the oppurtunity was there. True, there are people whose only purpose is to pull birds. True, there are people whose only purpose is to get hammered. But it is also true that there are people who go there simply for a good time. How can these people be doing something that is not honest, and how are these people having a negative impact on others.

I knew plenty of Gursikhs who went clubbing.......and the funniest thing is that it was the best way of doing parchar of the Sikh Societies. Knock it if you want, but "non-religious" people actually came to do Waheguru Simran and Mool Mantar Simran days after talking to the Gursikhs in the club.

*Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if my statement here was taken out of context by others. I can only state what my observations were at the time.

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