gsingh00 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 i think you guys are a little confused on what "traditional" taksaal really did. Just look at Sant Gyanee Gurbachan Singh Jee's tenure as jathedar. Not only did they do MASSIVe prachar but were also very involved inthe politics of the panth. Unlke Dhumma however, the past jathedars were not stooges or puppets. They came out and spoke the truth, regardless of what anyone thought about it. If Dhuma is speaking up against Ashutosh, then I commend him for that, as I also do for him standing up against this Gulshan guy that SGPC wants to make head granth of harmandir sahib. However, that does not mean that his other political mis-haps should just be forgotten. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 i think you guys are a little confused on what "traditional" taksaal really did. Just look at Sant Gyanee Gurbachan Singh Jee's tenure as jathedar. Not only did they do MASSIVe prachar but were also very involved inthe politics of the panth. Unlke Dhumma however, the past jathedars were not stooges or puppets. They came out and spoke the truth, regardless of what anyone thought about it. If Dhuma is speaking up against Ashutosh, then I commend him for that, as I also do for him standing up against this Gulshan guy that SGPC wants to make head granth of harmandir sahib. However, that does not mean that his other political mis-haps should just be forgotten. Followed by Gurpreet Singh post which does not seem throw much light on traditional taksal but just a little. Can anyone here please give sangat detail list of differences(in terms of bhram vidya, maryada, oral & spiritual traditions etc) between traditional taksal[boparaie bhindran](jathedar- sant gyani gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale) and mehta taksal(jathedar - sant kartar singh ji - sant jarnail singh ji bhindranwale- sant baba thakur singh ji)? really curious about this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 it just a question infront of sangat? not throwing any insults nor i m accusing mehta that mehta is fake taksal.. it just a genuine question as people claimed they have differences, i want them to list the differences instead of just "claiming" ..also since i don't have enough resources to draw my own conculstion i m asking infront of cyber sangat. bhul chuk maph Can anyone here please give sangat detail list of differences(in terms of bhram vidya, maryada, oral & spiritual traditions etc) between traditional taksal[boparaie bhindran](jathedar- sant gyani gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale) and mehta taksal(jathedar - sant kartar singh ji - sant jarnail singh ji bhindranwale- sant baba thakur singh ji)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 It wasn't the 'traditional' bit I thought was important, but the 'getting back' by which I mean that there has always been that more traditional Sikhi side to Taksal, it just seems more effort is being put into prachaar and putting on a very public united front in Punjab with Sant Samaj and therefore samprdayas. Sant Gurbachan Singh ji's steeks are replete with samprdaya style references, granths such as Mukti Marg, Pandit Tara Singh Narotam, puratan vidya, vedantic perspective, etc within. As everyone knows this is the stay of the samprdayas. Affirming their links with the other Baba Bir Singh Naurangbad descending Nirmala upsamprdayas (Herkhowal, Rarewale, Hoti Mardan, etc). As is shown in a few older books there are two parampras for Taksal, one is the one people hold to in the UK via Baba Deep Singh, the other is the Baba Bishan Singh Muralewale one via Pandit Tara Singh Narotam that Nirmalay hold to. Therefore it was reassuring to see Baba Harnam Singh being given jathedari by the likes of Sarabjot Singh Bedi and Sant Jagjit Singh Herkhowal. The very fact that a group of Taksalis left out of disgust at this 'distorted maryada' being implemented implies that certain things have been undiscussed over the last couple of decades. This is what I meant by 'getting back'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Thanks for clarifying tsingh, this is the info i was looking for..thanks again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 One other thing I forgot to mention. Since its common knowledge, in terms of havans, as stated before Taksal have always had close links with samprda types like Herkhowalay Sants and in the case of the latter they openly advise families to perform havans as is reported in Baba Jagjit Singh's autobiography. A freind of mine was saying the same, that when Baba ji came over in the early 80s he personally advised and assisted his family in performing a havan. Like i said, I look forward to the wake up call of Baba Harnam Singh Ji in the UK speaking to the youth! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhji Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I dont think Baba Harnaam singh Will be in the UK problem with visa. Baba Harnaam Singh is doing great seva,and is working with the Nihangs Dal as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssjhamka Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 vaheguru quote The very fact that a group of Taksalis left out of disgust at this 'distorted maryada' being implemented implies that certain things have been undiscussed over the last couple of decades. This is what I meant by 'getting back'. the Singhs dnt leave becus of the havans, they left becus bhai harnam singh went against the bachan of Sant Ji and Baba ji. the Taksaal is of the old nothing about going back. ppl r waitong for bhai harnam singh to come to the uk dnt worry baba ji bachan is more important than a want to be jathadar. time will prove it right, plus ask baba jagjit singh ji if he supports baba jis bachan thanks akaaal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 SSJhamka Ji, Although that may have been the reason, the papers all quoted those who left leaving because of the maryada they saw being put in place at Mehta Chowk. Maybe it was political posturing I don't know. Of the Taksalis I know they have commented on the seeming move of Baba Harnam Singh away from politics to prachaar, I think that is very clear in the jathedari event in which mainly the sant mandali and sant samaj gave jathedari to Baba Harnam Singh, while the politicians largely seemed to be supporting Baba Ram Singh. As you say, time will tell! Vijaydeep, I am however equally disappointed by his stance on women, and you probably saw this week in the papers that one of the reasons he gave for one of those three gyanis not being selected was that the Gyani had allowed women to be part of the panj pyare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Gurfateh Brother TSingh Ji, Das bows to your feeling and does endroses that.das is ory for absensce as here in Delhi there was some other case of Anand Karaj and das will write more on it on other thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenge_everything Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 is sant ji in the uk now then - whos got his schedule? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted September 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 sant ji didnt come as thier jatha did not get visa'a even though they did. they even cancelled their trip to switzerland last week 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Having returned from our shahi ishanaan at the Ardh Kumbh (anand!), I was updated further on the move back towards 'traditional' Taksali mindset. I was informed that when Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji came and took darshan of Sri Mahant Gyan Dev Singh Ji Vedantacharya he did full dandot bandan. Maybe this is his normal practice, but it was certainly noted. I am impressed by his efforts to affirm those traditional bonds with Udasis and Nirmalay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaali Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 please do explain what dandot bandan is for us idiots who dont know what it is, thanks in advance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted January 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 When i was in India Tirath Singh I saw Baba Harnam Singh Ji and it seems to be their traditional way of respecting all sants. I have their katha on the barsi of Sant Dalel Singh Ji's Barsi. They speak very highly of the Nirmalas and Udhasi orders 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 please do explain what dandot bandan is for us idiots who dont know what it is, thanks in advance dandot bandan : full namaskar, full lie down on the floor with your face downwards on ishatdev (sri guru granth sahib ji) or your gurdev charan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I thought it might be Kam, either way those around Sri Mahant were impressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhji Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Kam could you try to upload the Katha ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted January 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 i am waiting for gurmatveechar.com to reply to my e mails first as it would go on their website. i will put the audio on their and the video on google video when i get a chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Gurfateh, In support of what I wrote on this post a while ago, ...it was nice to see Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma attending the shahi ishnan with the Sri Panchayti Akhara Nirmala, taking ganga ishnan with Sants at Haridvar during the kumbh mela on monday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 For my ignorance, but what is shahi ishnan?..sounds like fun, is it you take ishnan and someone throws lotus/rose petals on you or something?? ...hehe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 what is the mahatam is taking ganga ishnaan? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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