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i doubt any religion allows for sex before marriage. I guess the question i'm trying to ask is in this world that we are living in where do we draw the line? i mean is reading novels that have "very graphic" description of sexual acts, or vewing pictured that are bordering between sexy and pornographic elements so on so forth(you ppl get the picture) wrong?... when nothing is is actually being done by the reader/viewer expect reading or viewing them?

I do know some will raise their views on the grounds of "it not being the act itself but the pschycological effect " . But imagine this situation:

You're stuck in traffic and you're getting late. Out of frustration you just curse the person driving in front of you and for one second just wish he/she had a flat tire.. you don't go and flatten their tire but wish it happens to them...does that make you not following the "sikhi way" since as a sikh you are thought since young that as a sikh you are to love your fellow brothers and sisters.That you have no right to wish worse of someone.

so i base my question on that...looking forward to reading your views.

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i doubt any religion allows for sex before marriage. I guess the question i'm trying to ask is in this world that we are living in where do we draw the line? i mean is reading novels that have "very graphic" description of sexual acts, or vewing pictured that are bordering between sexy and pornographic elements so on so forth(you ppl get the picture) wrong?... when nothing is is actually being done by the reader/viewer expect reading or viewing them?

I do know some will raise their views on the grounds of "it not being the act itself but the pschycological effect " . But imagine this situation:

You're stuck in traffic and you're getting late. Out of frustration you just curse the person driving in front of you and for one second just wish he/she had a flat tire.. you don't go and flatten their tire but wish it happens to them...does that make you not following the "sikhi way" since as a sikh you are thought since young that as a sikh you are to love your fellow brothers and sisters.That you have no right to wish worse of someone.

so i base my question on that...looking forward to reading your views.

You are right when you said:

"I do know some will raise their views on the grounds of "it not being the act itself but the pschycological effect".

Malicous Thoughts/ Imagination of sexual graphic pictures leads to an intent, intent leads to an action.

Once thoughts/imagination leads to an intent, its very hard to stop that intend taking its shape into "action".

Even if one manages to stop that intent taking its shape into action because of fear of consquences from laws of soceity or other consquences that intent hasnt gone anywhere, it will be there in human sub consciouness mind and one point in life or life times that intent willl come out "as ugly" it could be and will take its shape into action. Action brings fruit in one's karma. Karma prolongs the paralabdh( pay for bad actions and receive fruit for good actions) of this human being.

Thats why its extremely important to do constant meditation and refrain from such thoughts, if such thought comes and do ardas and naam simran to rise above from such thoughts. Otherwise, you may think its just a thought(foorna) but in fact its a seed of action, once seed is planted, action will take place sooner or later.

Bhramgyanis/Sant Mahapursh do actions not in humaein(ego) but in will of vahiguroo, they are under hakum so they understand the hakum unlike us, thats why whatever actions they do, karma does not apply to them whether god or bad because they do actions after they destoryed the paralabdh(acculmation of karmas-good /bad) from previous lives.

If bhramgyani wishes , that wish is under will of god they can destroy the whole universe = No Paap to them !

If bhramgyani wishes, they can blend each and every human being on this planet with bhramgyan. = No Paun(good fruit) to them.

They are over karma's unlike us because they are fully under will of Vahiguroo. In fact, each action they do , they do it under will of Vahiguroo.

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that just makes me feel like shit if i've ever had lustful thoughts. especially growing up and being young. it can be hard to not objectify a girl and think shes beutiful adn then have lustful thoughts. but what about the rules and regs of sex pre marriage?

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for curiousity sake lets dwell on this subject:

what if S. Singh is to be married to K.Kaur in a few months time, they are madly in love with each other and very much committed to the relationship they share. Is it wrong for S.Singh to have lustful thoughts of K.Kaur?

i mean is it wrong for S.Singh(who loves K. Kaur very much) to once in a while have lustful feelings for his future wife?

does it make sense to say he should refrain from having those thoughts of her or vice versa?

la-di-da...they get married and live happily ever after. is it still not proper for either of them to experience those feelings for each other?

Is it still logic to say that he/she should refrain from those sinful thoughts?

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for curiousity sake lets dwell on this subject:

what if S. Singh is to be married to K.Kaur in a few months time, they are madly in love with each other and very much committed to the relationship they share. Is it wrong for S.Singh to have lustful thoughts of K.Kaur?

i mean is it wrong for S.Singh(who loves K. Kaur very much) to once in a while have lustful feelings for his future wife?

does it make sense to say he should refrain from having those thoughts of her or vice versa?

la-di-da...they get married and live happily ever after. is it still not proper for either of them to experience those feelings for each other?

Is it still logic to say that he/she should refrain from those sinful thoughts?

Lets be fully honest with ourselves here- where there is lust there cannot be stream of pure unconditional love, yeah infatutation is there which this jiv calls love and confuses it with love. Thats there but not pure stream of love.

and its not only lust that makes guy's erect (ready for intercourse), one can also do bhog thinking of partner as an image of divinity.

its a major misconception that lust is the only thing that makes men ready for intercourse.

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