That day in 1699...

[paapiman]

10 minutes ago, paapiman said:

If you say, that guru sahib took them in a tent and fooled the sangat that it was human blood on his sword, then you are accusing Guru sahib of lying to the sangat and doing something different from what he said. (sorry I said accusing, used the wrong word; I mean the implication of this saakhi)

@Trimandeep Singh

When Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) said that they need a "head", he might have said it metaphorically.

Like when Daas says that a person has to give his "head" to Panj Pyare to get Khande da Amrit, that does not mean that you have to behead yourself and present your head to the Panj Pyare. It means that you have to abandon your ego and pride, within your mind.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

11 minutes ago, paapiman said:

But for Guru sahib, it didn't mean that Bhai Lehna passed the test. Bhai Lehna passed the test only when he actually started eating the corpse from the feet.

Didn't the corpse turn into Karah Prashad, when the sheet from the dead body was lifted?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

5 hours ago, paapiman said:

Didn't the corpse turn into Karah Prashad, when the sheet from the dead body was lifted?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I think so Hanji, but only after committing to eat it in the rotten form. So up until the point of acceptance it was flesh. 

[GurjantGnostic]

5 hours ago, paapiman said:

@Trimandeep Singh

When Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) said that they need a "head", he might have said it metaphorically.

Like when Daas says that a person has to give his "head" to Panj Pyare to get Khande da Amrit, that does not mean that you have to behead yourself and present your head to the Panj Pyare. It means that you have to abandon your ego and pride, within your mind.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

While that metaphor may be true, and often is used that way, the effect this had on the Sangat initially, makes it clear people saw, or thought they saw, heads rolling. 

[Trimandeep Singh]

7 hours ago, paapiman said:

First of all, it is evident from history that whenever Guru Sahib takes a test, the person is successful only when he actually does it. Eg: when Guru Nanak Dev Ji tested his gursikhs (Baba Budhaa Ji, Bhai Bhagirathi Ji, Bhai Lehna Ji), when he asked them to eat the corpse, it was only Bhai Lehna who came forward. But for Guru sahib, it didn't mean that Bhai Lehna passed the test. Bhai Lehna passed the test only when he actually started eating the corpse from the feet.

Similarly, when guru sahib asked the sangat to give their head, he actually cut off their heads in front of the whole sangat.

Do you agree with this @paapiman?

Trimandeep Singh 

[paapiman]

11 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said:

Do you agree with this @paapiman?

Trimandeep Singh 

Sri Satguru jee can do anything. He is All-powerful and Almighty.

But the question is - what exactly did he do on that day in 1699?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

I think Bhai Jaita Singh's work mentions the jhatkaing of goats in the first Amritsanchar? I can't find my copy to check though? 

[Soulfinder]

 

[Trimandeep Singh]

2 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

 

Sant ji hit the nail on the head! Noone can speak boldly like him. And the reasons he has given for not believing Jhatka stories are absolutely correct. 

Someone who says something and does something else can never be a true sant, and here we are talking about Nirankaar himself. 

Dhan Guru ke Sikh!

Trimandeep Singh 

[Trimandeep Singh]

4 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think Bhai Jaita Singh's work mentions the jhatkaing of goats in the first Amritsanchar? I can't find my copy to check though? 

TAKEN FROM ANOTHER FORUM 

 

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Siri Gur Katha

Bhai Jaita Ji’s name shines in the Sikh history like a koh-i-noor diamond. He made a great sacrifice for the panth. It was only him who brought ‘Sees’ of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji from Delhi. It was him who fought numerous battles in Guru Sahib’s army and gave shaheedi at Chamkaur Sahib. He was not only a great gursikh but also a great poet and writer. He wrote Siri Gur Katha granth which remained hidden from the panth until recently. Even today most of the Sikhs are unaware of its existence. Bhai Sahib wrote much more but it is believed that due to wars and persecution it was lost. What remained stayed in the family of a gursikh.

Luckily, what remained is perhaps the most crucial information Sikhs need today. In the document Siri Gur Katha Bhai Sahib wrote eye witness accounts of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s Shaheedi, description of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, account of wars, and most importantly first Amrit Sanchaar. It also highlights rehat kurehat and some very fundamental beliefs of Gurmat which many of the Sikhs today hesitate to accept. I am not writing anything on my own (although it affirmed many of my beliefs) but I will post what it states. The purpose is for the readers to be aware of this and study it on their own. I am not trying to start any controversial topic or debate. Accepting it or rejecting it is the decision of the reader. I won’t post everything written in it but following is what I understood from the text. Here is some of what is written by Bhai Sahib:

1) There is no one equal to Guru Sahib throughout ages. Following Gurmat will bring muktee.

2) “Waheguru” is gurmantar. A Sikh should always recite it.

3) Sikhs are not to lie, slander, eat tobacco, eat kuttha, smoke, drink, commit adultery, and follow brahmanical rituals.

4) Piercing is forbidden.

5) Always remember Waheguru and be prepared to fight Dharam Yudh.

6) Help everyone who comes to you.

7) Realize that everyone is the child of Waheguru. Reject caste system.

Always wear Shastars without which one is a jackal.

9) Never cut or trim hair.

10) Always greet everyone with Fateh.

11) Do not wear “Laal Sooha” and “Nasvaar” clothes.

12) Always do sangat of Gursikhs. Do not intermingle with patits.

13) Worship only Akal Purakh.

14) Always eat the food prepared by Amritdharis.

15) Accept everything as will of Waheguru.

16) Five Kakkars are Kes, Kangha, Kara, Kirpan and Kachera.

17) Always wear dastaar on the head.

Much more is written on rehat but these are enough points. Amrit Sanchaar is perhaps the most important of all. Bhai Sahib writes that Guru Sahib took five heads, dead became alive, five banis were recited etc. Here are exact quotes:

1) Sikhs became alive which is the miracle of Guru Sahib.

2) Five Kakkars were given to the Pyaras. In the image word "Kes" is missing which is supposed to be after "Kach".

3) Amrit preparation begins.

4) How Amrit is prepared.

5) Five Banis are recited.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

 

 

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Trimandeep Singh