Dancing Warrior Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 v = vishnu... ? ਸਿਤਜੁਗ ਸਿਤਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਾਵਾ ਿਵਸਨਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਾਵੈ Vishnu as Vasudev, from what i understand but i could be wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guv Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 v = vishnu... ? ਸਿਤਜੁਗ ਸਿਤਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਾਵਾ ਿਵਸਨਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਾਵੈ Vishnu as Vasudev, from what i understand but i could be wrong. it makes more sense if u read the whole shabad http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=5590 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guv Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Bhai Gurdas explains waheguru mantra being the simran of V = vasudev, H = Hari, R = Ram and G = Gobind. Hence, the hari avatar of each yug. "In the Satyug age Satiguru was Vasudev, the sound 'v' is the repetition of Visnu's name." Page 63 - Bhavrasamrit Tika - Tirath Singh Nirmala (2006) but then i suppose he could be wrong... he's only a nirmala! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 what is the conclusion? why does Gurbani say that they did not know Gods limits, and they had ego etc etc? how is it to be understood 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Warrior Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Did all Avatars have physical form? I understand that through the passage of time a lot of them have become symbols and metaphors but were they real in the essence of physical matter as we understand today? Some Sikh scholars do confirm that Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh were indeed real physical personalities. I must confess I have always found them fascinating 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Warrior Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Did all Avatars have physical form? I understand that through the passage of time a lot of them have become symbols and metaphors but were they real in the essence of physical matter as we understand today? Some Sikh scholars do confirm that Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh were indeed real physical personalities. I must confess I have always found them fascinating 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 This was posted by the user Hari a while back.. Hopefully it will give you a newer prespective on your question. http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...&highlight= This is a Shabad by Satguru Arjun Devan Dev in praise of Vishnu-Krishna Bhagvan (Sargun Vahiguru): http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3794 You will see names of Krishna Bhagvan like: Madhusudan (Killer of Madhu demon), Damodar, Rikhikesh, Govardhan Dhari (lifter of Gavardhan mountain), Murali-Manohar (Manohar the player of the flute), Mohan, Madhav, Murari (the flute player), Narsingh (man-lion Avatar), Narayan (the abode of man), Bavan (Avatar of Vishnu), Ram Chand, Chakrapani (wielder of the Sudarshan Chakra), Gopi-nath (Master of the Gopi's), Basudev, Niranjan and loads more. You will love this Shabad, especially if you are a Vishnu-Krishna hater. Dhan Dhan Shri Krishna Maharaj! Dhan Dhan Satguru Arjun Maharaj! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 In Giani Takhur Singh ji's katha, he says that in past ages it was Vishnu who was the avtar and the saviour of each age. But in this age, kal jug was so powerful that Vishnu said to Waheguru 'only you can prevail'. So Waheguru himself went in the form of Guru Nanak Dev ji. a side note on avtars: Baba Harnam Singh ji RampurKhera had once told Giani ji that god himself comes into the body right when it's being born / or right after its born. So in this way, it satisfies teh requirment in mool mantr of god not being born. and, i'm not sure if this was mentioned, there are many janams, i've heard vishnu, shiva, brahma are all janams - there have been more than one of each. reminds me of a sakhi of inder devta. there was an ant, and a bhagat (forget the name) looked at it and started laughing. When asked why he replied that the ant had been the king of heaven in a past life, and had fallen from that stage only to reach it again several more times. Once again the ant wanted to be king of heaven. and regarding the physical form, i've heard in katha that at a certain stage vishnu and other gods, demigods, devtay come to do satkaar of a sikh who's reached such a high stage. so i do believe they had physical form - definitely not metaphorical. nothing in bani that i've read suggests that they were. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Haha its cool to go through these posts from 2006-2007 when I was first getting into Sikhi. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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