Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 In farsi Hindu means Indian and Turk means Turk and this was the use of the words in Medieval India. That I know of most Muslims in India are not Turks. And again I am not Turkish... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Turk=Turkish? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Doesn't it seem obvious to you? Turk is the people who are Turkish. Portuguese are the people from Portugal. English the people from England. I am sure you must have learnt that somewhere in school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I agree that Turk is not = muslim, because of the line "...Turk Pathan Aml Kia..." from Asa di Var. Turks and pathans are different peoples, so it's not necesarily a reference to the religion (though Turks are mostly muslim). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 The voice of reason has spoken again. Thank you Matheen. What I loved the most is Beetlejuices question: "Turk=Turkish?" Says it all about Beetlejuice I think... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Turks are STILL Muslim admin cut 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 So are Pakistanis, about 13 percent of Indians, Indonesians, Iranians, Iraqis etc... Mind you there are also Turkish Christians... Not all Turks are Muslims and not all Muslims are Turks...I still don't see the point of your quote. I am not Turkish and the verse talks about Turks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 So are Pakistanis, about 13 percent of Indians, Indonesians, Iranians, Iraqis, Morrocans, Algerians, Tunisians etc... Mind you there are also Turkish Christians... Not all Turks are Muslims and not all Muslims are Turks...I still don't see the point of your quote. I am not Turkish and the verse talks about Turks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Well what difference does it make..all non Muslims are going staright to hell right? Everyone else is wrong...right? Islam is the only way to God right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 You're saying that. I never said that Tej... your problem. There is plenty of great ayatollahs who say that even non-Muslims go to jannah so I really don't know what you are on about. I believe that there are saintly people in all great revealed traditions.One of my favorite saints is a Christian monk, Padre Pio and I have no doubts that he was a great saint. So go and look for Wahabis somewhere else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 But this is according to the Quran what I have said... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Even the Qur'an says that people of the book can go to jannah or are you more knowledgeable than Ayatollah Saanei or Ayatollah Khomeini? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 People of The Book= Jews, Christians, Muslims..NOT Sikhi.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Does it say in the actual Holy Quran that SIKHS are People of the Book?..I doubt it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 By the way..I dont say the above..but....Muslims do!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 And seeing as though youre a Muslim...and you claim things are different to what these Muslims say....educate us..youre always claiming to be a scholar!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 As I thought..cant answer this...can you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I told you to read books but you refuse to do it. Sorry if the only Muslims you know are 2d generation uneducated scum but I think by now you should have done the difference between real Islam and these people. Unfortunately it seems my attempts to guide you to some good academic books have failed. I have done my jumervari as far as you are concerned. All I got back was abuse. I can't be bothered anymore sorry. Btw Muslims are not ahl e Kitab but you still count them as such. The Qur'an was revealed 1000 before Sikhs even appeared so that's why they're not mentioned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Abuse..hahaha you are a big baby to be honest...you cry over the smallest of things...and GUIDE ME!!!....dont try to act as though youre my 'teacher' or something because you are certainly not!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 You have to make up your mind. Either you ask someone for knowledge and consider him a teacher or you don't. And yes I am not your teacher. In real life people get paid for that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Good, you have cleared that youre not my teacher..!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 And besides just because one asks questions..it doesnt mean one must consider the other as a teacher....!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I never said I was your teacher so what's the fuss about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 You simply twist your version of events..you cannot answer staright teh questions peopel ask, but apply your subtle twists... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 rather I get you to ask yourself questions so you find the answers by yourself. Anyways I had enough of this. I created this post to talk about Iran not you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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