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Watched a great video about Shabad Guru discussed by Dr. Satpal Singh
I would highly suggest you watch this video.
Key things mentioned are:
Guru Nanak's Guru was the Shabad that is pargat in all of us (Naam).
The focus is not our physical body and external rituals, but to get our surti (consciousness/concentration) out from the nine doors and to go within and connect to the Shabad (Naam) at Tenth Gate. (Done by Jaaping Gurmantra)Another video which is more recent but I have not watched
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parabh kaa simran sabh tay oochaa.
The remembrance of God is the highest and most exalted of all. SGGS. 263
sarab Dharam meh saraysat Dharam.Of all religions, the best religionhar ko naam jap nirmal karam.is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.sagal kir-aa meh ootam kiri-aa.Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritualsaaDhsang durmat mal hiri-aa.is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy.sagal udam meh udam bhalaa.Of all efforts, the best efforthar kaa naam japahu jee-a sadaa.is to chant the Name of the Lord in the heart, forever.sagal baanee meh amrit baanee.Of all speech, the most ambrosial speechhar ko jas sun rasan bakhaanee.is to hear the Lord's Praise and chant it with the tongue.sagal thaan tay oh ootam thaan.Of all places, the most sublime place,naanak jih ghat vasai har naam. ||8||3||O Nanak, is that heart in which the Name of the Lord abides. SGGS p.266 -
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So should we concentrate on such sounds like high frequence buzz or ring sounds or we should just ignore them???
As far as I realize, in the early stages- we should keep Gurmantar/Shabad at the forefront.
I always kept, or tried to keep the main dhyan on the gurmantar and jap.
Initially, I probably tried to ignore them because at that point I didn't have much understanding...but I always thought that waheguru knows I'm trying to jap, so he must be putting them there for some reason.
But you should acknowledge them and not let them digress you away from gurmantar.
Later, the sounds start to get captivating and magnetic, and they begin to pull you in deeper.
Thanks to the members on this form, gyan from Guru Granth Sahib, few other Gurmukhs, reading Sri Guru Nanak Chamatkar book by Bhai Sahib Bhai Vir Singh Ji.
I have also come to realise the Gurmantra/GurShabad should be the most important.
As Lucky said "sounds start to get captivating and magnetic, and they begin to pull you in deeper"
This is also mentioned on another site."it is easy for the mind to get over-involved - almost OCD - in listening to inner sounds and trying to determine which is better or "right". In the process, the mind becomes like a dog incessantly chasing its tail. Instead, Charan Singh tells us to simply keep repeating and focusing on Simran. The more your attention is wholly and solely focused upon Simran, the more it will be immersed in the Sound Current - and, in the process, the subordinate sounds will fade into the background and the real, Eternal Sound will emerge into your focus, lift you up above body-consciousness and guide you within"
As it says in Guru Granth Sahib chant the Gurmantra, day and night while standing, sitting, sleeping, eating, walking, working, etc.
Gurmukh said if we can not make our mind sit without taking thoughts for 3 hours then it will be very heard to merge into naam. Therefore, must keep doing simran to make mind sit.
If we take a thought to transition from Gurmantra to Naam then we take a thought which will put us back into Maya, Therefore, make mind so still that when Naam comes it automatically pulls you within without you taking a thought.
Also to add, Gurpreet Shimla Wale in his kirtan/katha mentioned that we are to keep chanting the Gurmantra because it will eventually go into rom rom (heartbeat and cells).
I think that once Gurmantra goes into heartbeat, then one is able to listen to the Naad. It says in Guru Granth Sahib Ji "the Sound-current of the Naad vibrates in each and every heart".
If I made any mistakes, forgive me, I too am still learning on this path.
Man tan antari Hari Hari Mant. Nanak bhagtan kai ghar sadaa anand: The Mantra of God's Name, Har, Har, is deep Within my mind and body. O Nanak, eternal bliss fills the home of God's devotees (sggs 802).Raam Naam Mant hirdai daivai Nanak milan subhaaye: The Mantra of the Raam Naam is enshrined Within the heart, O Nanak, and we merge with Him so easily (sggs 444).
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I was watching Gurmukh Lecture series and Lecture 56 was very inspiring and great knowledge from Sri Guru Granth Sahib.
1st bhavsagar (3 qualities of maya : rajo, sato, tamo)
Crossed over by listening to Gurmantra Gurshabad: WaheGuru2nd bhavsagar is of the five elements Kal’s desh country jurisdiction (air, water, fire, earth, akash:space)
Crossed over by listening to Naam (sehaj dhune, sacha shabad, anhat shabad) unstruck sound current takes you to the door, dasam duar.
Cross dasam daur, tenth gate, door.
Listening to Naad enter Sacha Mahal, home of truth, mind as Jot, God.
It is all by the Grace of Waheguru that one listens to the sound and by God’s kirpa do we enter Sacha Mahal.This information is taken from the video starting from 8 minute and 40 second mark
http://youtu.be/ARR5az7O6RY?list=UUmo3Xj6UCA_KLcODU1pGoQg
What is Naad?(loud blast) Also referred to as Naam
http://www.nijarco.com/how-to-do-meditation-nijarco/
This link which Sat posted in another thread is very good. Shares some very good information and mentions Anhat Naad(NAAM) loud blast.
Forgive me for any mistake I have made,
Waheguru please bless the Gurmukhs who walk the path of Liv.
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There will be a Simran Camp from October 3rd to 5th in Surrey and Abbotsford, British Columbia. Locations of Gurdwara's to be announced. I strongly suggest everyone to come and invite everyone they know. This is a very great opportunity to join the sangat from all over and remember God.
More information will be posted closer to the date: on http://mysimran.info/camps/WJKK WJKF
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I will never forget that blast in my ears that night because I was awoken so suddenly to an excruciating loud pain and had to hold my ears to try and cope. It was just like described above. It happened on two consecutive nights.
Maybe he came but I couldn't handle the experience. My god that was 7 months ago and he never came back.
WaheGurooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Hey Sat,
This video Santren Daya Singh at 21:30min talks about your experience very interesting should check it out.
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Thank you veer ji for the translation. very amazing read. Dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib ji.
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Could someone please explain what he is saying. The terminology is making it hard to understand.
How do you know when your Behkari is perfected? and when to start swaas swaas? When you see prakash? Is he saying something about that? -
This one is the basic high pitched peeeee that one might hear even when not exposed to loud sounds. I may be wrong but this happens in the initial stages before hearing anhad as I used to hear it first.
I found this video which plays a range of sound frequencies, the sound I hear is 12-12.5 khz
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On 6/29/2014 at 10:26 AM, Sat1176 said:
One thing I noticed was all the videos had been cut when it came to an actual exercise. I have found some audio recording of the actual workshops.
Loads of helpful tips here and the Q&A at the end was very enlightening.
Sat thank you for mentioning the tips
This audio is also good, but what he says has been repeated many times before in all his youtube videos.
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Baba Hari Singh Ji talks about Gurmantar and the various stages. He also talks about the process of reversing your breath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srq3UqegZAI
Like Lucky mentioned earlier in this thread:
One has to reverse the process and take that sound back to the Dhunni, the place where the sound arose from.
1. Parra
2. Basanti
3. Madhmaa
4. Bekhari
Another video which talks about the same thing but its in English
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Very interesting video
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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ke Fateh!
I am new to this forum. I have read through all the posts and am very glad to read from such amazing Gurmukh's and their inspiring experiences, tips, and techniques.
I have just recently been practising Simran, less than a month. By God's Grace I was told about the practical methods of Simran by a Gursikh from Chicago who learned the practical from Bhai Sewa Singh from Moga.
I strongly suggest you check his website www.mysimran.info which provides lectures on the technique of Simran, the experiences one will have, lectures on maya, and many more.
Also, you should check when he will be coming to your town for a Simran (meditation) Camp http://mysimran.info/camps/
One question I have had for a while now is when do you know when to transition from Baikhari Bani (out loud with mouth and tongue) to Madhama (whispering) to Pasanti (internally) to Para (rom rom).
I usually practice the first three but not Para (rom rom).
Also, any tips on how to Listen to Gurmantar, dhyan on the sound (dhune). Is very hard for me to focus with so many thoughts. I try to focus on sound coming from my mouth but mind does not sit.
Thank you, very blessed to have found this forum and such blessed Gurmukhs.
WJKK WJKF
Lock And Key In Opening Dasam Duar (Simran The Process Of Going Beyond Body Consciousness)
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Kẖat nem kar koṯẖ▫ṛī bāʼnḏẖī basaṯ anūp bīcẖ pā▫ī.
He fashioned the body chamber with six rings, and placed within it the incomparable thing.
Kunjī kulaf parān kar rākẖe karṯe bār na lā▫ī.
He made the breath of life the watchman, with lock and key to protect it; the Creator did this in no time at all.
Ab man jāgaṯ rahu re bẖā▫ī.
Keep your mind awake and aware now, O Sibling of Destiny.
Gāfal ho▫e kai janam gavā▫i▫o cẖor musai gẖar jā▫ī.
You were careless, and you have wasted your life; your home is being plundered by thieves. ||1||Pause||
Pancẖ pahrū▫ā ḏar mėh rahṯe ṯin kā nahī paṯī▫ārā.
The five senses stand as guards at the gate, but now can they be trusted?
Cẖeṯ sucẖeṯ cẖiṯ ho▫e rahu ṯa▫o lai pargās ujārā.
When you are conscious in your consciousness, you shall be enlightened and illuminated.
Na▫o gẖar ḏekẖ jo kāman bẖūlī basaṯ anūp na pā▫ī.
Seeing the nine openings of the body, the soul-bride is led astray; she does not obtain that incomparable thing.
Kahaṯ Kabīr navai gẖar mūse ḏasvaiʼn ṯaṯ samā▫ī.
Says Kabeer, the nine openings of the body are being plundered; rise up to the Tenth Gate, and discover the true essence.
SGGS 339
Har har akẖar ḏu▫e ih mālā.
These two words, Har, Har, make up my maalaa.
SGGS 388
Gur mil jīṯā har har kīṯā ṯūtī bẖīṯā bẖaram gaṛā.
Meeting the Guru, I am victorious; praising the Lord, Har, Har, the walls of the fortress of doubt have been destroyed.
SGGS 453
Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider
Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ANG 1374
Says Kabeer, chant the two letters of the Lord's Name - Raa Maa.
If He is your Lord and Master, He will protect you ANG 329
In the same way, Gurmantra/GurShabad is to be chanted Wahe. Guru.
If you look at Sufi Zikr they chant Allah. Hu.
Kar kirpā jis āpnai nām lā▫e.
Those whom the Lord mercifully attaches to His Naam -
Nānak cẖa▫uthe paḏ mėh so jan gaṯ pā▫e.
O Nanak, in the fourth state, those humble servants attain salvation.
Please forgive me for any mistakes.
WJKK WJKF