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Thank you. Lucky jee. Perhaps you are right and will follow the advice.

If it is ajaapa jap, then you should be able to feel it in all parts of your body.

I hope it is ajapa jaap . As Sat article above on Sant Baba Isher jee, it did mention that ajapa japa is 'when the breath and the simraan separate'. Thus I hope it is ajapa japa

You may feel it more prominent in any of the areas from navel upwards,....but you should very easily be able to direct attention from there to any part of the body.

I may be able to give some further suggestions(based on my personal opinion only),.depending on whether you can hear naad or not, and If you could be a little more specific about whereabout in the throat area.

Lucky jee I can't pinpoint exactly. The simraan is not exactly at the throat but slightly above. If I closed my eye and see inside it seems the simraan is "floating". The simraan is soft, I do not make effort at all to repeat but it repeat itself, no stress on the syllables waheguru. it just fast and continuous like a chain. So if I direct with breathing I feel like it comedown and joint with the breath and merge but no longer fast and continuous as now "I am" controlling it. If I direct to heart , then my right palm will be place on the heart the simraan start but the heart become "heavy '. As Harsharan state above if I just follow the Simraan without doing anything you feel you are running with it and fly with it. ( Mauj )

No I have not heard naad yet.... Any sign to look for?

The next overlapping stage is for wahe-guru jap to be in rom rom.......I'm not sure if you've tried this or not.

perhaps not yet. as still can't distinguish with rom-rom and ajapa japa yet.

Just continue doing his sift salaah,singing his praises all day long

Love too but commitment to work, family, taking care oneself eg. health etc will break the bonding.

Waheguru bless

To Harsharanjee

what is there to fear about?

it is not the fear but my question was what if, it is ajapa jap, what is next to expect ( sign, etc to look for) or that I must do as the naam is repeating on its own. Do I have to "tap" it.

If He has blessed you with ajaapa jap, then stay there as much time as possible in that state.... Havent´you seen or read of rishis staying in that state for days, even months?

You see, when you stay in that state, one is like a baby in His arms. No hunger, no thirst, no pain, no sufferings, no karmas, mind or kal can interfere in those moments...what else do you want man? It is the most blissful state.

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From your post I perceive, you are like a child learning to walk in spirituality.

Do not fear, with His Simran, you are holding His hand, now your next step should be to make yourself stronger in this field, so that in due time, you will not only walk or run fast, but even fly within, in the subtle spiritual planes, without you noticing it..

Once there, pray to Him sincerely, so that He may give you His Darshan, and guide you further until His Dham Sach Khand.

In my opinion, that is all you have to do, nothing more. But at the same time thank Him with your heart, for being so Dayal.

So now you tell us, what else if anything left that you think you have got to do?

Thanks for the advice especially to be in His mauj, I'll practice on it.

Sat Sree Akal.

Thank youjee for the nasihat.

Signs of Progress

The unbroken flow of sound created by weaving one mantra repetition into the next is a prelude to ajapa japa. With regular practice, the pace of repetitions will increase. Concentration will deepen. Repetition of the mantra will occur with an effortless momentum in your mind. The mantra will reverberate more rapidly than usual and will seem to continue in the background, even when other distractions occupy your mind. During this phase of practice the mantra whispers incessantly.

The mantra arises, stays for a time, and then moves on, much like a passing encounter with a friend on the street.

Another sign that you’re progressing toward ajapa japa is when your mantra begins to surface in your mind at unexpected times. The mantra may come to you while you are washing the dishes or driving. It happens without any real effort. The mantra arises, stays for a time, and then moves on, much like a passing encounter with a friend on the street.

Eventually, a time comes when you can hear the mantra sound whenever you like, simply by closing your eyes and relaxing. Ajapa japa becomes a deep source of peace and calmness—a center of well-being.

Dear Sanggatji

is this ajapa jap when simran of waheguru starts automatically without my awareness, that is, I am in my thoughts unrelated to simraan eg working, driving etc. It is fast simraan. Does not follow the flow of breath or others rituals. But once i focus on the simraanI will stay for short while listening then I am off to my thoughts. I feel the simraan is coming from the above my throat. Sometimes when I swallowed my saliva I realized that Simraan is ongoing and I remembered Sat1176ji mentioned previously about sweet saliva during simraan. It is not saliva but more like phlegm (coming from above the throat). Sometimes if do with mouth open (breathing through mouth) the simraan is very rapid.

note: the Simraan sometimes come at unexpected time and place eg when one is doing toileting. I have to stop the simraan as I was told it is not clean. Sometimes right after sex, very rapid.

Thus my question is, is the example above 'ajapa jap"? if it is what I am suppose to do next when the simraan start? What is next level to do. please help.

Char padarath, je ko mange

Sadh jana ki, seva lage ||

Char padarth are known as:

1. Dharam - Discipline. Understanding of his or her duties i.e virtues(Ethics)

2. Arath - Assets. he or she has no shortage of money, precious metals, pearls etc & has obtained the desired wealth.

3. Kaam - Desire. His or her all desired gets fulfilled from marriage to children.

4. Moksh - Liberation. He or she attains emancipation.

After reading the above pankti it just seems like marg of sadh jana ki seva is also parvan in Sikhi. Now main question comes down to, what is context of seva of sadh jana in this above pankiti? is it simply doing seva of singular sadh? or is it doing seva of everyone seeing jot of sadh/murshid in everyone? or above pankiti means seva of sadh sangat/sat sangat.

Please discuss..!

I have been following the principles of "char pandarath" as path of my life philosophy for many years now. I believe that this Shabads from Sukhmani sahib is for practical living. Thus my definition for Char pandarath ( as I had read somewhere many years ago) is akin to one doing ardas to Waheguru seeking his blessing. My definition as per doing ardas are :-

a. to seek Oneness with Waheguru. I seek for naam simraan that enable us to be "ek.."

b.to bless me with Absolute Faith in Waheguru. That I will not weaver. That I have faith that HE will deliver. Similar to Law of Attraction.

c. Fulfillment of one desire. let your desire known to Him. Once done that be detach. avoid moh.

d. to be in or one being in abundance: be it in assets or naam, business results, sales etc. (satisfaction)

The above definition "may" have been modified as to my own experiences as life progress or change.

To achieve the above pandaraths then One must do :-

"Sadh jana ki, seva lage ||"

I used to believe as what the above threads have defined that sadh are spiritual enlightenment souls. In fact i used to do the sewa for certain Babas but I was not getting any "ummmps" feeling for the pandarat as I define above. Then one day it just occurred when I combine with Guruji 'wand ke sankana' that the sadh here means anyone that I came into contact daily be it family, neighbours, clients, etc by providing value into their life. Value is something beyond my normal duty or roles. Value here means we share ( or "wand") with someone that he really appreciate it. As saying in Sikhi " sab wich Waheguru vasanda" therefore everybody is a Sadh.

Thus this my definition and part of practical living.

In December, 2005, the then President of India, Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam, nominated the author of this article as the Member of the Court of BHU for a period of three years (2006-2008).

'The author of this article.." that means you, amar_jkp?

Live recording from 31st October 2014:

https://soundcloud.com/veermanpreet/31st-oct-2014-veer-manpreet-singh-jatha-live-at-ealing-gurdwara

Thanks Sat1176. This is beautiful simraan and kirtaan. At time 1:24:00.

Mahela 3

aapae saevaa laaeian aapae bakhas karaee

sabhanaa kaa maa pio hai aapae saar karaee.

naanak naam dhiaaein thin nij ghar vaas hai jug jug sobhaa ho2 [2] .

Sikhs today are obsessed with inserting abrahamic-style dogma into Sikhism. Discuss.

People are always going on about 'right & wrong', using 'where is it written' as an argument, our translations are all pushing an agenda by adding words that were not there in the original text, speaking of 'Lord & God' and referring to this 'God' in the context of 'His' being an imaginary buffoon in the sky interfering with and involved with our everyday lives yet separate from us á la Christianity and Islam.

Why the ignorance? Why the obsession with using misleading words which only work in an Abrahamic context? Those of us who understand the original word can fill in the gaps but the uneducated 'yoof' can read only the english and can understand only in an Abrahamic context. Essentially could they even be considered to be Sikhs? They're not learning or following the original teaching so what are they? Who is their Guru? The translator at Sikhitothemax?

All over this forum people talk about God in an abrahamic context, people talk of God giving you things, of God as an exogenous creator of the universe, as God as a punisher and judge.

The real truth contained in Sikhism comes from the emphasis on formlessness and lack of dogma so why are the western Sikhs obsessed with turning it into an Abrahamic mess of rules, rigidity, bigotry, guilt-tripping, mindless offence-taking at everything. When did we become catholics?

The first line in Guru Sahib is 'Ik Onkar'. That contains all the knowledge you need to know. There is only one. There is no 'you' or 'me', all 'creation' is illusion. A tree or a bucket or a dog or a human; ultimately there is no difference. There is only one.

If you think you exist as an individual, that is duality/manmat. Thinking that there is a separate God is duality/manmat. Thinking like the church tells you to that you are a 'sinner' is duality/manmat.

Newsflash - SIKHS ARE NEITHER MUSLIM, NOR HINDU, NOR CHRISTIAN. Educate yourselves.

Cases in point:

Generated randomly by Sikhitothemax

Where is this 'Lord' coming from? Is there a lord mentioned in the original? No.

Where is this 'God' coming from?

What is this 'soul'?

What??

Sikhs today are obsessed with inserting abrahamic-style dogma into Sikhism. Discuss.

People are always going on about 'right & wrong', using 'where is it written' as an argument, our translations are all pushing an agenda by adding words that were not there in the original text, speaking of 'Lord & God' and referring to this 'God' in the context of 'His' being an imaginary buffoon in the sky interfering with and involved with our everyday lives yet separate from us á la Christianity and Islam.

Why the ignorance? Why the obsession with using misleading words which only work in an Abrahamic context? Those of us who understand the original word can fill in the gaps but the uneducated 'yoof' can read only the english and can understand only in an Abrahamic context. Essentially could they even be considered to be Sikhs? They're not learning or following the original teaching so what are they? Who is their Guru? The translator at Sikhitothemax?

All over this forum people talk about God in an abrahamic context, people talk of God giving you things, of God as an exogenous creator of the universe, as God as a punisher and judge.

The real truth contained in Sikhism comes from the emphasis on formlessness and lack of dogma so why are the western Sikhs obsessed with turning it into an Abrahamic mess of rules, rigidity, bigotry, guilt-tripping, mindless offence-taking at everything. When did we become catholics?

If you think you exist as an individual, that is duality/manmat. Thinking that there is a separate God is duality/manmat. Thinking like the church tells you to that you are a 'sinner' is duality/manmat.

Newsflash - SIKHS ARE NEITHER MUSLIM, NOR HINDU, NOR CHRISTIAN. Educate yourselves.

Cases in point:

Generated randomly by Sikhitothemax

Where is this 'Lord' coming from? Is there a lord mentioned in the original? No.

Where is this 'God' coming from?

What is this 'soul'?

What??

RagnarokJi, I agree with you on this debate. I had difficult time in interpreting gurbani shabads. I used to reads gurbani and it english translation eg from Manmohan Singh's version. The word like 'Lord and Master" do confused a beginner like me then. I was looking at gurbani on waheguru attributes from the english version of translation to understand my gurbani. Why can't we use the word Waheguru for the english translation instead of Lord Master.

Case in point is there is difference in interpretation of the word "ALLAH" among the Muslim and the Christian in Malaysia.

a Very Brief Factual Background

it has been sometimes now that the the non-Muslim in Malaysia cannot uses the word 'Allah". Meanwhile the Christian are upset about it as they are using the word "Allah" in their malay- language bible for the local who can't speak other language ie. chinese, tamil or english. Malay is an official language for Malaysia and majority of them who speak this language are malay who are muslim. However there are other indigenous people from the state of Sabah and Sarawak (Borneo) who are christian but speak malay language.

The Christian Church prepares bible and other publication in malay and refer to God as 'Allah". (actual malay word for God is "Tuhan").

The Muslim objected on this matter. The Government have siezed the bibles and had banned publication of christian journals as it contained the word "Allah".

The Christian are upset and told the authorities that the word Allah had been used by the Christians in Arab for thousand of years and both in Indonesia and Malaysia for many years.

However, the Muslim on the other hand argued among others that the word Allah used by the Muslim refer to one Supreme God. When a Muslim pray to Allah he think of that One Allah with all the attributes as in Quran and Hadith. However for Christian, the Muslim argued, their concept of God is trinity, that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit that is not as same as the Muslim interpretation of Allah. It is simply Allah. the meaning "Lord" in Christian world refer to Jesus and Allah is not Jesus but prophet. Thus if allow by the Christian to do so it will cause confusion among the muslim.

Back to our Topic:

the reason I brought up the above facts is to illustrate as what mentioned by Ragnarok:-

Sikhs today are obsessed with inserting abrahamic-style dogma into Sikhism. Discuss.

People are always going on about 'right & wrong', using 'where is it written' as an argument, our translations are all pushing an agenda by adding words that were not there in the original text, speaking of 'Lord & God' and referring to this 'God' in the context of 'His' being an imaginary buffoon in the sky interfering with and involved with our everyday lives yet separate from us á la Christianity and Islam.

Why the ignorance? Why the obsession with using misleading words which only work in an Abrahamic context? Those of us who understand the original word can fill in the gaps but the uneducated 'yoof' can read only the english and can understand only in an Abrahamic context.

Case in point the translation and the meaning of "Waheguru". Many times I have seen that many Sikhs' writers try his best to explain the meaning of Waheguru. Their explanation or translation accommodating and pleasing the readers of different faiths. If the writer is in western world his definition and translation will be tend to lean more to Abrahamic way of interpretation eg Lord and Master. If he is in India then the translation of the word will be more toward hindunazation such as Parbrahams, Parmathma etc.

Why can we introduced the word Waheguru or Ek Ong kaar as meaning of God as stated by Ragnarok

" The first line in Guru Sahib is 'Ik Onkar'. That contains all the knowledge you need to know. There is only one. There is no 'you' or 'me', all 'creation' is illusion. A tree or a bucket or a dog or a human; ultimately there is no difference. There is only one.

this bring back to my topic on interpretation of "Allah" as by the Muslim. They are very strict that the word Allah must be uttered and used by Muslim. This because only Muslim knew the actual interpretation of the Allah from Quran and Hadidt. The christian just corrupt the word Allah into trinity. Similarly as Sikh we just translate as how a Sikh understand from the meaning as explain by Guru ji in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and others Granths. Be srtict as how Muslim insist to use the word God with Allah in their interpretation and translation.

Otherwise the Sikh child whose exposure to western understanding of Christianity or hinduism from India will interpret banies from Christian or hinduism point of view to understand gurbani.

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Just curious where does "sikh" come from?

From the mouth of my Satcha Patshah Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji to my ancestor while listening to Guruji Maharaj katha on that one evening in Punjab. No where else. My ancestor only understand that my Guru ji call him "Sikho...". My ancestor was not interested to know why or where did the word Sikh came from. He was excited that Guru ji Maharaj called him "mera gursikho...." He did not have time to sit and pondered what is sikh but was immersed in love with Guruji vicchar on that day and become a gursikh. So the word Sikh came from the Guru to his student in Punjab.

thanks Satji. Veerji voice can really make one go into bharaig even though I am busy preparing my work and not 100% listening to the shabad.

At last Malaysian sanggat are able to watch this movie starting from tomorrow. thanks to Malaysian Gurdawara Councils and Sikh Naujawan Sabha Malaysia.

We should really find Sikhs to sell Hindu culture to the sikhs themselves, I think work on that is in full swing.

One can watch it happening in tv series eg Zee Tv. A sikh family doing haavan, arti,karuvvha chaut and praying to a idol. to top on that the more juicy one is shown during rehraas time.

Bachke raho!!! Tandoori Singh dan tandoor kosa toh tattha hoh giah !!.

Interestingly the same sign/design in gurmuki is also found in the danger sign in Malaysia. Thanks to Sher for the "Bohat'. I thought some chinaman sign-maker had corrupted some alien language with punjabi..

I am 49 years plus and I do not have tooth decay or any of the tooth problems... ( yet) . My diet is is normal punjabi malaysian diet and I am addicted to 'teh tarik' a sweetned condensed Milk tea. Therefore I am entitle to speak my remedy, which could be none of the above suggestion, for a strong healthy teeth and a strong gums with a half century experience :-

a. having a bad habit of grinding teeth but not regular.( this could strengthen the gums and the teeth);

b. was doing weights (body building);

c. using hard bristle( or medium hard,) while brushing my teeth after breakfast , this brushing is done with medium force when the hand push the brush against the teeth/gums. I guess the force strengthen it.

d. being using one brand of toothpaste only since I remember..when I was 3 years old.

what is your time for an amritvela? my workable suggestion:-

1. drink a lot of water an hour before sleeping... later after midnight you need to discharge the water ...

2. sleep 6 hours before the desire time with light dinner preferably before 7 and low on carbs.

3. if next to mosque .. the azan do help.

4. put the alarm clock or phone in the bathroom or out of the bedroom door.

5. as you lay on your bed just tell your mind absolutely and playfully that I want to get up at x am; and

if all the above failed, do ardas to Waheguru that purpose of getting up and while doing ardas must not have a slight drop of doubt.

Hello everyone,

I know that the main purpose of Nam simran is merger with God. However, if one does Nam simran to come out of some problem or for some other selfish reason etc, is that appreciated?

Dear Lunalon,

This is my very brief opinion, answering from a different angle.

The answer is WITHIN your self. What problems do I face? What goals do I desire? Your Self is your consciousness [ it is at your command] If you feel that what you desire is selfish [ it is for your own purpose [and does not come within the Wand ke shaakana] your ardas or faith is definitely not 100% as you may have doubt of the achieving the goal, resulting the "prayers" not being " appreciated".

So if one has problems or desire[ TASK] for something, then have an absolute faith ( do not let a drop of doubts or indecisive) that the task has been or being completed by your Creator/Lord Master. Show your gratitude to Waheguru for placing you in the said circumstances that allow you to perform the task ( doing it frequently) . Once you done it believe that it will be done and move on and act as it is.

Now in the beginning you will feel that people will think you are selfish. Remember ,this is your feeling and your conscious [ from past memory recording is playing to you]. Ignore this.

What you are doing is creating a new self image, self respect and self esteem for your self . As you keep thanking Waheguru for His grace and resolving your problems simultaneously you increase your Faith in Lord. As Harsharan said you may stop calling it selfish as you are moving toward One ( this is Japji Sahib's 5 Khand come into play) . Your own result will show you whether your "prayers" is being appreciated. "seek Within and not without".

Combine your task/problems or desire with your Simraan during," amritvela sach naa-o vadi-aa-ee veechaar" . The veechaar here means to me as praising Him for gratitude for He has been giving and giving. It will sound flimsy in the beginning or guilty or selfish but soon later you will realized that this is a visualization with His grace. The word selfish will just whittle away.

One problem I have with the general argument outlined above is that when we compare the reaction of females in other communities, which are arguably even more suppressive than our own to women (lets say certain Muslim communities), I don't see the level of subversion alluded to above being demonstrated by those females.

How can this be explained?

it is the education that have been instill during the childhood to accept the "teaching". Eg. in Muslim, women , it have been taught that a child must not be disobedience (derhaka) to their parents. Similarly a wife must not be disobedience to her husband. the punishment will be that her prayers will not be accepted by God. Her place afterlife will be in hellfire. These kind of "education" are been taught repetitively over until it become part of the subconscious mind. I had an employee, a lawyer, who was told to accept her husband desire to have a second wife. If she does she will be rewarded with golden umbrella at next life while waiting for judgment day. She was willing to accept due to the teaching. She find nothing wrong with the husband request.That's their teaching and acceptance, nothing wrong until a liberal thinker tell these women it is wrong and disturb the paradigm!

How can this be explained?

do we still need this part of the ardas on Nankana sahib which has separated from the Panth? there are Sikhs in Pakistan, thus how do the Pakistani Sikhs felt when they uttered this part of the Ardas? Can the Ardas be cahnge to suit current circumstances of Sikhee worldwide?

O Immortal Being, eternal helper of Thy Panth, benevolent Lord bestow on the Khalsa the beneficence of unobstructed visit to and free management of Nankana Sahib and other shrines and places of the Guru from which the Panth has been separated.

in Japji Sahib / Mool Mantra context, the word 'Gur" is it referring to Guru or Waheguru Himself. To me when I read the whole mool mantra I feel the word refer to Guruji who through a Guru (his kirpa) that we will meet Waheguru. Am I right?

I converted to islam and im Proudddddddddddddd

Convert1ji,

as new convert, How was your fasting during the ramdhaan month? how was the experince? did you miss any? Are you doing the 5 prayers daily. I hope you didn't forget your zakat. Please do tell. Anyhow wishing you salam aidl fitri.

btw, many girls prefer bearded men. You know it IS possible to have a long beard and not have it unhygienic... upkeep, brushing, cleaning, applying oils etc are allowed. And I am not against tucking it up either though I don't like when guys put so much fixxo that they can't smile lol.

Yes seen the trend is changing here in Malaysia too. As for fixxo, as professional living in a country where majority of the people can't grow a beard especially dealing with the chinese, one must keep "neat" with fixxo. Use fixxo that had been blend with aloe vera, it has little "that" smell.

Wow........those are amazing pics !

Did you manage to get some sneaky shots inside ?

can't we take pictures inside? Why?

Fruitarian is a term that I coined referring to eating fruits from a tree. Yes you can pluck the fruit from the tree itself. Here the Tree want you to spread her seeds and in return she reward you with a nutrition fruits. [Just like the master feed the dog for a reward!] Wonder who is the dog.

I am vegetarian for the last 6 years. Within 3 years become diabetic ( 29!), high triglycerides, belly from 33 inches to 38 (in 2 years) and now hovering between 42 to 43 inches. and having angina. breathlessness, slow, can't pick up things from the floor and mata tekh... just loved the mata tekhing and wish guru ji lift me up!

Before being a vegetarian, I was active, able to getting up at amritvela, exercising & weights, etc. Diet consist of tuna fish, white eggs, meat.

Currently toying with the idea whether shall I revert to meat eating (high protein low carb/no carb diet). However the only thing that is putting stop is whether one will loose the auto-naam simraan and certain babae had put a fear, "eat and you suffer now and afterlife" .

wonder which is important: remain a vegetarian and suffer your body ( which give mental stress and unpeace spirit) or eat meat and suffer in your after life?

Congratulation!! You are father to a beautiful princess. When she turn 3 you will be her first charming Hero or Super hero whenever she is in "distress'" . When she turn 6 you will be her first "boyfriend" she will show off to her friends. Have you done the Janam Sanskar/ name giving?