SatpalM

https://www.sikh24.com/2015/08/05/hindu-extremists-raise-anti-sikh-slogans-target-sikh-shopkeepers-in-sirhind/#.VcZJbZfeK3E

Huh!

Well I never.....................

Oops

"I have never read any of his books"

Too quick judgement for someone who hasn't read the books.

Which pretty much sums up this thread and the news article. I doubt the author bothered to check his sources and neither did the posters.

Move along now, time to quickly judge the next thing, and the next thing.

How patronizing can you get? I will 'move along ' and 'judge' if and when the need to do so arises and you don't have any say in it! You are not here to tell people what to do. So blatantly rude.

One has to be totally crazy to read his books anyways replete with right wing hindutva hateful fascist ideology? Are you crazy?

Hmm..

Sarey Jahan se accha Cyber Coolistan hamara !

Indian progress

From This

To this

The only difference now is that they even take on the white man's names. At least as real coolies they were still Gangu and Laloo now they are Gaary and Loouie!

Or Lulu! (as in the British singer)

They are still doing the CHAMCHAGIRRI as you would say it in hindi.

Your attitude is very offensive. Is there a competition in progress to see which country is the 'Rape Capital of the World?' If there is one no one is aware of it. In India there have also been rape incidents involving western tourists and it is not a nice to thing to say lets have a competiton to find out which country is the capital in this crime. Instead of showing sympathy towards the victims you have chosen to be insulting and derogatory in all your comments. Your bad attitude can be sensed by reading your posts. Your comments are enough to tell me what kind of a horrible person you must be in real life. You have no decency to treat the whole matter with sensitivity or kind words. The reason rape incidents are so common in India against those poor helpless women is because of people like you who lack sympathy and insight into what a serious crime this is. You are suppose to accept this problem first then do something to stop it from happening so regularly in India. If you keep making fun and ignoring it you are not doing anything towards stopping it. For this you need strength of character and courage. You don't seem to have either. Why do you need to blow your trumpet about your great history whether it is authentic or not if you can't even sit down and think about the seriousness of this crime? What is the point of having knowledge about your past history if you have not learnt anything from it? Education is suppose to teach us how to deal with our problems and not brush them under the carpet. India needs to sort its problems out and there is no need to show off and compare it with the world's number one country whether it is in terms of its economy or social mobility. I do think India is not what you claim it to be.

Martin, you have also noticed the tone in which this idiot has responded to the whole issue reported by the newspaper? This foolish person does not realize it is not what you say it is how you say something that counts. There was no need to compare India with the USA on this issue. It does appear as though this person is implying some kind of competition and it is so repulsive to see the way he/she responded so quicky with comments regarding the achievements of his fellow Indians.

I would agree his/her behavior is tactless and insenstive. There is also very good evidence this person has insight deficit too!

Shocking! Hang on a second, aren't the hindus blathering on about how brave and noble their ancestors were? How their kingdoms extended from one end of the earth to the other end of it? So, what went wrong that they now have resorted to raping young helpless women? I always knew how dirty and filthy these hindus were. You can judge from the language they use when dealing with challenging situations and are unable to handle them like a normal human beings. I think this piece of news has really embarrassed them so much they have left the forum with their tails tucked between their legs. they can't take it anymore!

They have done the disappearing act on us. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say!!

They say 'empty vessels make most noise' and here we have a good example. Nothing ever embarrasses them ever because they have no shame or self respect. If they did have any shame would they allow women being raped on such a scale? Would they have the world's dirtiest and filthiest slums in their country? Would they have poor people going to sleep at night without food? I once read an article about their knowledge of hygiene and the person said they would score 0/100 for hygiene and cleanliness. Have you ever seen a good looking hindu man or a woman? I haven't.

They have done a disappearing act because this topic challenges them of their ability to deal with present day issues. Issues such as child labor, rape incidents, poverty, lack of indoor toilet facilities in every household, illiteracy on massive scale, corruption, no medical health facilities and I read they don't even have any dental facilities either in their country.

They are so ignorant and foolish to realize if it wasn't for the western industrial countries they will still be living in the little holes with the rat population unable to feed themselves or their families and forget about sending their children to schools.

They should forever be thanking us for outsourcing our jobs to them where they are living at a pay scale which is akin to peanuts. Because of their uncontrolled birth rate due to lack of birth control facilities their population provides cheapest labor ever for our countries. So, they are still the slaves of our powerful western democracies. They will never be free from slavery. They are totally deluded if they think they have progressed. Their society has fragmented and soon the unit of their family will also disappear along with their stone age values and customs and traditions.

They have tasted the money for the first time in their lives which is paid by our countries even if it is peanuts. They have become too big for their boots. Their boots have become too small to contain their newly earned money.

"LYNCH MOB USE BUTCHER'S MEAT CLEAVER TO CASTRATE RAPIST THEY CAUGHT ATTACKING TEENAGE GIRL IN ALLEYWAY IN INDIAN CITY."*

I have refrained from posting the whole news article because of graphic images.

*STEVE HOPKINS FOR DAILYMAILONLINE

She was always eyeing the good looking men according to the latest information posted on her! If she couldn't bed them she shot them!!!

Amazing how dumb this fella is.

Indira Gandhi: Woman of India's Destiny

By Je Varalakṣmi, Varalakshmi Jnapathy - page 165

Indira Gandhi

By Meena Agarwal - page 31

Indira Gandhi: A Biography

By Pupul Jayakar - page 117 (page 118 also confirm the marriage was solemnised acc to Hindu rites)

...and many other books.

Amazing how you have blinkers on your eyes to prevent startling by some torturous facts posted on this forum about the most famous strumpet in the world! No one is denying she was the destiny of millions of disadvantaged people of India. She was and still is the cause of their grinding poverty, their illiteracy and lack of proper housing and medical facilities. She is the founder of slums of India. What's more, her dad was also and always eyeing others' women. It ran in the family. Disgusting legacy. So come off your racecourse and stop whipping yourself with a leather belt and remove those blinkers and taste the 'tarkha' I say! Perhaps it's not the 'tarkha' you want to taste but fresh green green grass of western countries. I doubt if you have this luxury in India where everything edible is diluted!!

whatever Indira may or may not have been, she was not a coward and did not flinch when confronted by two gun-wielding namak-harams.

She was always eyeing the good looking men according to the latest information posted on her! If she couldn't bed them she shot them!!! That was the real reason for her not flinching because she was too desperate for it!

Wow!! The woman was a real wh.....! I say, she was a very busy woman! No wonder the country went to dogs with her behaving like a harlot. So now the big question is who are the two brats she brought into this world. Who are their real fathers?

again... such ignorant idiots. Indira was married to a Parsi Firoz Gandhi acc to the sanatani rites and not a Muslim Feroz gandhi.

She was a muslim because she married a muslim. Nehru, the toppi wala could not accept this fact. He went running to that owl faced Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi crying for help. The clever clogs helped him by telling him to tell his little harlot to change her surname to 'ghandhi' and that consider Feroze Khan as his adopted son. So to translate all this into a fairly simplified language so you can comprehend it, Mr Feroze Khan became Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi's adopted son and as his adopted son he took his surname.

Comprende?

Does this change the fact that Indira was your personal Chandi?

While you are at it could you write a few things about Sarkar E Khalsas sex life?

How can she be a anyone's 'personal Chandi?' What's the matter with you? Can't you read the information regarding her which has been posted so very kindly by one of the forum members? Have you become dyslexic all of a sudden? She was a big time ha....!

Organ stealing? You should speak to the Chinese about that.

Its not my fault you can't produce kids. Maybe some ancient auryvedic medicine an help. We also have something for that sister marrying thing you have going on.

You have really missed the point. You really come across as a mother of all thickos.

again... such ignorant idiots. Indira was married to a Parsi Firoz Gandhi acc to the sanatani rites and not a Muslim Feroz gandhi.

Hey, I have never heard of a parsi Feroze Khan ever! What's happened, has someone's post made you feel uneasy by what they have said?

The truth of the matter is you know that emaciated gaunt looking man in a dhotti with round spectacles called mahatma gandhi? You know the one that slept with his daughter to establish he was free of lust? You know the one that always recited the mantra of 'Ram, Ram' with every breath and step? I am not sure if you are that well read. Well, anyway, he told Nehru the topi wala to give his wayward loose daughter Indira his surname so no one will find out her true and real identity that she was a muslim. He was not as stupid as he looked. He knew that 100 per cent of the Indian population was illiterate, and that includes you and your ancestors and there was no way they will find out living in their small little mud huts in dirty filthy villages. India's population was 100 per cent uneducated, uncivilized, uncouth rural at the time of independence. This is how no one ever knew the truth and that includes you.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/Mrs-Gs-String-of-Beaus/211174

Mrs G's String of Beaus

A new book chronicles Indira Gandhi's loves and gets rave reviews in the UK

Sanjay Suri, London

t's a brave biographer who will take on the subject of Indira Gandhi's sex life. The world, though, could have had a glimpse of it had M.O. Mathai, Jawaharlal Nehru's special assistant, not withdrawn the chapter titled 'She' from his autobiography My Days With Nehru. In it Mathai apparently claimed he had had an affair with Indira Gandhi for 12 long years.

Indira Gandhi's new biographer Katherine Frank (Indira: The Life of Indira Nehru Gandhi; HarperCollins is to be released in India next month and has already received rave reviews in Britain) believes she and Mathai were probably lovers.

Frank blames Indira Gandhi's extra-marital affairs on her husband's philandering.

Frank, who seems to have read 'She', says it would have been unprintable anyway.

The new biography is indeed a remarkable story of the woman in Indira, controversially focusing on her intimate side—from her first love, a German teacher at Shantiniketan, to her long pre-marital relationship with Feroze Gandhi and then Mathai, Dinesh Singh and Dhirendra Brahmachari.

Frank dwells at some length on the rumours of Indira Gandhi's affairs with "none other than her father's squat and moon-faced secretary, M.O. Mathai." She writes: "Admittedly it was Mathai himself who was the primary source of these rumours. He boasted openly of his liaison with Nehru's daughter, both at the time and for many years after."

Frank, however, says there was "definitely a certain attraction" between them, quoting Nehru's biographer Sarvepalli Gopal to say that "Indira Gandhi encouraged him beyond normal limits." She also says that 'She', which Mathai withdrew, surfaced in the Eighties, five years after Mathai's death, "when Indira's estranged daughter-in-law Maneka Gandhi circulated it among a small group of Indira's enemies".

Frank writes: "The 'She' chapter contains such explicit material that even if Mathai had not suppressed it, it is doubtful whether his publishers would have taken the risk and proceeded to publish it.

While Brahmachari was the silent lover, Dinesh Singh had no qualms about playing up rumours of an affair.

Mathai describes Indira as 'highly sexed' and includes among other salacious details the claim that she became pregnant by him and had an abortion." A disillusioned Mathai had a strong motive to lie but Frank says that people who knew them well, "including B.K. Nehru, who is a reliable source and no enemy of his cousin (Indira), feel that the 'She' chapter contains more fact than fiction".

So open was their relationship that in 'She' Mathai claims to have been afraid that Indira's careless behaviour would alert her father. But "Delhi buzzed with rumours" about their relationship. In Parliament, Feroze Gandhi was teased that Mathai was Nehru's real son-in-law. "Indira, significantly, did nothing to quell the rumours of the alleged liaison," writes Frank.

Subsequently, Indira Gandhi wrote to Dorothy Norman, her lifelong confidante, that she had taken to yoga taught "by an exceedingly good-looking yogi"—Dhirendra Brahmachari. She wrote that "it was his looks, especially his magnificent body, which attracted everyone to his system." Dhirendra was probably no brahmachari: a raid on his ashram in Kashmir after the Emergency yielded, among other things, a vibrator! If she had a lover as prime minister it would have to be him. "Brahmachari was the only man to see Indira alone in her room while giving her yoga instruction, and he was the only male with whom she could have had a relationship during this period."

To her men Indira was quite a catch—and perhaps that's why they encouraged rumours about their relationships with her.Congressman Dinesh Singh had this tendency as much as Mathai. "Indira relied on Singh and conferred with him at all hours. Inevitably, there were rumours that he was her lover, rumours which Singh himself encouraged."

Frank suggests that Indira was provoked into extra-marital relationships due to the constant infidelity of Feroze Gandhi. Well into the marriage, Feroze "openly flaunted his affairs with other women, including the MPs Tarakeshwari Sinha known as 'the glamour girl of Indian Parliament', Mahmuna Sultana and Subhadra Joshi". His other girlfriends included "a beautiful Nepalese woman who worked for All India Radio and a divorcee from a high-caste Kerala family".

FRANK details the troubled relationship between Feroze and Indira. He proposed to her a month before her 16th birthday and was rebuffed because both Indira and mother Kamala said she was too young. Feroze seemed an unlikely match for Indira and an even more unlikely son-in-law to Nehru. He was "loud and passionate with a great appetite for life, including food, drink and sex".

Frank says rumours of an affair between Kamala and Feroze were also then the talk of the town. "Posters in fact had been put up in Allahabad proclaiming an improper relationship and the instigators of this smear campaign, which enraged Nehru who was in jail at the time, were not British sympathisers but members of the Congress party," Frank notes in her book.

And Frank doesn't put these rumours to rest either. Kamala strongly opposed a marriage between Indira and Feroze saying Indira would be making "the mistake of her life". So did Nehru. The biographer asks why and then offers an answer: "...Even if he (Nehru) had dismissed the idea that Kamala and Feroze had had an affair, it may have occurred to him that Feroze had behaved inappropriately towards Kamala."

But marry they did and through the troubled years found happiness often. But never more than before the marriage. The two were secretly engaged for four years and lived as man and wife long before they married. Living through the German bombing of London brought them closer.

But Feroze wasn't the first man Indira fell in love with. She was attracted to Frank Oberdof, a German who taught her French at Shantiniketan. "Oberdof declared his love for Indira and he probably loved her for herself, not for her family," Frank writes. Soon she was asked by her family to leave Shantiniketan, but "she did not want to leave the Abode of Peace, or possibly Frank Oberdof, or both," observes Frank. Then Tagore spoke to her and sent her off to Europe. Indira left reluctantly. Oberdof still "hovered in the wings" and later caught up with her in London, but Indira declined his invitation to join him in Germany for Christmas.

The biography is, however, more than the sexual diary of the Indira family. It portrays Indira as a far more sympathetic figure than the dictatorial leader she is often held out to be. Frank makes Sanjay, not Indira, the villain of the Emergency.

For Sanjay the emergency was "Open Sesame to power and money". Frank says he arranged for an underworld man, Sunderlal, to be murdered. Sanjay and Maneka then asked a Delhi official, Navin Chawla, to take anticipatory bail for his own arrest in that case—in short, to take the rap. "Understandably, Chawla refused," Frank writes. Sanjay also had another man murdered with whose girlfriend he had an affair. He did as he liked; it was the "emotional grip on his mother that was the source of his power".This makes the biography both poignant and controversial.

Wow!! The woman was a real wh.....! I say, she was a very busy woman! No wonder the country went to dogs with her behaving like a harlot. So now the big question is who are the two brats she brought into this world. Who are their real fathers?

YAWN

Are you feeling very sleepy all of a sudden? Why don't you have a good long sleep and forget about your miseries and miserable past. Go and help increase the population of your country that is all you all phallus worshipping hindus are good at, breeding like animals. Do you know how your population is growing every second of the day? It is exerting a lot of pressure on the world's resources and mother earth. It is also polluting the world environment like no one's business. If this is not possible then go steal someone's organs to sell so you can feed yourself and your family. See if you can steal someone's kidneys or eyes for some rich client or better still see if you can steal medical information of those people living overseas. You hindu bahamans are so disgusting and slimey, that no one should ever trust you lot. You are so good in deceiving and stealing that no one can match your disgusting skills. There is nothing more deceptive than a hindu!

Ah, I almost forgot to mention, if the above activities are not to your liking then I suggest try diluting everything that is suppose to be edible with inedible products, such as diluting milk with dirty water from the sewers, diluting your graram masaalas with horse manure etc. You hindus bahamans are so sick!

'hindustan' which has seen nothing but slavery from the times it ever appeared on the face of this earth!

what the hell you are trying to say here except denigrating the whole country with your supremacist non-sense. what do you know about Indian history?

One bloody mess on the entire world map!

is this not a racist attitude towards a country Gurus called home?

A mess where roads don't lead anywhere because of lack of road signs, no concept of cleanliness or hygiene, corruption on massive scale, no decent healthcare system, masses which are fat and lazy and the list goes on!

It's a mess where your parents come from and where most of your pendu tabbar still lives in. It's a mess NOW but till mid 18th century this mess was the richest country till your British masters looted it thoroughly. a fact corroborated by Angus Maddison in his book - The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective.

http://theunbrokenwindow.com/Development/MADDISON%20The%20World%20Economy--A%20Millennial.pdf

this Maddison table shows wealth changing hands (UK wealth rocketing in the start of 19th century while india (and China) struggling:

http://www.theworldeconomy.org/MaddisonTables/MaddisontableB-18.pdf

Read:The Wonder That Was India: A Survey of the Culture of the Indian Sub-Continent Before the Coming of the Muslims by A L Basham

Anyway, India is still listed as world's third richest country (by GDP) - http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/

It is definitely a rich country inhabited by poor people.

In fact, he is telling the ignorant masses what Muhammad Iqbal's 'hindustan' is capable of doing to its innocent and hardworking citizens who provide the bread basket for the rest of the lazy, slum loving, dirty filthy masses who have never seen a days hardwork in their lives and make their living by begging on the streets and stealing!!

if this is not racism what would be?

You are full of claptrap.

sIkhs are not responsible for committing heinous crimes of necklacing or creating the widow colony in delhi. Only those that subscribe to race/religion supremacy thinking will carry out these actions. So your calling the sikhs supremacists or racists is nothing but crap. The ones that attacked the Golden Temple and the Akaal Takhat are the real racists and supremacists.

The roads and the rest business.........................................................is totally true. Only the rich are getting richer in this so called 'rich' country! It is so shocking to see no decent clean roads anywhere with properly calculated distances to tell the travellers how far is their destination. Old women begging on the streets of Agra and children following you everywhere just for two cents. You call this a rich country, shame on you! So there is no need to attack anyones parents by hurling insults at them by calling them 'penddu.' Sikhism teaches us not to disrespect our parents.

Your racist attitude towards the British and what they did in India is due to your own fault. In fact, they civilized hindustan by introducing the railways, world class education system, proper western style toilets, civilized legal system by doing away with Manu's laws!! Hindustan was a better place to be in during the British rule. As soon as that nehru guy took over hindustan has been on the decline ever since.

Judging from your comments and rude language it seems you are the RACIST one here. Karma has pointed out the truth same as the Giyanni ji has and it appears your way of handling this truth is by using rude and crude language and accusing them for being racist or supremacists, when it is really you that is the original and absolute RACIST here who has been reading too many supremacist ideologies.

You are so racist which makes you a threat to all the minorities living in hindustan today.

You are a Racist de facto! Judging from the way you have conducted yourself in your posts there is no doubt about it. End of.

Maskeen ji is a highly distinguised and noteworthy personality in the entire sikh world. He has definitely hit the nail on its head by delivering this speech. Dates are insignificant. His message is as pertinent now as it was then.

Your sentence in punjabi has been dealth with in this video, if you care to listen to him attentively.

Truth hurts. I salute maskeen sahib ji for exposing the lying, scheming and conniving natures of those involved in destroying the sikh identity within Muhammed Iqbal's 'hindustan' which has seen nothing but slavery from the times it ever appeared on the face of this earth!

One bloody mess on the entire world map! A mess where roads don't lead anywhere because of lack of road signs, no concept of cleanliness or hygiene, corruption on massive scale, no decent healthcare system, masses which are fat and lazy and the list goes on!

There is nothing 'sick' about what he is saying. In fact, he is telling the ignorant masses what Muhammad Iqbal's 'hindustan' is capable of doing to its innocent and hardworking citizens who provide the bread basket for the rest of the lazy, slum loving, dirty filthy masses who have never seen a days hardwork in their lives and make their living by begging on the streets and stealing!!

Maskeen sahib ji is a well read profound thinker of our times so there is no match for his wonderfully gifted mind. There is no match. His words live on.

Don't worry the masses are still ignorant,so shameful. They will never change. They are put there for the benefit of the rich can't you see? When I was in Calcutta someone said the poor are poor because of their bad karams in previous births. I asked him what does he mean by that and he said they must have been evil in their past life and they are now paying for it. I was gobsmacked and I said to him if he believes in karams does he not think that he can do a good karam by helping to improve their situation? He just stared at me with a blank expression.

No one goes and sorts out the slum dwellers with an offer of better lives, so disgraceful. This country does not respect anyone so forget about respect. It is the slavery that has made this country the way it is. People are still backward.

It is really disheartening to see how they hate to hear the truth. Basically they are all liars and corrupt and conniving as you say in your post.

Te bacholla kaun c, patta kush?

Pertinent message ...

please elaborate. Do you subscribe to the 'four (now seven) decades of atrocities on Sikhs' rant? If yes, you need to give some evidence.

lying, scheming and conniving natures of those involved in destroying the sikh identity within Muhammed Iqbal's 'hindustan'

whom are you talking about, come straight to the point if he did not have the courage to use the H word, what is stopping you? and what is the 'Sikh identity' anyway?

...which has seen nothing but slavery from the times it ever appeared on the face of this earth!

which part of India you are talking about, is it Punjab? shall we discuss which part of India has been under the foreign (or their india born prgenies) rule for the longest? which part has been invaded, defeated the most?

...masses which are fat and lazy and the list goes on!

disgusting way to describe the beloved land of the Gurus. Anyway, only a rich person can be fat and lazy. poor does not have such luxuries. going by your perverse logic, Hindustan/India (exc Punjab lets say) 40 % of indian pop is below poverty line BPL.

...its innocent and hardworking citizens who provide the bread basket for the rest of the lazy, slum loving, dirty filthy masses who have never seen a days hardwork in their lives and make their living by begging on the streets and stealing!!

wow! what an outburst from a racist scum who forgot that the 'bread basket' brag would ring hollow but for the labor which comes from the lands where ppl make their living by begging.... this is disgusting! Is this person really claiming to be a human being (forget being a Sikh)? has he ever been to the lands where they walk kilometers just to get drinking water for the family? villages which are yet to see electricity poles?

no wonder maskeen is "well read profound thinker" for this ignoramus, racist low

Wow! Truth is excruciatinly painful. It hurts sooooooooo much.

Gianni ji has to be commended for stating what are well established facts. Everyone knows the hatread of hindus towards the sikh people. It is no secret. Going back to visit your pind does not have a good feeling anymore. Too many misssing family members without trace.

Pagg di beadbi common place. Too many sikhs in Indian prisons without fair trials.

Karma,

I don't think anyone is siding with anyone there. It is not really nice to see the video but the giani has clarified everything in his video. He is referring to the jatheybandian that might be responsible for this.

My wife started an organization where women could get together and organize a gurdwara with female impact and were successful. Although men participated too but it has more of a female impact on it. Both men and women are amritdarries and wear bana. Their children are also taught the importance of Amrit and Bana which they partake as they become more mature and sensible. They have a hall for the SGGS, a langar hall, an area allocated for children to play and also have gurmat classes and a wonderful separate room where they have a second SGGS with a notice outside the door ' Silence please,meditation/nam jap in progress.' It is the most peaceful place to go to and everyone there looks very civil.

My wife was born in Kenya and her parents also were born there. They have managed to keep the sikh faith free of violence and dogma. They have managed to keep up with the true essence of sikhism and the teachings of the 10 Masters. Majority of the congregation and their offsprings are devout sikhs with firm belief in themselves as sikhs and in their sikh faith and they don't resemble any congretation one encounters in majority of the sikh temples around the world. They have managed to educate the women to advance levels of knowledge and are able to preach in three languages ie swahilli, english and poonjabi.

One cannot fail to observe here in this place men behave like true gentlemen and the women behave like typical ladies! Their manners are sophisticated and their language is extremely polite. They follow a culture unique to their organization. It is neither Indian/ponjabi or western but has basis in the SGGS. Most of the women are also working in top positions in banks, hospitals, universities and so on. I have never witnessed any violence in this temple although there are men in the congregation too. Everyone is polite and considerate and most speak at least two languages fluently english and poonjabi with swahilli here and there.

I sometimes wonder why are these people so entirely different from the rest of sikh people that one sees in other temples all over the world.

This temple is actually situated in a building which used to belong to two families until they got together and decided to turn it into a place of worship. It is surrounded with open grounds with trees and shrubs for a walking nam jap practice. The congregation takes turns to keep everything clean and beautiful. You will also notice how well behaved the children are. They are all very proud of their sikh heritage and the sikh history. When you meet them they never fail to inform you of how their parents came to be born in Kenya and how they all visited Ponjab when they were children. Please don't get me wrong, they love visiting India even now to learn more about their own history and teach their children too. They are simply amazing bunch of nice good people who know exactly who they are and have firm and unshakeable confidence in themselves as sikhs. They are one very extremely proud bunch of sikh people I have ever met or known.

Let me also say this that one notices everyone here free from the disease of 'egotitis' although they all live in a predominantly white, modern western, countries. They have managed to keep their sikh faith alive side by side with modernity, this in my view is highly laudable. They participate in the western world but also participate in their inner search for God and communion with him. The only identity they refer to is their sikh one, there is no mention of any other identity or identities in this wonderful little place. The SGGS says remove the filth from the surface of your mind and see your true identity, which is the only identity a true sikh should have. The rest are all made up by the filth of the mind. It is a work of corrupt and lost mind.

I firmly believe women can organize and manage temples successfully by giving them a softer and more compassionate touch, which is a natural part of their female make up. Women also make vey good listeners so it reduces the element of violence and agression one encounters or reads about at sikh places of worship. They are also good with words so this gives chance to discussion rather than arguing and fighting which one finds has become the norm theses days.

I know there are number of small gurdwaras organized this way and they work very well. You find you can do walking simran in the grounds that surround these places. I went to one just recently and the sangat there was entirely different than the normal sangat you see in the other gurdwaras. They were much quieter there and no chatting was allowed in the langar hall.

How about spreading the message across the entire earth what a singh/singhani is suppose to be or look like? Half the times when you are travelling by air they view you with suspicion at the airports. In France life is not easy for someone who dons on a turban on his/her head! They are still murdering sikhs in countries like the USA. What is the point in having too many hot headed figures in the panth when they can't even protect or support their fellow sikhs in trouble.

Showing off and bragging about how many hours one trains at the local gym is not going to get us anywhere! We need deep thinkers and intelligent brains in the panth who can speak up about sikhism in public places and not become intimidated by challenges and uncertainties they may face in the modern world!

To be honest I have yet to come across such a one who can do all this. We desperately need deep and refined thinkers to take us forward.

Where do you propose we look for these 'deep thinkers' you keep mentioning in your post? The sikh religion does not comprise deep thinkers because its people are not strong enough about their own convictions in the Guru. In other words they have no confidence in the Guru or themselves. They question everything the Guru says so, how can they be fully grounded in who or what they believe? They are not firmly rooted and that is why the religion is taking a direction which is totally unpredictable and confusing.