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Bro, it is a historical event (Sri Hanumaan jee receiving a Kachera from Sri Ram Chander jee Maharaaj).

There is also a historical event associated with kara. Shivjee Maharaaj gave kara to his devotee, who was a demon. He had done Bhagtee of Shivjee Maharaaj.

Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, the fact that Sri Hanumaan jee was given a Kachera by Sri Ram Chander jee Maharaaj, is mentioned in Gurbani Path Darpan, which was written by Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale.

 

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Why would a female body be incapable of preparing 'nectar'? What is required that only a male can do and not a female? (I am kind of scared to ask now what's IN this nectar!)?  Please say it's nothing to do with a certain male reproductive ummm fluid?

And is this karmic punishment that she doesn't have this capability? 

And I know men can't give birth at least without medical science then it's possible and has happened before but men still do play the part that 50% of that child DNA is theirs.  So it doesnt really matter whos body takes care of gestation. As I said there has been a man who carried a child so it can be done by taking hormones and implanting an embryo and of course c-section is needed but may women also have c-section.  But I dont see how preparing a nectar for baptism would require a male parts unless those parts are somehow used in the process? (which again I am scared to ask).

But being female myself I am looking at how most religions place limitations on women. There is not one single religion I have found where women can do more than men or even the same amount of things as men. Its always men have one or two things they are allowed to do which women aren't.  I am trying to figure out if there is something to this claim that we are born with some kind of karmic debt and thats why we are given less privileges than men.  Like sometimes I feel this body is defective and I dont want to be female anymore and like God has punished me but if I am being punished then its hard because I dont know what I did wrong to be born in this body.

I was interested in reading more about sikhism because it says men and women are equal, but if there are any limitations that is not equal then? There is still an inequality putting women at a disadvantage especially if they cant be baptized without men? It means men are spiritually higher than us? 

Has Baba Gurbachan Singhs antaryami dreams of Panj Pyare being Bhagats incarnated been proven or documented?

You keep on with your 'lies', I'll keep on repeating my 'lies'.

Bikkie,

 

This is hardly sanatan propaganda. This is quite well known fact in the dals. This event was not only confirmed by this nihang singh in Canada but many singhs from dals not just budda dal who live in india as well. Why just because this event is passed around oral traditions, all of sudden is less credible than written in books, articles, news papers? I was just searching through online, came across kamalroop singh blog where he mentions, this is not only oral history of khalsa panth but its actually written out by the people who were in charge of priting press around that time.

 

This is what he writes. He is hardly sanatan, just surf through his blog. He is staunchly against nihang niddar singh and his followers and self invented word- sanatanism created by these people.

 

Anyway from his blog:

 

http://kamalroopsingh.blogspot.com/2009/08...-kaladhari.html

 

 

 

Thanks for the link you shared above, i ll read it throughly when i get some spare time.

 

Look, I have stated earlier on this very topic too that no single Sikh source is fully authentic. But when we pick the topic of Sehajdharis and quote from various sources, from various different times we can generally paint a picture about the concept of sahejdharis in Sikhi. I nowhere said that Sau Sakhi is acceptable, it contains the vilest and dumbest Sakhis BUT on the other hand it has the Mukatnama, Rehatnama and a few other Sakhis that have some value as 18th/19th century documents therefore we can't discard the whole source.

The earliest copy of Rehatnama Chaupa is 1764, so even if I discard the possibility that it might have been written in the Guru Darbar the reality remains that the oldest copy we have is from the mid eighteenth century which is a quite old source. Therefore if it mentions something it can at times be a valuable statement of our panth in the 1760s if not earlier.

anyways, TSingh on this forum earlier stated that sevapanthis were cleanshaven generally if I am not mistaken. He is quite an authority on the topic.

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Sahajdhari is not bound by outwards rehat. So he can be mona.

Stop with the usual lie that sahajdhari means slow adopter, how would  you explain people like Kanhaiya, Seva Ram and Gurbaksh Das dying as sehajdharis? 

I am not an opponent of Kes, search on this forum and you will see I have been defending Kes and saying Sikhs (most if not all) keep it since Guru Nanaks time. But we can't deny Sahajdharis existence.

If you start rejecting every source, then no single historical source will remain because ALL of them have things you won't agree with, most have been tampered with. Then where will you write your history from?
We have to READ all Puratan Granths, distill the good facts and form our view of history. How else are you supposed to know Gur and Sikh ithaas?
That way, we will read even the most interpolated Granths but take out facts and if they tally with several other sources then accept them after evaluation.

And stop being a phuddu, you call me out for quoting Sau Sakhi but this Paapi is quoting Desa Rehat which says you can drink sharab and what not. Do you give choopay before commenting on topics ? 

Chatangea, its written in Taksal book. You not having seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen; it is allowed in theory... 

And if showing logical fallacies make me stupid then proud to be stupid.

Again, 'it doesn't happen because I didn't see it'. Isn't that a stupid thing to say?

And yes, Sandhu did have 2 wives, the first one became Shaheed during Blue Star.

​Did you know that a Sikh killed another Sikh, during the times of seventh master and was forgiven by him?

Did you know that a Sikh (Baba Joga Singh jee) was about to go to a prostitute?

 

If yes, then why cannot Prophet Muhammad make a mistake in his life? I never said that he was perfect.
 

How do you know that Srimaan 108 Sant Baba Gurbachan SIngh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale, lied about Prophet Muhammed? It could be a true story.
 

Are you not being a hypocrite too? On one hand, you are saying that Prophet Muhammad looted and murdered and on the other hand, you are unable to digest the sakhi of the Prophet and the sadhu?
 

It is the duty of every Sikh to show respect to all other people, especially the spiritually enlightened ones, irrespective of their faith. A spiritually enlightened person, who has not reached Brahamgyan, can also make mistakes. That does not mean, we must stop respecting them for their good deeds.

Hypocrisy or giving due respect?

Bhul chuk maaf

​As long as they stay civilized, a Sikh should have no problem with Muslims preaching Quran. One can learn a lot from the Quran. It is a beautiful book.

Some Muslims might think that they are doing parupkaar (mercy) on others by telling them about their ethics and values. It is understandable.

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​Do you know, who has translated the above verses? This website seems to be a hate promoting website. Promoting hate is a big sin in Sikhism. Please refrain from posting from such websites, in the future.

Have you talked with an Islamic scholar, regarding the above mentioned verses?

There are certain tuks in Gurbani, that can also be misinterpreted.

For example,

ਜੋ ਸਿਰੁ ਸਾਂਈ ਨਾ ਨਿਵੈ ਸੋ ਸਿਰੁ ਕਪਿ ਉਤਾਰਿ ॥੭੧॥

The head which does not bow to the Lord - chop off and remove that head. ||71||

The above tuk can be easily misinterpreted, so as to mean, kill all the non-believers.

Bhul chuk maaf

Whatever

Bhai Gurbachan Singh DDT, happy?

​Again, can you please provide references?

​its to do with a hadith of the holy prophet of islam "when you have discovered the truth do not keep it concealed to yourself but reveal it to others."

​He was a holy man. There is no doubt about it.

Bhul chuk maaf.

You make sweeping statements that make no sense. You say "look into Mahankosh" as if refering to a 3000 page massive book is any form of argument - be more precise then and tell us which entry so we can look it up.

You still have not told us the names of the other writings in Indian languages?

Not a single pre-Guru Gobind Singh Gurmukhi source mention anything about kesh being kept by the early Sikhs. How come?

Which book by Dr. Ganda Singh ? He wrote dozens of books, please do tell us which one so I can look it up.

The quote above does'nt mention anything about keshdhari Sikhs. If it is mentioned elsewhere in the book please do scan those pages also so you can substantuate your arguments.

 

In Punjabi Bhagwati is pronounced as Bhagouti ..just like Kaur comes from Kunwar.

Punjab has been Shakt worshipping since ancient times and we find references like Chandigarh - the name of the city is derived from Goddess Chandi . Jalandhar is the name of the Rakhshas whom the Devi is said to have slain.

Dasam Bani has quotations to Markandey Rishi and clearly states " Sri Markandey Puraane" .

Amongst the Kshatris the Sword is belived to be the manifestation of the Goddess and just as in Sikh terminology we refer to the sword as Siri Sahib, the Kshatris referred the sword as Bhagouti/Bhagwati /Chandi which also considered in Sikhi.

The Saptshati Durga bani of Rishi Markandey is a detailed description of the manifestation of Devi Durga/Chandi/Bhagwati inspired by which Dasve Patsaah ji has composed Chandi di Vaar, Chandi Charitar Ukat Bilas , Chandi Charitar(small) .

The difference is ..Rishi Markandey gives a detailed description of the physical aspects of the Shakti ..Maharaj doesnt go into those details and gives a 'nichod' or concentrate of the Bir Ras ..

The Bani composed by Guru Sahib is in no way a word to word translation of Rishi Markandey's composition. Rishi Markanday has also laid stress on the bhagti aspect and Maharaj focuses on Bir Ras more .

Uggardanti and Bhagouti Ashtotar are Bir Ras Bhagti combinations .

 

I am saying this on the basis that i have done paath of Rishi Markandey's Saptshati as well as the Banis composed by Guru Maharaj.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The outrage committed by OBCs who are not much different from the Dalits. don't know what this sh*t stirrer is trying to prove​

​How is that not important? He highlighted a serious and terrible issue and you call him a 'sh*t stirrer'? Seems like this something you don't want attention to be brought to.

I believe they are doing the right thing...there is a limit to everything ...they are reacting to extremism which they see coming  from the muslims ...if they do not do this they will be like Afghanistan , Indonesia Malaysia those countries have to search the museums to find their Buddhist past .

Srilanka and Myanmar has some extremist boddhis. But their issue is (mainly) with Muslims, I wonder why its always Muslims vs the natives everywhere...

Since paapi, as usual, is polluting the other topic with his mindless and baseless allegations, this topic has been created. Solely for discussing the historical importance of Sahejdharis based on puratan granths, traditions and other information we have.

* Sevapanthi chiefs have always been sahejdharis. You can check their names from Bhai Kanhaiya onwards. They never became 'amritdhari'.

* Sant Gurbakh Daas was the head priest of KesGarh during the early 1700s (source: Mahan Kosh).

* Many other sahejdhari sikhs led congregations according to the remnant Hukamnmas of the Guru. In 1704, Mani Ram, a sahejdhari, was appointed as the head of congregation in Haryana (Hukamnama Guru Gobind Singh).

* Even Sau Sakhi says there are 3 type of Sikhs: khand, charan (non existent after 1708) and sahejdhari.

I have backed up my every claim by quotes & sources. Come back with historical proofs and don't quote Desa Singh Rehatnama because I am sure people like you drink sharab and then quote Desa Singh Rehat.