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Nrit (dance) is considered, as one of the Bhagtees. Nrit Bhagtee has not been accepted in Gurmat.

ਨਚਿਐ ਟਪਿਐ ਭਗਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥

By dancing and jumping, devotional worship is not performed.

ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਨਾਚਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥

O humble servant of the Lord, let your dancing be meditation on the Lord, Har, Har.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

then why akj wile doing simran act as they are dancing

sufi dance on the quranic verse. dance help them to meditate. i want to know can sikh also dance in meditation or not

i am sorry if i hurt anyones feeling. just want why they are doing simran like this. what is written is wrong beacouse it insults our panth.

Can sangat please share some practical ways, they use, to counter the attacks made by Krodh?

Thanks

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

do simran in gurumantra or read bani

to bring peace in panth we need only one rehat maryada and whole panth should follow only one maryada

Bro, we cannot discard all the literal meanings of Gurbani. There is tremendous amount of knowledge in them.

For example:

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥

- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

There are two more deeper meanings of the above tuks. If we only accept them, then the above akhree arth will be lost. But, the above akhree arth has a great instruction for us, which benefits our health.

There are many types of arths - Akhree, Bhav, Antriv, Dungay, etc. We need to accept all of them.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

bro but your tuk which misinterpreted by ddt whch arth is that

i love the song

gurbani is beyond literal meaning. papiman veerji please don't go to shabadarth see what is the bhava behind the shabad

i am not a keshdhari but i love waheguru.

Keeping kesh is a fundamental rehit in Sikhi. In Gurbani, there is tuk which states:

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ਕਬੀਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਕ ਸਿਉ ਕੀਏ ਆਨ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥

O Kabeer! When you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart. You may have long matted hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25|| [1]

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[1] - http://www.sikhanswers.com/sikh-articles-of-faith-identity/what-is-the-significance-of-hair-kesh-for-sikhs/

The above tuk implies that it does not matter if a person keeps hair or not, as long as he has love for God.

Don't you find this contradictory?

kesh is important in sikhi. keshdhari love god but there are hindus muslims who arenot keshdhari but love god love for god dosenot matter whather you are keshdhari or not.

Just to be the devils advocate what if the tuk actually means what the DDT interpreted it? Then what would you think satkiran? What if paapiman is right?

What if satkiran is right paapiman? What would you think?

This question is for both of you.

guru sahib at one palace says that soul is one i two bodies. which mean boat are at same level( becouse soul is one) and in the other bani guruji says that women should look her husband as lord then guruji is contradicting his own bani which cannot happen at any cost.

DDT never changed the tuk. That tuk has two meanings. You can't compare it with, what Baba Ram Rai jee did. The above tuk has already been discussed in the topic below.

Any other examples?

gurbani can have two similar minings but can't have two diffrent meanings. here you are doing kutark. for ex i am saying the door is half open you are saying the door us half close this is tark.

but if i am saying the door is fully open then if you will say the door is fully colse then this is a ku tark.

here to know the meaning if this tuk you have to know what guru ji said about husband and wife guru ji says two bodies have one soul. this mean husband and wife are one soul if husband an wife have one soul why wife will se her husband as lord.

Can you please provide examples?

Damdami taksal had changed the gurbani's tuk

the correct tuk is

THE ONE WHO SE LORD AS HER HUSBAND IS A TRUE SATI.

BUT DDT SAYS

THE ONE WHO SEE HER HUSBAND AS LORD IS TRUE SATI.

your damdami taksal is changing the meaning lije ram rai had changed the meaning of bani

MITTI MUSALMAN KI.

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MITTI BE IMAAN KI

changin the meaning of gurbani i wrong and many sampradayes are doing it it seems ram rai mantality is back in sikhi. Ram Rai was excommunicated from sikhi and now what to do with these people who are changing the meaning of gurbani

So, why did Baba Ghaniyaa jee not fight the tyrant Mughals, but instead served them? If there was only one maryada (for example Nihang maryada), then he would have had no option, but to fight with them.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

at that time how many sampradayes were there? if we all are a part of khalsa. and we should follow only one rehat maryada. for panth ekta we should have one maryada. all guru nanak namleva sampradayes should follow one rehat maryada belive in only guru granth sahib not in any dehdhari guru(like namdhari belive) and give women equal rights( like ddt belive that wife should bow down to her husband as god) belive in proper panj kakar ( like AKJ beliveing in keski as a kakar) should not follow hindu rituals ( like giving bali, doing arti like hindus,) shold not bow down to idols( like many siks go to hindu tempals)

i just want to say that DDT, NANAKSAR, AKJ, NEELDHARIand all the sampradayes of sikh panth should follow only one maryada becouse if there will be one maryada there will be no conflicts over rehat maryada.

having three granths is diffrent khalsa follows three granths. there are so many sampradayes in our panth with so many maryadas i want to say that all the sampradayes should follow one maryada becouse then there will be no rehat issues.

Someone can also say that we need to have only one granth. But, we have three. Not all people are of the same avastha. Therefore, at times, different level/type of instruction is required to uplift their spiritual lives.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee fateh

i want that all the sampradayes in sikhi sbould adopt only one maryada. like the RM adopted by akal takht should be followed by all the panth no other RM should be followed. Khalsa is one and should follow one RM

We do only have one Rehet Maryada. There is only one Rehet Maryada recognized by Akal Takht - the seat of Sikh authority - called Sikh Rehet Maryada.... Problem is some who didn't get their own way, went off on their own and disregard it. And they then try to force their own RM down everyone else's throats as 'THE word of Guru JI" to try and guilt everyone.

Paapiman - you just stated that not everyone needs to follow the same RM because different people require different instruction. But then, in the same breath you will usually try to shoot down whatever RM is NOT DDTs by usually adding "DDTs RM is THE RM of Guru Ji himself". And you have actively shot down SRM numerous times, even though SRM is the closest we have to Panthic RM through years of deliberation by literally hundreds of Sikhs from different backgrounds. SRM was created by removing all the 'differences' and keeping what everyone had in common as common ground. SRM was created taking all the Rhetnamas into account (including Daya Singh and Chaupa Singh) but using only SGGSJ as the end 'test' to which the finsihed product was compared. This ensured that anything in those original rhetnamas which was likely culture influence or personal opinion were removed. And only Gurbani ultimately decided the code of conduct.

I think you just hate SRM because it doesn't tell women they have to worship you as God. (BTW overwhelmingly, majority of Sikhs totally understand that in that tuk you love so much, 'she' is not speaking of physical women/wives, but of 'soul bride' which we all are, including you... and husband spoken of is Husband Lord = God).

Also something you should learn Paapiman: a TRUE leader would never have to DEMAND respect from anyone. Or ever put such a rule into writing in a Rehet Maryada... that is the sign of a weak leader. A TRUE leader, LEADS BY EXAMPLE, not by putting themselves on a pedistal above everyone else. The bigger the Ego, the harder the fall. I hope you learn that someday.

But glad that you openly stated now that different people can follow different rules / instructions so please stop trying to guilt anyone who doesn't follow DDTs RM.

Waah ji ..Maharaj di kirpa hoyi ..Kharey are kayasth i believe

no kharey belongs to tarkhan (carpenters) community also called ramgharia community.

hi i am Nikhil Singh kharey i came into sikhi about 2 years ago when i was in 9th stranded i live in dehradun famous for two things 1) basmati rice 2) ram rai ( son of shri guru hr rai) who set his dera here i love to meditate. i want to be a zoologist.

my ultimate goal in following sikhi is to merge with waheguru.

the problem with our panth is that we have so many sampradayes with diffrent rehat maryadas. our all sampradayes should follow same rehat maryada. panth should have only one rehat maryada.

on your sutak