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On 12/19/2015 at 1:08 AM, paapiman said:

Are the Amritdharis, not allowed to meet their guru or not permitted on their premises at all?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

what i had herd is that an amritdhari is not at all allowed in there dera

not 100% sure

i want to ask if any radhasoami follower is here what is so special in your gurumantra that your babaji wispers in your ears. and if you respect bani than why you belive in physical guru? why any amritdhari is not allowed at your dera which is officially registered in guru granth sahib's name? 

group or movement may be a cult if it acts in ways that are illegal or otherwise unacceptable in a civilized society.

Silly example: a restaurant that serves a perfectly acceptable, genuine tomato soup by pouring it into your lap is sociologically a cult restaurant.

An Example from religion

Christian theologians consider the Mormon Church to be theologically a cult of Christianity.

That is true because compared with historic, Bible-based Christianity, the Mormon Church rejects, changes or adds to the essential doctrines of the Christian faith to such an extend that Mormonism must be regarded as having separated itself from the faith it claims to represent, and instead having established a new religion that is not compatible with historic, Bible-based Christianity.

Yet the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) the official name of the Mormon Church claims to be not only a) Christian in nature, but also the only true expression of historical Christianity. Mormonism in reality has usurped and plagiarized Christian terminology and scriptures, creating a new religion.

Not a sect or denomination That means the Mormon Church can also not be considered a Christian denomination nor a sect of Christianity

The term sect is often used to indicate a group or movement that while still part of the faith it identifies with has doctrines or practices not in line with those of historical Christianity, but usually not to such an extend that it must be considered a different religion altogether.

From a Christian perspective that religion fits meaning #2 in the dictionary definition quoted above, since it is a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious.

In its turn, the Mormon Church likewise does its best to distinguish itself from groups that it considers to be separate religious movements even while those movement claim to represent historical Mormonism. [important: note that the term sect itself is also ambiguous, and to make things even more confusing is often used instead of the term cult.]

Yet those who deal primarily with the sociological characteristics of groups and movements usually find little to nothing in Mormonism and the Mormon Church that would cause them to apply the term cult because their evaluation is based largely on how the group or movement acts, rather than what it beliefs.

Confusion

When people use the term cult without qualifying what they mean by that word, their statements tend to cause confusion.

The term should be placed in context: XYZ is a cult in the theological sense, because. 123 is a cult in the sociological sense, because

Cult Experts

Cult experts come from a variety of backgrounds and perspectives.

While some experts who approach cults from a sociological view generally do not address theological issues, those who deal with cults from a theological perspective often also address sociological issues.

The latter is a better approach, since peoples actions are informed by their beliefs.

Cults both theologically and

sociologically

A prime example of a cult of Christianity (as defined theologically) that developed into a full-blown cult (as defined sociologically) is the Children of God, now called The Family International.

Another example of a cult of Christianity (as defined theologically) that developed into a cult (as defined sociologically) is the International Churches of Christ a notorious example of an abusive church.

The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, whose members are referred to as Jehovahs Witnesses, theologically is a cult of Christianity, and sociologically has countless cult-like elements as well.

Cults in other religions

Cults as defined theologically also exist in other religions. The definition holds, as long as a certain group claims to be part of, or representative of, a religion while at the same time violating that religions essential doctrines.

Essential doctrines are those doctrines that define a given religions basic essence. Much the same way, say, a tuna salad must include tuna, religions have basic, essential ingredients (doctrines).

Variety of Cults

Groups said to be cults are not necessarily religious.

Such is the case with, for instance, political cults (e.g. Lyndon LaRouche), psycho-spiritual or self-improvement workshops (LGAT, Large Group Awareness Training), and hate groups (e.g. Ku Klux Klan, White Supremacists)

nirankaris are cult.

Pleaseeee dont say our satguru ji used to do Jhatka(u mean killing animals).if he did so for once,then that was his kautakk.We never know why he did so.There might be a veryyyy biggg ,veryyy reasonable reason behind that.I'm not sure whether he did for once or not.but to kill animals in our usual life is definitely not what sache patsah would allow.I'm sureeeee he would be veryyy verrryy angry on our this act.No!!! This is totally rubbish for me. Sachepatsahh is giver of life..No!!! I dont believe so!!

I'm sorry!!

do you know satguru ji go for hunting

i the other therd papiman ji said that namdharis are cult can he explane me why. if they follow gurubani how they are cult?

PAPIMAN VEERJI AND SATKIRAN PENJI weather you belong to akj or ddt if you follow guru nanak dev jis teachings you are an unbreakable part of sikhi. don't called eachothers belifs as cult like we can't heard bad about guru granth sahib namdharis brothers also can't heard bad about there faith. papiman veerji AKJ also follow guru granth sahib and satkiran penji ddt are also sikhs we all are brothers please don't spred hatred.

DDT=AKJ<GURU GRANTH SAHIB= AKAL PURKH

I am not promoting any hatred. I will respect a Radhaswami, Naamdhari or a Sant Nirankari, if he is a better human than me.

The point of focus - how can a person affiliated with Naamdhari cult, who believes in a false theory - Baba Raam SIngh jee is the 12th guru of Sikhs - attain Brahamgyan? It is not possible.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

namdharis follow the guru granth sahib as there holy granth and you can't call them cult. they follow the true meaning of bani they give full respect to women they do wake up at amrit vela and do 1 hour naam simran daily and do 5 banis with chandi ji di vaar in there nitnem the follow the tru gurmat sangeet maryada. at the there head quater bhaini there is a place where naam jap proyog is done 24*7.

osho was full of kaam. he was a mentally unstable

papiman veerji but namdhari respect guru granth sahib too. i had seen thakur daleep singh ( present leader of namdhari faith[jeevan nagar] ) bow down to guru granth sahib and he is trying to unite the panth. Namdharis had given shaheedi to stop the bucherkhana which was made near harmandir sahib by britishers. they give full respect to women not like ddt.

nice words and the music is great

i think namdharis are sikhs beacouse they belive in guru nanak to guru gobind singh sahib the do follow strict instruction of there guru. they are sikhs of guru nanak but not of guru gobind singh. there is a sect of namdhari there head thakur daleep singh is trying to unite the khalsa

to get braham gian you neead a satguru who will help you. guru granth sahib (for sikh) can only help you to become brahamgiani no one else can help a sikh ( including namdhari sect, radhasoami sect) to attain brahamgian. if someone says sikh doesen't need guru granth sahib to be a brahamgiani he/she is not a true gursikh.

Yes, but the fact remains... people can reach this state independent of what granth they read, independent of even which religion they are! Truth doesn't just change. It's universal. And it's has always existed and always will. And anyone can access it... that's the point. There's no new Universal rule that has been introduced by God that says someone has to follow Sikhi and has to follow a certain sect of Sikhi to find truth. The Universal truth has not changed. What has changed is that humans were given a way that works, to access the truth in the most easy way. But it doesn't mean that other ways don't work anymore. So time doesn't matter.

If you are a SIKH follow Guru Granth Sahib, Dasam Granth Sahib, and Sarabloh Granth Sahib beacouse a Sikh can get brahamgian form this path. For a NON SIKH follow what your religon says beacouse thats there path (non sikhs path) to attain braham gian.

dhan guru nanak.

dhan guru gobind singh.

dhan shri guru granth sahib ji

If a non Sikh can attain this spiritually realized state without ever having read any of the three Granths... then yes its possible to still find this truth. The granths are there to help us, but truth is truth... anyone can find it. There are more than one way!

You are not understanding... Brahamgyani is not a label given to someone for following rules, or believing in certain books or granths, or being the head or leader of a dhera or sect. It's the description of someone who found the universal truth to existence within themselves, within everything and everyone around them such that there is no longer a difference between that person and God. If you attach rules like 'must believe in certain granths' 'must follow certain rehet maryadas' etc you are pulling what a Brahamgyani is down...

Think about it... if a Sikh has gone within themselves and fully found God... is God realized, sees ALL as ONE, espouses God in all their actions and words and thoughts, but has not read Dasam Granth, you'd dismiss them and say 'that person is not a Brahamgyani' But then... you are forgetting.. you are not qualified to declare who is or isnt a Brahamgyani! None of us are! Only the Brahamgyani can ever know!

i had said that if a SIKH wants brahamgian. for a non sikh then he she should read there books.

So, correct me if I am wrong, according to you, a person who does not believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee (utter blasphemy), can reach the state of Brahamgyan?

if sikh want to reach brahamgyan he should belive in shri guru granth sahib saccepatshah, shri dasam granth sahib ji and shri sarabloh granth sahib ji.

So, correct me if I am wrong, according to you, a person who does not believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee (utter blasphemy), can reach the state of Brahamgyan?

if sikh want to reach brahamgyan he should belive in shri guru granth sahib saccepatshah, shri dasam granth sahib ji and shri sarabloh granth sahib ji.

Brahmgiani is the conferrer of the way of liberation, the perfect being, rewarder of deeds.

Brahmgiani is the succourer of the helpless;

Brahmgiani affords protection to all.

All creation is Brahmgianis image;

Brahmgiani himself is the Supreme Being.

Brahmgiani alone is deserving of his high repute;

Of all is Brahmgiani the overlord, sayeth Nanak.

(GG, 273-74)

just say waheguru waheguru waheguru.