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Actually that is Basant Hindol Mehlaa 3 ghar 2 on Ang 1177

oops...my mistake....Maaf karna ji.....

Very nice. Cool to see Baba Ji playing the beautiful puratan Ramkali composition on the Taus...

Actually that is Basant Hindol Mehlaa 3 ghar 2 on Ang 1177

Ive heard of Mitra Piare Nu Haal Mureeda Da Kehna

but naamdhari guru, jagjit singh, alters the word of Sache Patshah Sri Satguru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj

http://www.beantpatshah.info/index.php?opt...r&Itemid=30

see for yourself

If I were to start in the alterations of bani no one is less than the other...............If you want to keep your self respect just maintain the relationship between you and akaal purkh....................

fateh sangat jio..........

I believe that haumai is the first step and ahankar is the pinnacle of haumai.

It starts with haumai ( I need a big car, I need a big house)...and goes all the way to I have a big car/house.....

this shabad is by bhagat namdev ji, in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on panna 727

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

You've touched on an interesting and sensitive subject there Amardeep.

Namdari weddings still involve a vedi viah or havan kand, where a fire is constructed according the respective tradition. The couple take amrit prepared by five Namdhari Singhs and then walk around the havan 4 times whilst the laavan are read by 7 Singhs. (If this is wrong, please add to it).

Personally I don't see a big problem with this, as the importance is on the Gurbani that is bing recited and the fire is sybolic and a traditional Indian custom. In all likelyhood, Guru Nanak Dev Ji would have been married according to his parents wishes. This would have been the case for all Gurus at least up to the point of Guru Arjun Dev Ji.

Obvioulsy at some point in history the Guru Granth Sahib Ji was introduced in place of the havan kand. From the little I have read on the subject, it was the Nirankari Baba Dayal Ji or his son Baba Darbara Singh Ji that started taking laavan (Anand Karaj) around Maharaj in the early to mid 1800's. Before and around this time Sikhs were getting married by Brahmans in the vedi viah ceremony, Maharaja Ranjit Singh is said to have done so also.

Baba Ram Singh Namdhari is said to have discussed the issue of marriage with Baba Darbara Singh Nirankari and adopted Anand, albeit around the havan.

Baba Khem Singh Bedi is to have also supported the vedi but possibly with Gurbani being recited.

Fateh Ji to all sangat..............

just a bit of notice but the laavan are not read by 7 singhs but by one paathi/granthi singh and usually there are 3 or more people sitting around as by namdhari maryada, gurbani should be read shudh and so there are always others there to assist.

As for the fire issue, the meaning behind is two - fold, one being that during the time of its inception into the namdhari fold, brahmans were always taking advantage of poor people eg...making them pay big bucks to marry their children. At that that time, Guru Ram Singh ji went against and rebelled against the brahmins and did the laavan in that fashion (with the vedi and fire) and did mass marriages so that the poor people could marry. The total cost at that time, for a marriage, was 1.25 rupees which were tied into the nuptial knot and at the end of the phere, the money was donated to gurughar.

The second portion to this is that, according to elder namdharis, the fire god is a witness to the marriage and that the marriage will not break until either one of the spouse's is absorbed by fire (ie..death of either one of the spouse).....

Hope this helps.

I'm sure thats not true, although i once went to a big namdhari smagam and all i got was that strange purple stuff those who don't drink caffeine have (ayurvedic-ish mix of stuff). not even chaa can bring ekta.

It's quite true veer.........Naamdhari's don't drink chaa because it contains caffeine (which was created by the british and naamdhari's were against the british therefore they forsake everything british. The purple stuff that you drank is known as "chaata" which is a hot chaa like drink but contains no caffeine but herbal mixture.....some nihangs drink this as well...........

sickening. These people should be beaten by shoes, get there face blackened, put them on donkeys with garland of shoes around there neck.

let's not get Vishnu Ji all angered......... :evil: otherwise he'll gather a lot of donkeys and make the shoe stores very happy..................

WB "I need weapons".

God help us.

I think that this has gone beyond God's help. Even God has given up..................

Singh sahib Ji...........

First off.....a warm waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh..........

the term ram appears in gurbani many a myriad times but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is the sargun saroop of akal purkh ji but just a reference to him as waheguru is or Allah is, or khuda, rahim...........

let's look at rehiras sahib.............

Ram Rahim Puran Kuran anek kahieaa mat ek na maneyo.........

Ramkali, mehalla 5......panna 885........

Ko­ī bolai rām rām ko­ī khudā­ė.

Some call Him, 'Raam, Raam', and some call Him, 'Khudaa-i'.

Ko­ī sėvai gus­ī­ā ko­ī alāhi. ||1||

Some serve Him as 'Gusain', others as 'Allaah'. ||1||

Kāran karan karīm.

He is the Cause of causes, the Generous Lord.

Kirpā kaār rahīm. ||1|| rahā­o.

He showers His Grace and Mercy upon us. ||1||Pause||

Ko­ī nāvai tirath ko­ī haj jā­ė.

Some bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, and some make the pilgrimage to Mecca.|

Ko­ī karai pūjā ko­ī sir nivā­ė. ||2||

Some perform devotional worship services, and some bow their heads in prayer. ||2||

Ko­ī parai bėd ko­ī katėb.

Some read the Vedas, and some the Koran.

Ko­ī odhai nīl ko­ī supėd. ||3||

Some wear blue robes, and some wear white. ||3||

Ko­ī kahai turak ko­ī kahai hindū.

Some call themselves Muslim, and some call themselves Hindu.

Ko­ī bāchhai bhisat ko­ī surgindū. ||4||

Some yearn for paradise, and others long for heaven. ||4||

Kaho Nānak jin hukam pachhātā.

Says Nanak, one who realizes the Hukam of God's Will,

Parabh sāhib kā tin bhėd jātā. ||5||9||

knows the secrets of his Lord and Master. ||5||9||

now understainding this tuk shall give you what you are searching for.........

Vahiguru ji ka Khalsa Vahiguru ji ki Fateh..........

I received this in an email and thought I may share with the sangat...........

Satkar Yog Sadh Sangat Ji

Vaheguru Ji Ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh.

It is difficult to count the blessings vaheguru has showered upon all of us.We can never repay to Guru Saheb but by leading our lives in a way shown by the Gurus we can show our humble gratitude. One significant contribution is giving our Dasvand or ten percentile of our earnings in service of Guru Ghar and panth sewa.

This is about a 150 years old gurudwara in Batwara village rural area of Hoshiarpur district in Punjab,India, which my family and our neighbourhood families have been supporting for all these years by the very few means we have.The gurudwara is made out of mud and is in a dilapidated condition which is heartening to see.

The Sangat there is not as blessed as most of us in terms of money they make. They are mostly daily wage earners but are true devotees and they maintain the activities of gurudwara with all their resources.I have been going to this gurudwara since childhood and always wanted to do my share. Unfortunately we had to struggle for a long time before we saw the dawn of financial fortune. Now that vaheguru has given me such a great opportunity I would like to invite all my brothers and sisters to help me in this Noble cause.

I am a software engineer, working for Wipro Technologies, a software company in India. Currently posted in Coca Cola, Atlanta, GA, USA.

The revered Sangat of Gurudwara of Gulf coast, in Houston,Texas, helped me raise lot of money for the construction work but it is still a long way to go. The estimated cost for the construction is 10,000 dollar.

I would like to request all my fellow gursikhs and sikhnis to contribute their daswand to the construction of this rural gurudwara.

Contact Info:

TRILOK SINGH TAKHI

Our address:

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TRILOK SINGH TAKHI,

17307, MASTERS WAY,

17307 ALPHARETTA, GA - 30005, USA

Email: triloks@hotmail.com

Contact : 404-966-8017

that's it.....................................

The dera gods are angry now.... :x ...Let the trinity unite.................

Check this video out, Reminds me of puratan Khalsa soldiers................................

The Shaolin - PT 1

The Shaolin - PT 2

The Shaolin

For N3O and sangat to enjoy................................

yes these guys are right and guru granth sahib ji can be read in front of women, especially the parts where the soul is the bride longing and awaiting the husband in bed?....!!!

I'm surprised it wasn't an ex-colonel who gave his opinion.....let them come to the dera!

Har Har Mahadev........Jai Shiv Shankar..........

Tribune India

Book released on Dasam Granth

Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, September 28

The Dasam Granth was not even authored by Guru Gobind Singh and it has nothing to do with Sikh religion.

This was stated here today by Jasbinder Singh, a Dubai-based Punjabi writer, whose book entitled "Dasam Granth Da Likhari Kaun was released here today by Dr Harjinder Singh Dilgir, an eminent Sikh scholar.

In his book Jasbinder Singh had tried to prove that this granth was written some local poets and it was not authored by Guru Gobind Singh.

Dr Dilgir while releasing the book said this was not even a religious book. It could be called at best a piece of literature, he added.

"The has such objectionable text that it cannot be read in the presence of women," he added.

Rajinder Singh, convener of the Khalsa Panchayat, said the Dasam Granth could not be equated with Guru Granth Sahib.

"A conspiracy was hatched to equate this granth with Guru Granth Sahib by certain organisations," he added.

He said Dasam Granth's original title was Bachittar Natak and it had nothing to do with spiritualism.

He said the Shiromani Gurudwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) had failed to do its duty to protect Sikh religion from the attacks of vested interests on it.

Happy Birthday N3O and Drawrof.......................

Dhan Dhan Sri Narayana.............

Dhan Shiv Shankar Maharaj, Har Har Mahadev.................

Here's the biggest Extraterrestial for You............E.T. GO HOME....................

Dera Sucha Sauda

Dear veer Cyber Singh Ji, thanks for confirming Namdhari Gur-mantar stance. I suppose using Vahe-guru in Fateh is a different matter, so thanks for pointing that out also.

Just out of interest, all the Namdhari I have spoken to and do speak to, never use Fateh as a salutation, even when I have initiated it, what do you thing is the reason for this?

What is the standard salutation used by Namdhari?

Vaheguru

Veer,

Vahiguru mantar is the highest mantar used by most puratan sampradas. Namdharis use this as their Gur-mantar jaap. As for a fateh greeting, I know that back in the olden days they used to say it and even during the British Raj when Namdharis gave up their lives when Sri Darbar Sahib was desecrated by muslims, when the butchers would throw the meat into the sarover, they had had the panj kakkars and a kirpan. The reason for the small kirpan in the kanga was so that when the british would confiscate Guru Maharaj nishaan's the namdhari's kept it so that they wuold not end up disobeying Guru Gobind Singh Ji's saroop.

As for a fateh greeting, I myself am sure of why this happened but I do know that if you read Guru Ram singh Ji's hukamnama's, in it he clearly uses the fateh. Usually, namdharis' greet each other and other people with a Sat Sri Akal.

do namdhari believe vaheguru is gurmantar?

when bhai baljit singh & bhai gurmeet singh were over they used to finish their kirtan with the full fateh.

Guv veer, you are 100% correct in that Namdharis believe with full faith that gurmantar is Vahiguru but they just don't say it out loud. Actually, all raagi's from namdhari samprada would say fateh at the end of Asa Di vaar but as far as at the end of kirtan, I'm not sure as I haven't heard it lately............ :? 8)