cybersingh

Where's the "PANTHIC POLICE" now?...................... :evil: :x

It's great to have you back veer.........Guru Meher karay sab te, khushiyaan bakshay, sab nuu chardi kala vich rakhay atay Veer Ustad Bahadur Singh vargay vidvaan pursh nuu ehni meher karay ke saday vargay kaljugi jeev nuu gurmat di sikhiya bakshay........

Oye Rabb de vaste............. meri benti sun laoo............Chatanga, you think you have a great grasp on sikh history which happens to be incorrect most of the time............I have a question for you..........

You seem to be nit-picking a lot on Namdhari's and what not........Namdhari's live by word of gurbani, amrit vele utnaa, kesi ishnaan, naam simran, gurbani paath, kirtan etc..........

Now, my question to you is namdhari's follow the hukams of their guru, Your Guru.......(no offence to anyone but this is just to make a point), Guru Granth Sahib Ji has 1430 pages telling humans to stop bickering, quarrelling, slandering, and spend more time in kirtan, naam simran etc.............How much do you follow? Do you follow your guru's hukam because it seems like you don't and you follow the "PANTHIC POLICE"........ why?.................

Oye Rabb de vaste............. :roll: meri benti sun laoo............Chatanga, you think you have a great grasp on sikh history which happens to be incorrect most of the time............I have a question for you..........

You seem to be nit-picking a lot on Namdhari's and what not........Namdhari's live by word of gurbani, amrit vele utnaa, kesi ishnaan, naam simran, gurbani paath, kirtan etc..........

Now, my question to you is namdhari's follow the hukams of their guru, Your Guru.......(no offence to anyone but this is just to make a point), Guru Granth Sahib Ji has 1430 pages telling humans to stop bickering, quarrelling, slandering, and spend more time in kirtan, naam simran etc.............How much do you follow? Do you follow your guru's hukam because it seems like you don't and you follow the "PANTHIC POLICE"........ why?.................

Fatehsingh Ji, tusi khush ho jaooo gaye.................

Actually the big deal was made out of this because it was a perfect chance for the crowd that hate Namdharis to insult Namdharis and claim that their Guru was 'decapitated' by unbinding the pages. The process of the Path never changed. Ofcourse by the time you were old enough to know things those with hate agendas twist the story to meet their immediate needs..similar distortions are quite common as previously mentioned..

To me personally I think it was an important event in history that shows us what kind of mentality people really have because it is the people from the same crowd that are today destroying the Granth Sahibs in ways that are irreversible (burning).

Bro.....I have an eyewitness update from that era which should clarify doubts unless people are too high on " Mahaparshaad", then i can't help you....LOL............

From what I have been given as info is that there is no record of any namdhari "ripping up angs of ASGGS"....Pattar Paath is when pattaray (pages) were given to the sangat as there was no binding on the full saroop. All bindings were done in Amritsar. All old saroops that namdhari's were in possession of were given at Amritsar for full sanskaar....During the 1940's era, no other publishers were allowed to print or bind saroops except for SGPC so all saroops were given to SGPC. Namdhari's that couldn't read were given small pattaray for a sehaj paath from an old saroop before it was given at amritsar to read it until they can get it kanth. if anyone can remember history correctly, was it not guru ram singh who went from home to home, took out old saroops that people had put in their bookshelves or wherever and used his own dastaar to wipe off the dust and got people to do paath from ASGGS?... is the not respect? hmmm....i don't see people these days doing this....rather they use it like a tool for business......(ie......Guru Granth Sahib campaign where people would the saroop to banquet halls etc....) I don't know of namdhari's doing this.

Before making any accusations......(ie...when you make assumptions...you always make an ASS out of U and ME...ASS-U-ME)...

always ask before making assumptions, saves a lot of headaches........

My only credible is Akali Nihang Singh Panth Budha Dal oral tradition.

chatanga

very credible............... :roll:

LOL.........news bulletin from Panthic.org and Brahmgyani 108/111 mahatapasvi Sachkhand Nivasi Shakti Shaali Maha Bali chatanga ji.....and everyone listens to them..........LOL............great.........live your life by the word of panthic.org and chatanga but not by Gurbani................

this is all BS as Fatehsingh has mentioned....From what I know and what my nana has experienced in his life, Pattra Path is when a sangat collectively does a sehaj paath by sharing pattars by each person or family. For eg. one family will say that we will do 100 angs of paath and another says we will do 200 etc..............not what these "brahmgyani's" say...one's that don't even do rehiras, chaupai, jaap, jap ji, anand sahib as prescribed by Akal Takhat as part of morning nitnem....oh well......i'm no better than RSS, ABC, OPP, XYZ...hindu paranoia........

Gurfateh Sangat Ji................

Here's some classical pics (more like paintings but almost close) of puratan raagis....................Bhai Mastan Singh, Bhai Taba ji Rababi and Ustad Udo Khan Sahib Ji........Can anyone shed some light on these souls?....

Ustad Udo Khan Sahib Ji............

Bhai Mastan Singh Ji.............

Bhai Taba Ji Rababi...............

Sangat Ji,

Gurfateh parvaan hovey sangat nuu....Here's a pic of a car in which Dhan Sant Maharaj Baba Jawala Singh Ji has ridden in. I don't know the whole sakhi behind it but if anyone knows, please post it. The driver of this vehicle was Sardar Anoop Singh Ji..........

Enjoy...............

Blah, Blah, Blah ..........this person is sikh, this person isn't..........how many times has this "discussion" went on? Let's discuss the teachings of GurBani.....isn't that what sikhi is about?........

Mehlaa 4, panna 314

updays je ditaa satguroo so suni-aa sikhee kannay.

The Sikhs listen to the Teachings imparted by the True Guru.

jin satgur kaa bhaanaa mani-aa tin charhee chavgan vannay.

Those who surrender to the True Guru's Will are imbued with the four-fold Love of the Lord.

ih chaal niraalee gurmukhee gur deekhi-aa sun man bhinnay. ||25||

This is the unique and distinct life-style of the Gurmukhs: listening to the Guru's Teachings, their minds blossom forth. ||25||

or how about from Asa Di Vaar, if you listen carefully.........

panna 465, mehlaa 1..........

sikhee sikhi-aa gur veechaar.

Contemplating the Guru, I have been taught these teachings;

How often do we do this? how often do we spend more time in Nitnem Banis and vahiguru jaap.......hardly any and yet we judge as to who is a true Gursikh and who isn't.........ask yourself this first and then speak otherwise its not worth it.............

stop being an fanatic, history is witness to this but at darbar sahib, there used to jhatka served.

Until to this day, at anandpur sahib, every holla-mohalla, jhatka is done by nihang singhs.

I know being veggie helps in many ways in meditation but gosh we are not jains (veggie fanatics) who would care go to extend banning donuts or cookies which may have egg in them.

and you be suprised but this is coming from an hard core veggie but not a fanatic one

you wahabi, RSS, IT, ET, ABC GET DOWN WID OPP YEA YOU KNOW ME................LOL..........................

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:evil: [glow=red]Lingam and Yoni in Sanskrit means the male and female sexual organs respectively. Hindus are allowed to worship anything - including sexual organs. It is not unknown for them to name their children as Shiva Lingam (God Shiva's sexual organ) or Rama Lingam (God Rama's sexual organ), (in some places in Karnataka, the gods demand both male and females to pray naked together

Pray naked together............. :shock:

whoo-hoo...........CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE?................. 8)

Dhan Dhan Garib Nawaz, satchay patshah, mehervaan Kalgidhar Pita, Sahib Satguru Gobind Singh Ji de gurpurab te sab sansaar nuu lakh lakh vaadiaay hovey.......................

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!

Dear all!

Quote from Cybersingh Jee "Well ask yourself this.....What is God?"

I asked this. No answer.

Then I asked . . . Is God One? Since then more than one answer are coming.

Quote "I say that God is one."

Is God no more dwelling in other numbers?

Quote "God is manifested in various beings-mortals, creatures but in the end we all merge back in Him."

I always thought one should die to know it. I do not know how people manage to live after merging in Him.

Quote " . . . there can be many different things but at the end, it all merges back in him."

Should people wait for God or the end? Please suggest.

Thanks for your post.

Balbir Singh

Veer Ji......Fateh Parvaan Ji...........

Since you asked the question to other as to what is God and you received no answer, that is because you ask others and seek their findings, but the thing is everyone has a different perception, what I meant to say was that, have you ever asked your own self these questions? All that you seek is contained within you so instead of asking others, meditate, contemplate on this and you will find what you are looking for.

2) Quote "I say that God is one."

Is God no more dwelling in other numbers?

God begins at one and expands into other numbers but the main focus should be at the beginning as everything starts at a certain point and then expands.

3) Quote "God is manifested in various beings-mortals, creatures but in the end we all merge back in Him."

I always thought one should die to know it. I do not know how people manage to live after merging in Him.

question? How does one die to know god? Can not a person merge into him and know? If we speak on a physical aspect, when a person dies, where does the soul go? It merges into akaal.....On a spiritual plane, if a person dies, isn't that the same as merging into him as one forgets his ownself and remembers the creator?

4) Quote " . . . there can be many different things but at the end, it all merges back in him."

Should people wait for God or the end? Please suggest.

What is the difference? isn't God the beginning, the middle and the end?

Gurfateh Parvaan Hove veer Balbir Singh Ji.................

Excellent topic that you have aroused here.........I would also like to add my two paise here..............

First, you ask is God one? Well ask yourself this.....What is God? As every religion, sect, etc....has a different perception of god..

If there is a God, is he/she/it just one or many or is it just that one's spiritual state is at a point that he/she sees God in everything...Rom Rom vich vasda nirankaar..........

I say that God is one. How so because above everything there's a higher power controlling everything. God is manifested in various beings-mortals, creatures but in the end we all merge back in Him. Just as there are many rivers, lakes, ponds, Oceans, waterfalls but they all have one commonality........It's all water and as such there can be many different things but at the end, it all merges back in him.

OANGKAR AAD, KATHNI ANAAD, KHAL KHAND KHAYAL GUR BAR AKAAL.............

There Exists only One God

New website I found as I was browsing through SikhSangat.com..........

Bhai Jawala Singh Ji on harmonium, Bhai Avtar Singh on Taoos, and Bhai Gurcharn Singh on Tabla during a Kirtan Smagam at Gurdwara Dehra Sahib, Lahore

Happy Birthday Bro..........

May Waheguru ji grant you all that you desire and more and bless you with peace, joy, happiness, prosperity and Love................

we all waiting for the actual debate video, video will give us clear picture before any one can write anaylsis on their debate.

Dhan Sri Narayan Ji.................

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=17042058814450061

On this same note, I came across this video on youtube in which a muslim cleric is saying that Muhammad's prophecy is in vedas....

Note: this is not to create controversy but just need some enlightenment from our scholar veers.

Canada sangat still has the benefit of coming to the deray wallay babbay here, sri vishnu ji, and sri brahma ji...have such tej pratap...they can make your coffee 'garam' just by looking at it....stay away from shivji though, he'll probably drink your coffee....and then give you back the cup

Dhan Triloki Nath deray wallay babaey.................

Panthic Weekly

Vancouver, Canada (KP) - The current tour of Ranjit Singh ‘Dhadrianwale’ on Canadian soil as part of his international trip has thus far been a complete flop. First visiting the Toronto area, the ‘sant’ was only allowed to do kirtan in one of the many large Gurdware in the area. In the Vancouver area, the ‘sadh’ has faced even more oppostion.

Upon discovering his plans to visit Canada, entities such as 'Sanjh Savera' and Ontario Sikh and Gurdwara Council launched a public boycott of the ‘sant’ because of his violation of Gurmat principals such as allowing followers to touch his feet, singing ‘katchi bani’, and allegedly wearing a ‘kalgi’. He is also criticized for adorning himself in Bollywood type costumes and dastars.

As many as 50 activits held a meeting in Toronto to decide how to best question and handle the arrival of ‘Dhadrianwala’, and whether he should be questioned in sangat or in a more private setting. As word spread of Ranjit Singh’s misdeeds, other groups along with the regular sangat began to join the cry for a boycott as well.

One such organization that asked for a boycott was the Ontario Sikh and Gurdwara Council (OSGC) which helps run 18 Gurdwara Sahibs in the Toronto area. The OSGC decided that the ‘sant’ would not be allowed to hold a program in any of their Gurdwaras. This decision however came a bit late as Ranjit Singh ‘Dhadrian’ had already held a small unannounced darbar at Kitchener Gurdwara which is managed by the OSGC.

The ‘sant’ also held a small darbar at a Ramgarhia Sikh Association Gurdwara in Stoney Creek. Aside from holding a program that took place at Malton Gurdwara Sahib, the other two Gurdwaras in which Ranjit Singh performed at are outside of Toronto and have very little sangat.

Following his Toronto visit the ‘sant’ also traveled to Alberta and Calgary where he faced oppostion.

Travelling westward, ‘Dhadrianwala’ arrived in Surrey, BC. The ‘sant’ performed at a darbar at the Nanaksar Gurdwara of “sadh balandpuri†on Thursday evening. As the majority of the sangat became aware of his arrival and that permission had been given to him to hold a similar diwan in Khalsa School (Surrey), active sangat members cried out forcing the cancellation of his Khalsa School itinerary.

Hundereds of protestors outside Baba's divan in Vancouver

(Photo : ChardiKala News Group)

As it was later learned the ‘sadh’ was planning to return to the Nanaksar dera at 5pm due to the Khalsa School program being cancelled. Taking note of his expected arrival, some 300-400 members of the Surrey sangat unanimously and, without prior planning, took to the streets, standing on the corner of 168th street and 88th avenue in protest of the ‘baba’ and his misdeeds.

Garland of old shoes welcomes Baba

‘Amritdhaaris’ and ‘Sehajdhaari’ alike stood shoulder to shoulder protesting for 5 hours shouting ‘jaikaareh’ and slogans such as “Dhadrianwala murdabad,†“Guru maniyo Granth,†and “Raj Karega Khalsa.†Protestors also held up photos of the ‘sadh’ which were surrounded by homemade garlands of shoes. Vehicles which passed by the protesters honked their horns in their support and of their cries for answers to the ‘sadh’s’ shady actions.

Ranjit Singh himself arrived at the dera at 8:30pm along with police escorts the latter informing the sangat that they could protest so long as it was done in a peaceful manner. The sangat obliged to the request and consequently did not enter the darbar which ‘Dhadrianwala’ held out of respect for Guru Ji and to avoid any instances of beadbi.

Media persons from stations such as channel M, and other popular Punjabi radio stations covered the ongoing events. Meanwhile inside the dera, ‘Dhadrianwala’ addressed a small gathering of only about 100 people as opposed to the 300-400 persons protesting outdoors against him.

It is alleged that ‘Dhadrianwala’ made an attempt to “clear his name†whilst in the home of the family who he stayed with as a guest in Surrey, BC.

Having been publicly rejected by the majority, Ranjit Singh cancelled programs which he had scheduled for Saturday and Sunday. It is also believed that the ‘sant’ is expected to return to the Toronto area sometime around October 9th next week.

In the wake of the recent happenings against various self-styled ‘saints,’ one thing is certain; that is the sangat has become irksome to the selfish intent and malicious affects that such individuals are having on the Sikh Panth.

Recently Mann Pehova who is accused of sexual improprieties with his female followers was given similar treatment during his recent visit to California. Worried from further opposition, the Baba also cancelled his entire August trip to the UK.

For their private gain, such self-styled santdoms and gurudoms are amassing unimaginable wealth using the Sangat’s money. It is a sign of good fortune that individuals and community leaders are taking note of the disease of santdom, and that many are taking action, demanding answers, and holding guilty parties accountable for their conduct.

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