Orchids

they r seriously trying 2 convert u

ur forgetting they call us none believers!!!!!!!!

i agree with guv. don't chain urself down with labels. find your own road to eternity.

i wouldn't call them sikhs either. why don't u find ppl who'll support u in Sikhi without looking at ur caste? why don't you try to make friends with ppl who may not necessarily be sikh but will support ur endeavours anyways? because not everyone in the world is a backstabber...

where i live they r mostly like that

friends jeolous bohat hote hai

lor nahin hai ziyada friend

mera friend waheguru hai

Im not too keen on discussing now but because you did make efforts to get in touch with me i will say this. Sikhism is something i have embraced upon myself. It is not the religion of my parents, grandparents or great parents. Great great grandfather was a Sikh and his younger brother was a baptised 'Singh'. I find it difficult to explain but basically Khatri families (Sikh-Hindu, Punjabi) seem to easily revert between the two faiths. There is no issue of marriage between the two religious groups or (for the Hindu Khatris) adoption of the others religious customs and traditions. For example, my father and two of his brothers had their naming ceremony according to Sikh tradition, hence they all have Sikh names. My father probably would be a Sikh himself had it not been for politcal/other fallouts/disturbances while he was growing up. (As a young kid he either witnessed the brutal murder or saw the aftermath inside a Gurdwara...)

Anyway... As far as being a Sikh goes i've done it all by my own initiative (learning about the faith, going Gurdwara, learning prayers, adopting physical appearance etc). Now, when you get no support or encouragement for what you do, and instead you get put down infront of your face, give up things you enjoyed doing, coupled with rough patches in life, why do you bother carrying on with an uphill struggle?

Whether it is fair to myself or to other Sikhs or not, i cant help to feel sometimes that past few years i really have wasted. What could have been best years of my life (socially) i threw away in a sense by adpoting a religion.

Recently im gone back into bad habbits so have failed really at what i started out on.

Islam is very appealling to me for reasons i choose not to share and yes i have many Muslim friends who have made this interest possible. To you this may look like brainwashing of someone who is not in a right state of mind but to me, you have to know me to know why i am not being brainwashed or anything. It is just an interest, which can lead to more if i want it.

As far as my converting, it has not happened. Instead i started to attend Gurdwara again after some persuasion from collegues of mine i have met online and from one girl who i know from my local Gurdwara. Whatever i grew to dislike about Sikhs previously is not really an issue now and actually i feel good being around Sikhs.

Sikhism im still convinced is the most practical, logical and tolerant faith that exists in this World. Not sure what else to add... Im just sorry if it offends anyone but despite saying the above i have not lost any interest in Islam. However there are some good-hearted people here who have made me realize not to just give up or base my judgements on non-issues. Why i have re-joined this forum now is because of that reason. I am someone who has learned alot from this site and i am not ashamed to say it. Infact i am coming to rely on this site as my only real contact with Sikhs since there are none in my everyday life...

Ok, i agree with that.

But, i equally agree with jtSingh's post...

i understand even i have been looked down upon by sikhs....... but i wouldnt convert to another religion..... i have no friends because all they do is backstab you... the sikhs that i know they believe in caste and say i am a low caste but i cannot really call them sikhs since they follow caste.. what have ur muslim friends said 2 u that made u want to convert?

which words of wisdom have they put across to you that made you want to convert? which bad habits have u gone back 2? i can only assume gambling or smoking but i wont make any judgements... you are a human being are in control of ur life and u have the option to turn it around....

wjkk wjkf

found some links for u

http://www.sikhe.com/gsdno/events/june2001...onationcamp.htm

i found the following info on this website http://www.sikhwomen.com/health/care/protocol.htm

General Beliefs and Practices (Individual Practices May Vary)

· The sanctity of life is an injunction. Human life is of the highest form.

· Blood transfusions are allowed.

· Assisted suicide and euthanasia are not encouraged.

· Maintaining a terminal patient on artificial life support for a prolonged period in a vegetative state is not encouraged.

· Organ transplantation, both donating and receiving, is allowed.

· Autopsy is permitted.

· Artificial reproductive technology is permitted only during the span of an intact marriage between husband and wife.

· Genetic engineering to cure a disease is acceptable. To date, Sikhs are opposed to human cloning.

· Abortion is not advised except for medical indications.

· Male infants are not circumcised.

would this be classed as seva?

i 2 dont know what sikhism says... but i think it would be regarded as seva which is such a wonderful deed

okies

when i msgd u i asked why u wanted 2 convert... if u dont mind me asking why did u want to convert? because of ur peers?

we kicked moghuls off their feet:)

may i ask what jahan means?

or does it stand for shah jahan?

in more detail

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/sikhism.htm

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/sikhism.htm

read that..

there was no such thing as athiest soceity!

also the dude ali or whatever his name is.. is so wrong look at his reply

hi

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how did loads of ppl sign up for this?

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Then it is time for you to kill the god you created.Follow Satguru Nanak Nirankar, not the god you created.

nirankar meaning?

sorry for the topic i wasnt thinking straight in college.. maybe my prayers are heard.. is it too much to ask to be reunited with a loved one...

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i give up

god doesnt listen 2 me

Chill out Orchids man, leave the judging to rab.

Gurfateh

Harpreet

yes but

he is promoting this video, and also nationalist did u know all non muslims are kaffirs according to muslims these days

that was some essay

im kinda tired of u posting stuff like this.. and ive seen in previous posts that you put "kuda afiz" at the end of ur sig.. and i believe it was u that wanted 2 convert 2 islam... i dont get people like u, this stuff should be banned! and then u give me attitude by not responding 2 my pms.. make up ur mind after knowing what the moghuls did to us u still wanna convert? thats very bad on ur part

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

let no man stand in me way

sikhi pride flowing through my veins

sikh till i die

may waheguru bless the victims of 9/11

Orchids, this thought just occurred to me. What were you doing on a musalman website like that in the first place? :?

i was referred 2 that site by some1

anyways.. i was in talk with a muslim today he said that he follows baba farids teachings and he asked me if guru nanak was muslim.. i said he was not..

im tired of these tactics used by muslims, just because there is writings by muslim scholers in the SGGS, they use it to try and tell us how great islam is.. i told him straight im proud of my religion.. i could have debated with him but i didnt see the conversation going any further as he would deny a bunch of things.. yes i did tell him everyone is equal in the eyes of god, god doesnt care which religion any1 is!

peace

not really.. but why go outside with ur kesh loose?

i mean if someone is killed.. like say in a war...

if innocent people are killed... what will happen 2 those innocent people

hi

god created space and time..

technically if we are moving forward all the past must be located somewhere... if we travel faster then the speed of light maybe we could reach another time demension?

any1 have a theory on time travel?

hi

if somebody is killed, or something

what would happen to their soul?

hair should be kept clean, i dont think many people leave their kesh out.. unless they r children ? ive seen lots of people in india roaming around with their kesh loose...

no it was in the UK

the bus driver also told me my address, before u ask no he did not know me personally before he met me on the bus...

come on guys

two different astrolegers told me the same thing..

im starting to get worried.. who in their right mind wants two marriages

greetings

quite a while back a pundit read my hand, he stated that i was to have 2 marriages when he read my hand, recently i went on a bus, the bus driver had a long conversation with me.. at the end of the stop when everybody got off the bus he read my hand and said exactly the same thing.. that i was to have two marriages

what do u make of all this?

our destiny is written on our hands?

why do you want to give up meat?

is there any need or special medical circumstance?

because as far as I know in terms of Dharma there is no nedd to give up meat....it's personal choice at the end of the day

im putting on some weight..

what good is killing an animal that god sent? and then eating it?

i wish i had stopped when i was young..