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12 minutes ago, amardeep said:

I dont know if I believe there are any spiritual teachings to be deduced from the Charitro Pakhyan. It's a sansaari bani and is known in the tradition as such.

Hehe bhul chuk maaf but I think this is the 405th Charitar, the missing one, which is being played on the reader

39 minutes ago, paapiman said:

 

22 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Anthriv Arths

• The police can possibly represent the Jamdoots of Sri Dharam Raaj jee.
• The lady (as discussed above) can possibly represent God or Jeev Aatma (which is part of Parmatama)

 

What can the four men represent? 

• There are four types of desires - Kaam, Arth, Mokh and one more.
• There are four types of Muktis - Sameep, Saroop, Sadhuj and one more.
• There are four Khanis - Andaj, Jayraj, Saytaj and Uthbhuj

 

Any connections?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Could also mean two pairs, like Janam/maran and Harkh/sog

Also there is this Salok of Bhagat Kabir Ji

ਕਬੀਰ ਏਕ ਮਰੰਤੇ ਦੁਇ ਮੂਏ ਦੋਇ ਮਰੰਤਹ ਚਾਰਿ ॥ਚਾਰਿ ਮਰੰਤਹ ਛਹ ਮੂਏ ਚਾਰਿ ਪੁਰਖ ਦੁਇ ਨਾਰਿ ॥੯੧॥

You could check an old sampardayi teeka about what '4 purakh' means

8 minutes ago, paapiman said:

 

From the above two, it is possible that the lady is actually representing God (Anthriv Arths).

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes, definitely. Just goes to show how deep this Bani really is and how mistaken people are when they just choose to ignore it

14 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, Anuraag can also mean Particles of love. Anu (particle) + Raag (love). 

The Syed and Sheikh represent Sato gun, while the Mughal and the Pathan represent Rajo gun.

Any connections?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

'Anu' probably doesn't mean particle because the Sanskrit for particle is spelled as ਅਣੁ while the Anu in Anuraag is ਅਨੁ which means "following" or "after"

Every detail is important so the different persons representing different gunas is certainly possible

24 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, do you know the difference between Raaj kala and Sehaj Kala?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Raaj Kala probably means an attitude, mental formation related to power or authority

8 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

Interesting. What does the escaping part mean to you, concerning yoga?

I think it basically means that the Hatha Yoga method can at best lead to a temporary state of Sehaj

Begin by paying attention to the name of the woman in question --'Sehaj Kala'. Sehaj means intuitive, non-dual state of mind. We are all familiar with Yogic practices involving bodily postures, the yogi does something similar in this Charitar. First he somehow gets hold of Sehaj Kala and then confines her to a specific place with a single opening ( upar haat, haat par ala, ale bhitar thati--from SGGS, the yogic confluence of ida, pingala and sushuma has been described thus), but all this is forced, a result of stubbornness and not really by the blessing of Akal Purakh, so inevitably a more deserving character comes into the picture and Sehaj Kala is herself attracted towards her and escapes with him even as the yogi is doing his usual rituals

The woman is named Anuraag Mati. The word 'Anuraag' means attachment, 'Mati' means mind, IMO the Charitar is talking about how the mind attached to vikars and sensual pleasures is deceptive and brings only shame, so much so that those possessed of such a mind have to spend their life hiding and in fear, eventually such a mind puts such people into the clutches of death.

WJKK WJKF

I will make an attempt (i'm sure not very good) at trying to get into the antriv arths of the Charitar. IMO the treatment which the fake Vaid gives to the lustful/sinning man is similar to what fake mayadhari gurus do to their disciples. They shave their hair, make them beg, wear torn clothes etc all in the name of curing their spiritual ailments. In other words fake gurus have complete license over their followers whose mind has no bibek and is caught in the web of and attachment to Maya (represented in the Charitar by the women named Zainabdi, Zainab means a fragrant flower). "Tridokh' or triple disease is a concept in Ayurvedic medicine but here i think it represents the suffering produced by the three gunas of prakriti/maya, which create division between us and Akal Purakh.

Bhul chuk maaf