Dalvir

wow, truly moving. If only such Sikhs were still alive that would be great. i believe there are, but not a lot of them

yea, i liek the picture. does anyone think that the giant pic of Guru Ji is Hazoor Sahib is the one that was drawn according to Sant Ji????

i was told that Guru Hargobind Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji had only one wife, who had many names. Also, since some of the women liked to stay with Guru Ji people thought that Guru Ji got married again, ...and again. also, my grandma being taught in a Gurdwara said that Mata Ajeeto, Mata Sundri were not married because they wanted to stay in the Charna of Guru Ji. BUT this is a big but, ive also heard that Guru Ji wanted to teach Aurengzeb a lesson that he isnt God by telling the oppressed people what they can and cannot do by going aganst his order that non-muslims can only have 1 wife, whereas muslims can have 4 or more (i dont recall) and having 3 wives.

But in conclusion, i dont really know...

oh my lovely monai friends don't worry i love u. u have me.

lol

"Many sikhs are just anti muslim full stop, due to moghuls, afghans etc... and after 1947 and 1984 we've become anti hindu too, we need to get out of this mentality"

true, that is a fantastic line.

thats very interesting and also true, we shouldn't get too greedy, greed is bad.

that's an interesting article. I wonder myself. But I have a question, why is there version of the execution of Guru Ji, different from what the majority of other Sikhs believe in?

yea, i know what you mean Sandeep, we need to realize Sikhi, and do our best to ensure that future generations can realize what Sikhi is.

nope, sry man. w

this is complete bs, like f*ck!!!!

thanks for the article, i think this article is so true, its all because men want to look like women, have a "clean" appearance, and women are trapped in the hair removing industry. i dont have anything against hair, hair looks cool. men look more masculine, and females look more feminine.

ouch ouch ouch! i can feel the burn all the way over here! sssssssssssssssssss... can u hear the sizzle?!

come on kids. let's all play nice!

lol. lets

... i dont know why there are poelpe out there that do this. :x

what a stupid site.

ummm......N3O?

why do your avatars involve some naked dude either walking around or flying around?........... :?

its kinda disturbing.............. :shock: :? :|

good point, why is this?

lol

This is why I disagree with the quoted statement, as it is too simplistic. Therefore I would conclude the notion of 'sin' is a man made concept very distant from the theology of 'God', however it is a simple way of explaining deeper understandings of concepts such as Karam, Dharam, Duality and ekta

explain, how is this simplistic. and also how is 'sin' a man made concept when as my father has said, its in Gurbani, and Gurbani clearly states that those that go against religious teachings are sinners, an example being, eating halal meat.

yea, nice story.

I read something attributed to Nietzche which i'll attempt to paraphrase here from memory,

our debt to our ancestors grows with time, the need for us to sacrifice for the sake of the tribe and the ancestors increases until the ancestors transform into god. In which case we can never repay the debt because their legend is of monstrously proportions.

Forgive me, if i've missed important parts of the message or if i've misquoted.

My question is this. Have our gurus become into gods? Has the debt of the countless sikhs who sacrificed and sacrificed through the years grown to a monstrous stature. Do we view our ancestors as super human - as heros who cannot be touched, and who make us appear weak and insignificant in comparison? Do we not revere our gurus and their sikhs as though they are fantastic immensely powerful overlooking figures.

I think if you accept this hypothesis then it means our religion has basically expired. We can never come close to representing our historical brothers and sisters. We cant even imagine making an impact like they did, or even contemplate coming close to performing their feats and sacifices.

Is sikhi dead because it leaves behind a beautiful, perfect footprint which can never be matched and thus us comtempory sikhs are resigned to a fate of insignificance? Sure that doesnt have to be that way. But i think, because we have the shadows of our ancestors watching us, we will pale into insignificance. Indeed, i think we have already.

The sikh 'religion' might live on. But it will be just like all the other religions. It will be of hypocrisy, a tool for glueing societies the way the elite and powerful want them. Sikhi simply wont have the revolutionary social focus behind it. It wont be about spiritual things, it will be about religious things.

I wonder.

no, i dont think so. The Guru's never called themselves God at all, thus stating that they aren't God, but simply Devotee's of God. also, Sikhi isn't dead, the fllowers are dead, we simply call our selves Sikhs with no emotion or pride, we dont live by the standards of Sikhi anymore. yes, some or many sikhs still are true devotees as we've seen in our past, but to me i dont think there are any true believers. Yes there are amritdhari Sikhs, but from what ive seen/heard they aren't true Sikhs. They cuss, some eat meat, some drink alcohol (they cant be amritshari's then after drinking), etc. Sikhi will always live (as you've said so), the beauty of it will, but the followers wont, unless we unite together like in the past and love ourselves, God, our religon, the Guru's, and everyone else in this world. No, we shouldnt consider ourselves insignificant at all, we are all equal, but our deeds on this earth will judge us, they will make us higher or lower, the sins we do, the love and help we give, i think all play a factor in us being considered insignificant or not. I Know that we as Sikhs can restore our old greatness, its just a matter of time, once we realize who we are, once society chanegs soo much that we need to return to our old selves, to have an identity. i think u may be right when u say

Sikhi simply wont have the revolutionary social focus behind it. It wont be about spiritual things, it will be about religious things.

Sikhi needs to stay spiritual, other religions are about how to live ones life on earth, what to do, fasting, pilgrimmage, there just simply isnt a lot offered about spirituality, but Sikhi is there to give it to us and we need to realize this. i hope Sikhism doesnt become what all the other religions have become as time progress, but it seems like it has. (no offence to anyone just stating my thought)

i dont htink hate is a good thing at all, yes it may physche u up and everything, but it still isnt a way to be a devotee of God, etc.

what is sin?

how does it relate to karma?

in my opinion, sin is somehting that we are not allowed to do, because religion has said that we cant, or the prophet(s) have said we cannot. it related to karma because as we know karma is what one has done is their past life that influences us in this life, so what i mean is that if we were just good in our past life, then that indirectly states that there was sin, and thus in our new life, we are good BUT there will always be that something we did our past life that makes us sin. This may have sounded confussing, but its what i intrepret as sin relating to karma.

wow, thats inspiring. i dont no what to say. yea, i think what Sadmin said is true, let him come here and share his experiences with us.

hey NEO, taht was just awesome man.

thx man.

thanks for the site brother. I went there and I'm ordering. Thanks once again.

Dalvir, the shabad seems to be about respecting women.

as for referring to all of humanity as brides/women and God as the husband/man, it's a metaphor for the love and devotion we should feel for God, not how to align our social relationships.

so i guess i don't know what you mean, dalvir and drummer boy.

i can see that that shabad can be used as a metaphor, but also just dont look @ a shabad as 1 thing, there's always a deeper meaning. as i intrepret that shabad i think of 2 things, the shabad respects women, and its also a HINT to us humans as to how we should live (man with women, NOT man with man, or women with women)