vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh

Dear Bro Singh47,

forgive das for any misunderstadning but what das wanted to say was that page number was not OK and verses have ben brokne while it may have other meaning.

Even if you see Sarblho Granth of Budhadal version which is takne from Hajur Sahib Beer as per translator

you will be surpried to knwo another thing.

In Amrit Kirtan we have

Jab Lag Khalsa Rahi niara,Tab Lag Tej Diyon Mai Sara

Jab Eh Gaye Vipran Ki Reet,Mai nan Karon in Ki Parteet

is also not in Sarbloh Granth.

first line of this verse is from Mangal Prakash and Second line does not exisit and can be dervied as such.

Jab Lag Rahit Khalsa Niara,Tag Lag Deho Tej Mohi Sara

and after any verses in Mangal Praksah we have

Chhorh Shaster Vipran Ki Rees

Bhye Gati Inki im Tees.

Das may not be wrting exactly but thing here is both talk aomsthing in future what will happen to Panth.

It ends as Parbrahm Guru Nanak Sakhi.

Das any way requests sangat to explain the meaning of word KalamSaru,what does it means?

In Version of Bro Singh47 it is Uch Kul Mas Abhakat manang but in Budhadal version we have term Kalamsharu in there,What does it means as meani g of it is not in Budhadal version also.Kindly help das in it.

Das did read Nirankar Su Roop but in versdion of Brother Singh47 Ji it is Shiv Swaroop.

So kinldy do not lcok it and let us have more info.

Gurfateh

Dear Bro Singh47,

At present sarbloh Granth das had is with his Shaster Vidiya Ustad as per Budhadal version,there is nothing as such say page 255 yet das will have relook at it.

anyway As(Swrod) Uoch(high) Kul(all/Dynansty) Maas(Meat/Month)Abhakat(unedaible) Mannan(g)(Behold/Proud).So kindly try to understand it.

Coming to Sikh soources,Baba Banda Singh Ji did lived life of Sikh for sometime but his end came as he forgot the worship of Guru Panth.

His contempory scriputre could be Mangal Prakash and later one could be book by Bhangu both books are by Singhs and before the Britisher's coming.

His conduct gives us the leson to always respect the Panth.

Gurfateh

We have to act like Dog,a carivore to never leave the house of Master ie Akal.

Gurfateh

Bro,

Das would like to add over here that do not think that those who do meditations or move for higher stage are nessary veggis.

We have many Sufis or Shias and in the concpet of Haqqah and Fanaha.

likewise when we have Sanjankirya.org online we will see that non veg eaters also do meditate.

In our Nirmalas in history there have been Mahapurush who started to kill animal after reaching high avastha.

High Avthsa is that our mind dies so spirit is over and only soul ie Akal ie there(all of these are realtive terms and absolute is Akal).

So what6 about trecnhliesing or stunning the animal before killing as mcdolands do,then they are killed while they are in vegtable state?

Dr J C Basu made a machine,in which it was tested that respiration(oxygen in and carbon di oxide out) rate of Plant incresed when ever danger came near to it.It may not have nerus system but enzyems work over there.

Das has killed the animals and did ot felt any diferrance betweeen say choping chicken or say cutiing reddish.In fact das knows an example that during Id Ul Azah,when his god grandfather(not real one but just deemed)who is kureshi Muslim,He had a lamb and told lamb that you are gooing to be sacrifed to Khuda(Allah),Lamb lied dowen.

so Bro/sis,in case Plant does not react and animal reacts,that does not make any sense that animal needs to be saved and plant needs not because plant may react which we mmay not notice,and while killing animal with humane way animal till last will not know that it going to be killed.

As you still are there with sense of guit in your actions,so that needs to be upgraded to higher state or Avstha,where Akal self in you kills animal librates the spirit and killer is same and killed is same.

There is verse in Guru granth Sahib in Siri Rag.

Akal is Fisherman,Akal is angel and Akal is Fish.

So body is mere one form and body of animal killed is another form and action alsoare realtivie.We are no one to show compassoin.

Try to kill goat or say pig with Jhatka methood and you will uniderstand that in our case animal does not get to pain or time to think as we severe the spine from brain.In west only after painkiller blodd is drained out.

Lastly by your point is it OK to beat unconsious man as that man does not react and not OK to beat concious man?

Say if we see compation,one one side we have man we are to kill with five senses and muscles OK so can resists the killing but think of the man with 5 senses OK but mucles prarlysesed so he may see and feel daeth but will not resists,is not that more pityfull for Man in vegitable state tom be killed and is not that more cowardly for the killer?

Das is aware that we have andaj,Jeraj,Setaj and Utbhuj as mentiooned in Guru Gurbani but reperesting whole creation of life as one,do we have right to fool ourselves by bringing in Duja bhav to difernetiaites about them?

anyway Das aprriciate you sense of compassion but we are no one to do compassion,if we have to anything then we will be reborn.

Gurfateh

Is it so that we are not arose sexualy say when we see a Hindu lady in saffron say in saintly clad,or Say Muslim lady in niqab or say Sikh lady in Keski? Just asking veiws?

But what should the kman wear that Lady is not arose to see him?

Gurfateh

Dear DSG,

do you not have sense of guilt when you kill those livng beings which can not even run or make noise to defend themselves ie Vegitables.

till we have concept our doiong something,this our will let us have ego and we will behold ourslef as doer.We will be reborn.

sin and good things or Karmic priclple of deeds has nothing to do with Gurmat as akal only does everyhitng.

Gurfateh

If das is not mistaken first time term Khalistan was used in the British era by Arya Samji Brahmin Bhai Paramanada,who was from the family of Bhai Matidas.

Das could say that better name will be Singhsthan ie land of Singhs or lion.

Well Punjab is Farsi name and Kalistan is Aribic Khalis and Turkish Stan name.

We better try to make all Hindus as Singhs and let Hindustan be Singhsthan.

We must not forget to take support of Hindus who are baout 45% if we have to remane Punjab.

Gurfateh

Das retruned from Haridwar on monday perhaps Hemkunt Sahib will open in 5th June.

As bro Tsingh Ji have told you.Once you reach rishikesh you must visit Nirmal Ashram otherwise just at place perhpas just before Laxman Jhola on way to Hemkunt Sahib,we have a big Gurudwara for the trevellers.

Further up in most of the towens you may see Gurudwaras on the road.

Das is oblivous about Gurudwara Sahib of Srinagar.

Gurfateh

Mother of Amitabh Bachham had name Teji Suri,which is khukhrain Khatri and nothinbg to do with Bedis.

He was student of Kirorimalo collage of Delhi and freind of accunitnce of das,who himslef(accuhnitntnce)of Khukrain Khatri.

Bro Amritpal Singh Ji can put more light on Khukrains.

In frinter regeon at one time only Hindus with two

caste were left ie Mohiyal Brahmins and Khukrain Khartis.So Hindu converted to our faith are mostly from that ancestors.While we could have Sayyads whi converted to our faith from the same regeon.

Gurfateh

As per verse unto Tenth Master in Sarbloh Granth,There is no differance between me(Tenth Master),Them(Khalsa) and that(Akal).

Khalsa is avtar of Kaliyuga(Sau Sakhi).

Gurfateh

Bro!

Das will call you soon.Perhaps das could have been area where celluler do not work.

Tommorw das will call you after reaching Haridwar.

anway so far no lady has gone into trouble by marryinh idiot like das.

Gurfateh

Bro!

Das read an interview of Puja Bedi d/o Kabeer Bedi and Protima Bedi,who told that she is 17th Genration of Guru Maharaj.She could be wrong anyway.

but Mother of das and his maternal uncle knew Kabir Bedi,when he was in collage.

His father was a sikh in railways perhaps and mother was english lady.He later joined boloywood and went to hollywood.

Gurfateh

family of kunwar Mahinder Singh

Bedi is in Delhi.

he was from the family of First master and a great Urdu poet and shcolar in Islam.

If you see film Man Jete Jagjeet in punjabi,in which hero is late Suneel Dutt as a dacoit who later get refromed.

We have a Sikh as DIG,he is no other then same Kunwar Sahib.

and then Puja Bedi Khan is also from Gurus family.

anway Tenth Master said.for thses sons(Khalsa) or offspring,ie sacrised four sons,if four die no matter as millins are present.

Gurfateh

http://budhadal.com/history.htm

das read a term imposter mebbed into Guru Panth Budhadal by sgpc,who is he?If Bhai Balveer Singh Ji?

Is B

Gurfateh

Das here any wants tomake another question?

which Body?

Is That Sthula sharir or human body or Suksham Sharir or Spirit(Mind with Soul)?

If we stillhave mind with us then we still have one layer of Body with us?

As Bro Amritpal Singh Ji are reader of Patanjali Yog Sutra,Das would like read his views.

Gurfateh

Yes Das understood,what BroSaid.

In Delhi,his Dera is in Karala.

Das anyway respectthis Mahapurush of Tantra Vidya.

Gurfateh

Bro,Das thinks he is from Bhopal and in north Delhi ,he had a camp some years before.He has some place in Kohat enclave and some village sounding like starting from owrd K das forgot the name.

Gurfateh

Das can read Farsi but manuscript can be sometime difficuklt to understand,Das can underastand from first script.

az an rooz ie frim that day..

Das will do tranlnation after day or two.

this is Kadeemi Farsi ie old Farsi,while das is gardde 3 upto in modern Farsi yet das will do it Akals willing.

It is say ing that from day they started to wear Blue dress in Khusbhakt rai thing.

Das will put more things soon.

Gurfateh

Nib on the tip of pen to write.

As one scholar said that letter of Bhai Mani Singh to Mata Sundari was writtan in pen with nib regarding the finding of text by Tenth Master and compilation of Dasham Granth and at the time of Bhai Mani singh Ji,nib was not invented.

another Sikh(undergoing training in Amabala form an Niuhng of Budhadal) told to das ,that Guru himslef had invented Nibs and are kept in Paonta Sahib and Guru did let them be used other then queel or something like feather to write.

Gurfateh

Vally of flower is ahead of Gobind Dham.It is ussaly opened in june,it is on differnt way ahead of Gobind Dham.

there are some others Vallys also but are towards Badri Nath.

Yuo will find an information centre about vally at Gobind Dham.

There is a Gurudwara in Haryana called Kapal Mochan near Paonta Sahib.

There are historical Gurudwaras in Karnal(manji Sahib),Kurukshetra(Sixth Master) ,Ambala(Panjokhera Sahib) and Chandigarh(Naddh Sahib).

But it willd epedn that which route you may take.Within Paonta Sahib,we have many Gurudwras.

Do inform Das if we have Nibs made by Tenth Master kept ovwer there along side weappons at Paonta Sahib.if they are there then it may means that Guru invented nibs and not germans people to write.

Gurfateh

Das bows head to great Singhs Bhai Javanmard and Singh47 to give such and enlightened thought.

Das realy agree to Bhai Javanmard that we need to manitan some decorum as just with all nonesense we may becaome like those types of Hindusim,who are prode to accociate jainsim,budhism and charkvak philosophy as thtier religeon while these threes are more a living scinces then faith.

Das can say that it could be wrong say if someone being Amritdhair say wahiguru while cutting hairs or smoking.

Das again thanks you for such a guidance and das agreees that his Grandmother needed to be more mature but she was after all a Hindu.

Das anyway saw one of his late Hindu reative,who had realtion with some Sikh Sants of Patiayala,Das was hindu at that time.

He use toread Gurbani without covering the head and often use to smoke cigraate.What should be stand of das if he sees such thing again in future?

Gurfateh

In old version we have thing writen which was stated that Dasham Granth was work of Guru and his poets,which is missing at present.This is good thing.

Gurfateh

Yes is true as das did read Gatka as thier martial art.

Das also sees meantion of Budhdal from the time of Nawab Kapur Singh and before heads were beheld as Head of Khalsa Panth.

Gurfateh

budhadal.com has been updated but das could not get the name of Jathedar Baba Surjit Singh ji there and not could he get Name of Baba Teja Singh Ji Nihung of UK.[web:65a349ccbb]http://budhadal.com[/web:65a349ccbb]

Gurfateh

Can we say that some Shias are real Sunnis(ie correct on sunnat ie code as er Acts of Rasool Akram Sal al Lahe Wa Wassalam in his life ?).